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Berzin said:
You can be a fanboy all you want. But your reasoning is ludicrous.

I never recall Evans being there when it mattered in those mountain duels between Contador and Rasmussen.

No one spotted Contador those seconds. He EARNED them by being a better rider than Evans, whether you like it or not. Whether you care to admit it or not.

Oh, I forgot who I was talking to-

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All of the following questions are rhetorical.

Who am I a fanboy of?
Did I say Contador didn't earn the win?
Did I say anybody spotted him time?
How the heck is stating a opinion (self-identified subjective) trolling?

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According to some on this thread, if you don't hate Lance Armstrong with every bit of energy in your soul, or you don't agree that Lance Armstrong is the Antichrist of cycling and the worst thing ever for the health of cycling in the history of cycling, or if you can't turn every thread in the forum no matter what the subject into an anti LA diatribe, you are a fanboy, brown nosed, troll.
 
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According to some on this thread, if you don't hate Lance Armstrong with every bit of energy in your soul, or you don't agree that Lance Armstrong is the Antichrist of cycling and the worst thing ever for the health of cycling in the history of cycling, or if you can't turn every thread in the forum no matter what the subject into an anti LA diatribe, you are a fanboy, brown nosed, troll.

Even if you have those opinions in tepid, wimpy versions, you are still a useless fanboy brown nosed troll.(I didn't use commas because that is a proper term by itself) Sucks to be you.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
Even if you have those opinions is tepid, wimpy versions, you are still a useless fanboy brown nosed troll.(I didn't use commas because that is a proper term by itself) Sucks to be you.

Nice reply. 100% as expected. :)
 
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Nice reply. 100% as expected. :)

Yea, there was nothing surprising about your post either. I guess we are in a rut sweetie. Hey, I saw some really nice things in the Victoria's Secret Catalog, how about you spruce yourself up and show me a good time. Might liven our conversation?
 
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Hinault and Lance are clinic material, Greg and Alberto are clean

Polish, Hinault was "clinic material" but Alberto is clean? Hinault won everything, starting when he was a teenager. His V02 Max was 93. 93. Not guaranteeing he was clean, but the man had as much or more talent than any bike rider in his time or any other. He was just about as good as Merckx.
 
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9000ft said:
According to some on this thread, if you don't hate Lance Armstrong with every bit of energy in your soul, or you don't agree that Lance Armstrong is the Antichrist of cycling and the worst thing ever for the health of cycling in the history of cycling, or if you can't turn every thread in the forum no matter what the subject into an anti LA diatribe, you are a fanboy, brown nosed, troll.

Are you ever going to add something substantive, in relation to cycling, or are you simply going to give post after post telling us how we are all haters? Is this post above the sum of your efforts on this forum? Do you have any evidence, links, knowledge about cycling, or cyclists to add? Deconstruct our arguments maybe.......
 
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Six hours of riding around Austin Texas is better preparation for winning an 8th TdF than racing Amstel Gold.
 
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Six hours of riding around Austin Texas is better preparation for winning an 8th TdF than racing Amstel Gold.

Particularly when you tweet a photo of yourself on said ride looking chunky again. Too much Tex-Mex food?
 
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9000ft said:
According to some on this thread, if you don't hate Lance Armstrong with every bit of energy in your soul, or you don't agree that Lance Armstrong is the Antichrist of cycling and the worst thing ever for the health of cycling in the history of cycling, or if you can't turn every thread in the forum no matter what the subject into an anti LA diatribe, you are a fanboy, brown nosed, troll.

I'm tired of some people holding up every negative, selfish, self-serving, smarmy, disingenuous act by Armstrong as being heroic because of what he had to overcome.

That's what I'M tired of.

His father sounds like a terrible guy. Just like many fathers out there. Is this yet another excuse for his behavior? Did it feed his maniacal drive to be the best?

This Shroud of Turin the fanboys cloak him with is despicable.

