The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

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you sure about that?

actually same time with frank, I switch between them depending on what point i'm trying to make.

As for publicus...i think this years course is better suited to strong TTers than last year. There are 3 mountain top finishes two aren't too long, and a longer TT. I expect Armstrong with team support to be right about where he was this time...still not challenging contador. So i guess if your standard of competitive is challenging for the win, no he won't be competitive. I would class pushing for top 5 competitive.
 
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actually same time with frank, I switch between them depending on what point i'm trying to make.

As for publicus...i think this years course is better suited to strong TTers than last year. There are 3 mountain top finishes two aren't too long, and a longer TT. I expect Armstrong with team support to be right about where he was this time...still not challenging contador. So i guess if your standard of competitive is challenging for the win, no he won't be competitive. I would class pushing for top 5 competitive.

Fair enough, but this is about Armstrong and his self-defined expectations. His expectation is to compete for the win. If he scales back his ambitions between now and then, then I'll reassess him based on the scaled back expectations. Until then, he sees AC as his competition and thinks he can win.
 
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Fair enough, but this is about Armstrong and his self-defined expectations. His expectation is to compete for the win. If he scales back his ambitions between now and then, then I'll reassess him based on the scaled back expectations. Until then, he sees AC as his competition and thinks he can win.

Silly individual...armstrong not you. I expect it's going to be Ullrich vs Armstrong 2005. Only Armstrong won't be playing Armstrong. Very early on it will be obvious to all that carrying a few extra pounds through march is not a good idea, in 2005 it was obvious from the prologue.
 

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Stephen Roche sums it up well:

SR: Well, once again we are forgetting that there is no contest. I think Contador himself knows that there is no contest. You and me and the general cycling public know that there is no contest. Armstrong is going to be there all right, he is a force to be reckoned with, but on a one-to-one it is difficult to beat Contador.

I think that with Contador at the Criterium International, Armstrong won’t like it much if there is much of a gap between them. At the same time, he will say that his preparation is for July, not for April. So Armstrong will get out of it in some kind of diplomatic way. But I can’t see things happening any other way [than Contador being better].

I believe the fact that Contador is coming to the Critierum International is also because he has great form at the moment. Coming into it with a good chance of winning the race means it is one race up on his stats as well. It is also showing Armstrong that he is there. It is going to go a lot in Contador’s favour.

The thing is, Armstrong is so media-intelligent that no matter what happens at the weekend, he will talk his way around it and make us believe again whatever he says. But we all know he is going to be limited. He says it himself that this year is for Livestrong.

He has a great team around him, and Contador doesn’t have a great team. But if we have Caisse d’Epargne and other teams riding the same way as they rode in Paris-Nice, then Contador will go very far.

I don’t know if there was an agreement in Paris-Nice, or if Caisse d’Epargne really believed that they could blow out Contador at a good stage. But riding on the front they way they did it was ridiculous.
 
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I'm going to toss out something random and avoid the clinic aspects of it. Back when I was an Armstrong fan, I read some of Carmichael's books. The process of Lance getting down to Tour de France weight really bugged me, as it goes against conventional wisdom and common sense, and it was being set up as a model for other athletes to follow. Of course, I recognize that the whole story could be BS. But I remember it saying that he timed his training, and I believe went something like five hours afterward without eating, etc. Now everybody knows that you start carbs & a bit of protein immediately so your body can rebuild for next time.
Anyway, last year he had the big muscular body, and if he was lean for the Tour Down Under, I imagine he got that way old school, by cannibalizing muscle. Then when he let himself get back up to, or above, the weight from a year ago, way more of it would be body fat like we saw Saturday. It seems especially odd since Allen Lim worked just with him for a few months.

I think the big problem is that for three years of retirement it was like a combination of a victory tour and a life resembling Paris Hilton's. Companies flew him on private jets to five star hotels, gave him a big ego boost, & paid huge money for him to speak and meet & greet. He dated Kate Hudson & the Olsen, with paparazzi everywhere. He hung out with Matt & Jake (I'm not being familiar, I can't spell their last names this early in the morning).