And people are tired of it. There is an excuse for EVERYTHING he does. Well, some of us aren't blinded by the exalted adulation and this macabre need to hold this guy up as a hero.

Wanna see a guy who was a winner and handled it with class? Miguel Indurain. You do not have to be like Armstrong to be a winner in life. You don't have to make enemies along the way to success, real or contrived.

He drops out of the Ardennes Classics because he's afraid of being humiliated by the very rider he did everything in his power to undermine in last year's Tour but he's a hero because he did it to spend time with his kid at some soap box derby.

He shovels the bullshyte and the fanboys go straight to the trough and bury their faces in it every time like zombies racing to feed on the first warm body they come across.
 
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Berzin said:
I'm tired of some people holding up every negative, selfish, self-serving, smarmy, disingenuous act by Armstrong as being heroic because of what he had to overcome.

That's what I"M tired of.

His father sounds like a terrible guy. Just like many fathers out there. Is this yet another excuse for his behavior? Or is it just his maniacal drive to be the best?

This Shroud of Turin some of you fanboys cloak him with is despicable.

And people are tired of it. There is an excuse for EVERYTHING he does. Well, some of us aren't blinded by the exalted adulation and this macabre need to hold this guy up as a hero.

Wanna see a guy who was a winner and handled it with class? Miguel Indurain. You do not have to be like Armstrong to be a winner in life.

I genuinely can't think of another champion with as little class over the years. From Merckx to Hinault to Lemond, Fignon, Roche, Delgado, Indurain etc etc, not one has shown as much ignorance and arrogance as Lance - to the press, to his compatriots and to the fans of the sport. Lets leave out the doping for a moment and focus on just one specific example. Look at the way he tried to diminish Sastre's 08 win, basically saying that the race was of a poor standard ('it was a joke' apparently)- so he not alone gets Sastre, who never did anything to Lance and is a guy who has served his dues, with that comment, but the whole race. Classy. And CVDV did not escape either, "Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!" And the reality is that with the way Alberto is winning since Feb of this year, last year and the previous year, he is showing real class in how a champion rider should behave and carry himself. Unlike Lance who appeared out of nowhere each June. That's not a cyclist, that's a tour de France rider. There's more to cycling than July. I wouldn't even say Alberto is a favourite rider of mine, but he handled himself well last year, and did absolutely nothing wrong, in the face of intimidation from within his own team. That 'war of words' was started by Lance during Paris Nice of last year, perpetuated by Lance during the Tour, and carried on further in the Autumn in conjunction with JB. Alberto - in fairness to the guy defended himself by stating the issues he experienced with the wheels.
Classy work by Lance also to castigate a whole nation of people - saying that the French anti-doping movement was a 'witch-hunt'. Also stating that he feared for his safety. "It's a strange climb ... long but not very steep, so you can keep 30, 40, 50 guys, and they can take shots at you from the back.” What a load of absolute tripe. But he used the French to feed into this myth in America that the French are jealous. Funny how they had no issues with Lemond, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Pantani. "I'm thinking of returning, as it's the best way of pi**ing the French off."
Lance, during the soccer World Cup, said that the 'French players tested positive for being a**holes'. To the Lance fans this seems to be hilarious. Again, what exactly did the French soccer players do to Lance?
He has called David Walsh a 'f***ing little troll', 'I hate that guy', 'gutter journalism'. Le Monde is 'tabloid thrash' apparently. By the way, to Walsh's credit, he replied that he didn't hate or dislike Lance, and that he even understood why he doped. Said that Greg was drunk during the phone call, thus adding fuel to the fire that Greg had a drink problem - something which seems to have been started by the Lance PR machine.
And it's true what one poster above has said. The Lance fans just keep batting away every shred of evidence which could be construed as negative, with not one bit of logic. Doping - no conviction they say, witchhunt, jealousy, Greg is jealous, people trying ot make money off my name, Betsy has an axe to grind, samples were spiked ("There's a setup here and I'm stuck in the middle of it,”) he lost weight, changed cadence, Ferrari tested body fat, changed focus.
Scumbag - all top sportsmen are this way.
Scumbag - look at his upbringing and his father
Womaniser but pretending to be the loving husband - good for him to be able to get these women.
Bullying other riders - all champions behave this way.
Profiting from cancer awareness - entitled to make a living ("The riskiest thing you can do is get greedy." (See picture below) I think most people would agree that 2m dollars for less than a week is greedy (TDU), but the Lance fans seem to have a different moral compass.

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And the final one, when all else fails - Why don't you save your energy from hating Lance so much and get off your fat a**es and ride. The intellectual equivalent of telling someone to look over there and to run off in the other direction.
 
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Well I'm out of breath after reading that! As it happens I agree with just about all of it but Berzin take a chill pill man:cool:

I know though, that you know, that Berzin the Giro winner was also one of the biggest frauds of the peleton at the time.
 
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Digger said:
I genuinely can't think of another champion with as little class over the years. From Merckx to Hinault to Lemond, Fignon, Roche, Delgado, Indurain etc etc, not one has shown as much ignorance and arrogance as Lance - to the press, to his compatriots and to the fans of the sport. Lets leave out the doping so and just one specific example. Look at the way he tried to diminish Sastre's 08 win, basically saying that it was poor standard - so he not alone gets Sastre with that comment, but the whole race. Classy. And the reality is that with the way Alberto is winning since Feb of this year, last year and the previous year, he is showing real class in how a champion rider should behave and carry himself. I wouldn't even say Alberto is a favourite rider of mine, but he handled himself well last year, and did absolutely nothing wrong, in the face of intimidation from within his own team. That 'war of words' was started by Lance during Paris Nice of last year, perpetuated by Lance during the Tour, and carried on further in the Autumn in conjunction with JB. Alberto - in fairness to the guy defended himself by stating the issues he experienced with the wheels.
Classy work by Lance also to castigate a whole nation of people - saying that the French anti-doping movement was a 'witch-hunt'. Also stating that he feared for his safety. What a load of absolute tripe. But he used the French to feed into this myth in America that the French are jealous. Funny how they had no issues with Lemond, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Pantani.
And it's true what one poster above has said. The Lance fans just keep batting away every shred of evidence which could be construed as negative, with not one bit of logic. Doping - no conviction they say, witchhunt, jealousy, Greg is jealous, Betsy has an axe to grind, samples were spiked, he lost weight, changed cadence, Ferrari tested body fat, changed focus.
Scumbag - all top sportsmen are this way.
Scumbag - look at his upbringing and his father
Womaniser but pretending to be the loving husband - good for him to be able to get these women.
Bullying other riders - all champions behave this way.
Profiting from cancer awareness - entitled to make a living

And the final one, when all else fails - Why don't you save your energy from hating Lance so much and get off your fat a**es and ride. The intellectual equivalent of telling someone to look over there and to run off in the other direction.

I am going to bookmark this page because that is one impressive synopsis of the whole Uniballer issue. Thanks man, that was fantastic.
 
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Thoughtforfood said:
I am going to bookmark this page because that is one impressive synopsis of the whole Uniballer issue. Thanks man, that was fantastic.

+1. Nothing else for anyone to say... except maybe Thread closed!
 
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To Hibbles and TFF, thanks for those words, but I added in a few other things I felt backed up my point. Cheers again.
 
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Digger said:
And the final one, when all else fails - Why don't you save your energy from hating Lance so much and get off your fat a**es and ride. The intellectual equivalent of telling someone to look over there and to run off in the other direction.

Excellent post, but I would add another favorite accusation that gets tossed out on occasion, a rant meant to stymie all further questioning of "The Myth" -

"What have YOU done for the cancer community?"

Hysterical if it wasn't so pathetic.

ferryman said:
I know though, that you know, that Berzin the Giro winner was also one of the biggest frauds of the peleton at the time.