So for three straight years it's the celeb, entitled life, with daily ego boosts, etc. Then he came back, and felt entitled to the same entitled treatment from the pro cycling world. Add in twitter, where he can say anything and have hundreds of people immediately blow smoke at him. He treated Team Astana and the TT wheels like Gollum taking the ring his brother had found - it was his birthday, it should have been his, so he took it and damn the consequences.

I think he finally got a glimpse of reality when he stepped off the course in Ireland with thousands of fans waiting in the rain at the top of the climb. Suddenly people expected him to actually do stuff - to follow through.

As someone stated yesterday - seeing him keep teammates with him as he fell off the back was really annoying, even though they all should have known what they were in for when they moved to Radio Shack. I think it was around mid-February when I first said in a comment at Bicycling that he won't be at the Tour de France. Hopefully he'll wake up and smell the coffee soon so that his team can regroup and add to the level of competition, if they're invited.

Hopefully people will look back now and see that the whole "rivalry" was just him spouting lies and nonsense and people printing it because he's a celebrity.
 
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Publicus said:
Yep. If he and Bruyneel had just kept quiet, played coy a bit, there wouldn't be these expectations. Hell he's listed his weight as 71kg! Has he ever weighed that little post-cancer? But that's what he's put out there and that's what he has to live with.

Frankly, I don't see him being competitive at the Tour. He's 38. He can't do it like he use to, that's just part of the game of life. He's enjoying the trappings of being a wealthy, ambassador of the sport, while operating under the guise that he is still an active professional cyclist. I don't see him reverting back to the lonely, solitary life of a professional cyclist. That's just my opinion, I could definitely be wrong

Bring back the old Publicus. This delving into reality will threaten the entertainment value of this forum. Back to Scotty beaming down the wonder drug and the teleportation of BB's from Dr. Who. Next will be talking about Ashenden being on the losing side of the SCA promotions theatrics and what that can do to a good man's soul. Just go back to pretending it's not all in the books already and that you have carte blanche to write the script that archaeologist will use as the gold standard to define the LA era in coming millennia. There is no shortage of great scripts here by your fellow compadres to give you inspiration and give others a chance to escape from the real world into fantasyland.
 
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SpeedWay said:
Bring back the old Publicus. This delving into reality will threaten the entertainment value of this forum. Back to Scotty beaming down the wonder drug and the teleportation of BB's from Dr. Who. Next will be talking about Ashenden being on the losing side of the SCA promotions theatrics and what that can do to a good man's soul. Just go back to pretending it's not all in the books already and that you have carte blanche to write the script that archaeologist will use as the gold standard to define the LA era in coming millennia. There is no shortage of great scripts here by your fellow compadres to give you inspiration and give others a chance to escape from the real world into fantasyland.

Very impressive Speedway, 166 posts and not one has added anything to the discussion. You would think that you would slip up once but 0-166 takes effort and focus.
 
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Very impressive Speedway, 166 posts and not one has added anything to the discussion. You would think that you would slip up once but 0-166 takes effort and focus.

Please, show some sympathy. Life has been hard for some since 'he spins around faster and he reconnoiters the mountains' has lost its shine.
 

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Jonathan said:
Please, show some sympathy. Life has been hard for some since 'he spins around faster and he reconnoiters the mountains' has lost its shine.


Not sure what you mean - "lost it's shine"

The "spins faster" and "reconnoiters the mountains" and "weighs his food" will continue to shine for decades and decades and decades to come. Lucky there are videos and written facts to preserve the shinyness.

And even now he continues to shine as "Old Man Rider" who manages to compete with the top riders who are much younger.

After the OldManRider shine is added to the legend, I would expect him to build a legacy as a Team Boss along the lines of Cyrille Guimard. If anyone can beat Bruyneels record of GT leadership victories - it would be Lance:)

Then in another 20 years or so - he can become an announcer on Versus!