One of the biggest frauds? First of all, and forgive me for taking this thread off-topic for a second, but that has nothing to do with me admiring his style and position on the bike. As for what Berzin did or did not do, let me remind you who was the team doctor at Gewiss during this time-yes, the same guy Armstrong hired to a non-compete clause, Dr. Michele Ferarri.

This was AFTER Ferarri was fired by Gewiss and after he made his infamous statements about EPO being no more dangerous than orange juice.

Yes, this is the doctor you want associated with your climb to Tour prominence.
 

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I genuinely can't think of another champion with as little class over the years. From Merckx to Hinault to Lemond, Fignon, Roche, Delgado, Indurain etc etc, not one has shown as much ignorance and arrogance as Lance - to the press, to his compatriots and to the fans of the sport. Lets leave out the doping for a moment and focus on just one specific example. Look at the way he tried to diminish Sastre's 08 win, basically saying that the race was of a poor standard ('it was a joke' apparently)- so he not alone gets Sastre, who never did anything to Lance and is a guy who has served his dues, with that comment, but the whole race. Classy. And CVDV did not escape either, "Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!" And the reality is that with the way Alberto is winning since Feb of this year, last year and the previous year, he is showing real class in how a champion rider should behave and carry himself. Unlike Lance who appeared out of nowhere each June. That's not a cyclist, that's a tour de France rider. There's more to cycling than July. I wouldn't even say Alberto is a favourite rider of mine, but he handled himself well last year, and did absolutely nothing wrong, in the face of intimidation from within his own team. That 'war of words' was started by Lance during Paris Nice of last year, perpetuated by Lance during the Tour, and carried on further in the Autumn in conjunction with JB. Alberto - in fairness to the guy defended himself by stating the issues he experienced with the wheels.
Classy work by Lance also to castigate a whole nation of people - saying that the French anti-doping movement was a 'witch-hunt'. Also stating that he feared for his safety. "It's a strange climb ... long but not very steep, so you can keep 30, 40, 50 guys, and they can take shots at you from the back.” What a load of absolute tripe. But he used the French to feed into this myth in America that the French are jealous. Funny how they had no issues with Lemond, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Pantani. "I'm thinking of returning, as it's the best way of pi**ing the French off."
Lance, during the soccer World Cup, said that the 'French players tested positive for being a**holes'. To the Lance fans this seems to be hilarious. Again, what exactly did the French soccer players do to Lance?
He has called David Walsh a 'f***ing little troll', 'I hate that guy', 'gutter journalism'. Le Monde is 'tabloid thrash' apparently. By the way, to Walsh's credit, he replied that he didn't hate or dislike Lance, and that he even understood why he doped. Said that Greg was drunk during the phone call, thus adding fuel to the fire that Greg had a drink problem - something which seems to have been started by the Lance PR machine.
And it's true what one poster above has said. The Lance fans just keep batting away every shred of evidence which could be construed as negative, with not one bit of logic. Doping - no conviction they say, witchhunt, jealousy, Greg is jealous, people trying ot make money off my name, Betsy has an axe to grind, samples were spiked ("There's a setup here and I'm stuck in the middle of it,”) he lost weight, changed cadence, Ferrari tested body fat, changed focus.
Scumbag - all top sportsmen are this way.
Scumbag - look at his upbringing and his father
Womaniser but pretending to be the loving husband - good for him to be able to get these women.
Bullying other riders - all champions behave this way.
Profiting from cancer awareness - entitled to make a living ("The riskiest thing you can do is get greedy." (See picture below) I think most people would agree that 2m dollars for less than a week is greedy (TDU), but the Lance fans seem to have a different moral compass.

lance-armstrong-pad.jpg


And the final one, when all else fails - Why don't you save your energy from hating Lance so much and get off your fat a**es and ride. The intellectual equivalent of telling someone to look over there and to run off in the other direction.

Sooo.....what are you saying exactly?