RadioShack Attack March 2010 - Lean and Mean:
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SpeedWay said:
Bring back the old Publicus. This delving into reality will threaten the entertainment value of this forum. Back to Scotty beaming down the wonder drug and the teleportation of BB's from Dr. Who. Next will be talking about Ashenden being on the losing side of the SCA promotions theatrics and what that can do to a good man's soul. Just go back to pretending it's not all in the books already and that you have carte blanche to write the script that archaeologist will use as the gold standard to define the LA era in coming millennia. There is no shortage of great scripts here by your fellow compadres to give you inspiration and give others a chance to escape from the real world into fantasyland.

I miss the green avatar...would you consider bringing it back so there will be something interesting about your posts? Oh, and they have this thing called "spell check" now, it just came out a couple of months ago. Check it out, all the cool kids are doing it.
 
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I'm a little confused about Lance saying the reason he did the Criterium is because he's "always wanted to go to Corsica". Is it now Lance the tourist and not Lance the perfectionist anymore?
 

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Christian said:
I'm a little confused about Lance saying the reason he did the Criterium is because he's "always wanted to go to Corsica". Is it now Lance the tourist and not Lance the perfectionist anymore?

Remember he's doing it for "them". Whilst "them" are lying in hospital beds he's travelling the world going to exotic places like Corsica on a private jet so he can raise awareness for "them". And because he always wanted to go there.
 
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Remember he's doing it for "them". Whilst "them" are lying in hospital beds he's travelling the world going to exotic places like Corsica on a private jet so he can raise awareness for "them". And because he always wanted to go there.

As Toto has pointed out, he must be tired and need a rest. He is carrying the hopes of millions on his back after all. Poor guy...no wonder he has been eating a bit too much. Carrying that many people on an empty stomach can't be done.
 
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As Toto has pointed out, he must be tired and need a rest. He is carrying the hopes of millions on his back after all. Poor guy...no wonder he has been eating a bit too much. Carrying that many people on an empty stomach can't be done.

If he wins this Tour I wonder if he'll write a book about how he overcame obesity, start an obesity charity and tour the world raising awareness of obesity. Better make sure those wristbands aren't edible though, nom nom nom nom nom.
 
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I miss the green avatar...would you consider bringing it back so there will be something interesting about your posts? Oh, and they have this thing called "spell check" now, it just came out a couple of months ago. Check it out, all the cool kids are doing it.

Which words did your spell check have problems with - of, old, and, do, to, go? You better tell your "cool kids" you hang with to pay attention in school and ditch the spell check. There's still hope for them.
 
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Race Radio said:
Very impressive Speedway, 166 posts and not one has added anything to the discussion. You would think that you would slip up once but 0-166 takes effort and focus.

Glad someone's keeping count, thanks. I value consistency over what you and yours call "discussion".
 
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If he wins this Tour I wonder if he'll write a book about how he overcame obesity, start an obesity charity and tour the world raising awareness of obesity. Better make sure those wristbands aren't edible though, nom nom nom nom nom.

ha :D :rolleyes:
 
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SpeedWay said:
Which words did your spell check have problems with - of, old, and, do, to, go? You better tell your "cool kids" you hang with to pay attention in school and ditch the spell check. There's still hope for them.
SpeedWay said:
Bring back the old Publicus. This delving into reality will threaten the entertainment value of this forum. Back to Scotty beaming down the wonder drug and the teleportation of BB's from Dr. Who. Next will be talking about Ashenden being on the losing side of the SCA promotions theatrics and what that can do to a good man's soul. Just go back to pretending it's not all in the books already and that you have carte blanche to write the script that archaeologist will use as the gold standard to define the LA era in coming millennia. There is no shortage of great scripts here by your fellow compadres to give you inspiration and give others a chance to escape from the real world into fantasyland.

...not a word......that is unless you happen to be referring to this place...and then you should capitalize it. Better luck next time Einstein!
 
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SpeedWay said:
Glad someone's keeping count, thanks. I value consistency over what you and yours call "discussion".

The period goes inside of the quotation marks, not outside. Dang...
 
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