Lance needs a pool in his backyard?

Maybe a doggie run back there?

I suppose you 're right....

You have to wonder how many people are getting paid by Lance to
keep that spread mowed and blowed. No wonder some old team mates
from the "million dollar triple crown" days feel shortchanged.

The gardeners are getting paid more.


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Interesting post.

I think part of the problem is that Armstrong comes from a country thats not a cycling nation at heart. Most of his fans are not cycling fans from the perspective that they don't follow cycling its more that they follow Lance. They don't watch cycling they just like reading about Lance sticking it to the Europeans. The catch here is that he can make up any story he likes and it sounds plausible because most of his fans haven't seen the race or witnessed the way he's behaved. When he gets dropped by 6 minutes on a mountain stage in a low key race he just references "preparation" and "build-up" and they eat it up. When he does actually win which he's done nothing of recently they remark on perfect preparation and build up. If Armstrong was Italian or any from European nation there is no way he could behave the way he does. He wouldn't get away with it being from any other country.

What I find most strange about the man was his speech on the podium in 2005. After 7 straight Tour wins and the French breaking tradition by allowing the winner to speak he took it as an opportunity to take a swipe at just about everyone. It had to be the crassest victory speech in history of the sport. The subsequent events in 2006 just made the speech even more strange. It would have been a wonderful opportunity to thank those who made him a very successful sportsperson and thank the race and the country but didn't. He choose to beat up on everyone. He should remember that the "yellow" he stole for his Livestrong brand belongs to the Tour. But lets not thank them.

The comeback speeches were equally bizarre but from a different perspective. The Catlin program, the "I'm not taking a salary" and "this one's on me", along with "this ones for them" etc. etc. etc. were sickening. Nothing wrong with earning money and that what we expect but to pretend its something different and worse still to pretend that the entire comeback 2.0 is about "awareness" and "charity" is just plain deceitful.

However nothing surprises me about this man anyone. Win, loose or draw I'm sure come Tour time the marketing strategy has all been worked out and ready to be deployed. I'm unsure just how much of the media is willing to buy it this time around. Time will tell....

One final point. Everyone knows from top professional to weekend racer that if he you haven't done much training or the right kind of training you don't perform at the highest level. So when Armstrong starts attacking on mountain stages or keeps up with Contador at the Tour we really have to ask a question - How is this possible considering the preparation?

Digger said:
I genuinely can't think of another champion with as little class over the years. From Merckx to Hinault to Lemond, Fignon, Roche, Delgado, Indurain etc etc, not one has shown as much ignorance and arrogance as Lance - to the press, to his compatriots and to the fans of the sport. Lets leave out the doping for a moment and focus on just one specific example. Look at the way he tried to diminish Sastre's 08 win, basically saying that the race was of a poor standard ('it was a joke' apparently)- so he not alone gets Sastre, who never did anything to Lance and is a guy who has served his dues, with that comment, but the whole race. Classy. And CVDV did not escape either, "Christian's a nice guy, but finishing fifth in the Tour de France? Come on!" And the reality is that with the way Alberto is winning since Feb of this year, last year and the previous year, he is showing real class in how a champion rider should behave and carry himself. Unlike Lance who appeared out of nowhere each June. That's not a cyclist, that's a tour de France rider. There's more to cycling than July. I wouldn't even say Alberto is a favourite rider of mine, but he handled himself well last year, and did absolutely nothing wrong, in the face of intimidation from within his own team. That 'war of words' was started by Lance during Paris Nice of last year, perpetuated by Lance during the Tour, and carried on further in the Autumn in conjunction with JB. Alberto - in fairness to the guy defended himself by stating the issues he experienced with the wheels.
Classy work by Lance also to castigate a whole nation of people - saying that the French anti-doping movement was a 'witch-hunt'. Also stating that he feared for his safety. "It's a strange climb ... long but not very steep, so you can keep 30, 40, 50 guys, and they can take shots at you from the back.” What a load of absolute tripe. But he used the French to feed into this myth in America that the French are jealous. Funny how they had no issues with Lemond, Indurain, Riis, Ullrich and Pantani. "I'm thinking of returning, as it's the best way of pi**ing the French off."


And the final one, when all else fails - Why don't you save your energy from hating Lance so much and get off your fat a**es and ride. The intellectual equivalent of telling someone to look over there and to run off in the other direction.
 
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BroDeal said:
Questions about Demand Media that might be answered in its run up to its IPO.

http://paidcontent.org/article/419-what-questions-can-we-expect-answered-in-demands-s-1/

Paid content is one of the better industry sites there is. If they are asking "How much stake does Lance Armstong own in Demand" then it is much more then the "Haters" asking about this possible conflict of interest.

they have raised $350 million. This certainly caused a large amount of dilution. If Armstrong's stake is even 5-10% then his percentage when he initially received the stake was indeed "Significant"
 
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thehog said:
Interesting post.

I think part of the problem is that Armstrong comes from a country thats not a cycling nation at heart. Most of his fans are not cycling fans from the perspective that they don't follow cycling its more that they follow Lance. They don't watch cycling they just like reading about Lance sticking it to the Europeans. The catch here is that he can make up any story he likes and it sounds plausible because most of his fans haven't seen the race or witnessed the way he's behaved. When he gets dropped by 6 minutes on a mountain stage in a low key race he just references "preparation" and "build-up" and they eat it up. When he does actually win which he's done nothing of recently they remark on perfect preparation and build up. If Armstrong was Italian or any from European nation there is no way he could behave the way he does. He wouldn't get away with it being from any other country.

What I find most strange about the man was his speech on the podium in 2005. After 7 straight Tour wins and the French breaking tradition by allowing the winner to speak he took it as an opportunity to take a swipe at just about everyone. It had to be the crassest victory speech in history of the sport. The subsequent events in 2006 just made the speech even more strange. It would have been a wonderful opportunity to thank those who made him a very successful sportsperson and thank the race and the country but didn't. He choose to beat up on everyone. He should remember that the "yellow" he stole for his Livestrong brand belongs to the Tour. But lets not thank them.

The comeback speeches were equally bizarre but from a different perspective. The Catlin program, the "I'm not taking a salary" and "this one's on me", along with "this ones for them" etc. etc. etc. were sickening. Nothing wrong with earning money and that what we expect but to pretend its something different and worse still to pretend that the entire comeback 2.0 is about "awareness" and "charity" is just plain deceitful.

However nothing surprises me about this man anyone. Win, loose or draw I'm sure come Tour time the marketing strategy has all been worked out and ready to be deployed. I'm unsure just how much of the media is willing to buy it this time around. Time will tell....

One final point. Everyone knows from top professional to weekend racer that if he you haven't done much training or the right kind of training you don't perform at the highest level. So when Armstrong starts attacking on mountain stages or keeps up with Contador at the Tour we really have to ask a question - How is this possible considering the preparation?

What do you know about his preparation? I am actually a bit curious about that, because as of now, his traning, and I quote (some random member at CN), "seems to be all over the place". So if you have any further information about how his traning is going, please speak up.
 

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thehog said:
I think part of the problem is that Armstrong comes from a country thats not a cycling nation at heart. Most of his fans are not cycling fans from the perspective that they don't follow cycling its more that they follow Lance. They don't watch cycling they just like reading about Lance sticking it to the Europeans. The catch here is that he can make up any story he likes and it sounds plausible because most of his fans haven't seen the race or witnessed the way he's behaved.

That doesn't explain why he is so popular in Europe and Australia.

Most big stars in all sports have lots of groupies and haters. It just goes with the territory. If the internet was around in previous years than there would be a similar groups. It's just easier to access it all now.
 

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Pure and simple.

The basic reason people dislike Lance is because he is winner

The basic reason people like Lance is because he is a winner.
 
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