The Official LANCE ARMSTRONG Thread 2010-2011

[Berzin]

I wear a bracelet to support the efforts against cancer, but am still a realist. I would say anything top 10 for his age, and the level of competition expected, would still be pretty impressive and would be happy as a fan.

If you really want to support efforts against cancer, take off that stupid, useless, meaningless bracelet and go to your local hospital and volunteer a few hours a month at the children's cancer ward.

Dress up as a clown and do a few tricks for the kids. Not only will you actually be doing something substantial, you'll quickly come to learn how little this man means to the REAL cancer community who struggle with this on a daily basis in relative silence and obscurity.

 

[El Oso]

If you want a laugh, look at the poll on my cycling club's website.

Has Armstrong even raced Roubaix at least once in his career?

No, he hasn't. But in Road to Roubaix he says its one of the biggest regrets of his career

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

If you want a laugh, look at the poll on my cycling club's website.

Has Armstrong even raced Roubaix at least once in his career?

I put a fourth vote in for Tex - cuz I could.

 

[Hugh Januss]

I put a fourth vote in for Tex - cuz I could.

I think he has still got a chance, Phil and Paul said so.

 

[Bag_O_Wallet]

A fair assessment. I think he needs to outperform expectations to claim the moral victory (in the name of cancer awareness and the myth). 7th would be a good result, but I wonder what his diehard zombies would REALLY think of 7th? Not the forum spin, but sincerely in their hearts.

No doubt the bracelet wearing dilletantes won't care and see it all as a win regardless.

I think the spin will be a second straight grey jersey.

 

[eleven]

you'll quickly come to learn how little this man means to the REAL cancer community who struggle with this on a daily basis in relative silence and obscurity.

It takes a special level of hate to say such an absurd thing. I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

 

[alberto.legstrong]

It takes a special level of hate to say such an absurd thing. I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

I hate Armstrong. There I said it. But yes, you are right, to deny that he has some role in giving people who desperately need hope, hope, then you are sad and deluded.

BTW, if being exposed to hateful posts and blogs is a serious problem for you, then I would advise you to be very careful of the sites you visit on the internet. It's not limited to one or two people, it's rampant. I think it's the actions of people who feel powerless/disenfranchised in a non-violent way.

But compared to the actions of mobsters in the wake of Asheville NC's mayday celebration, dealing with verbal/forum hate is a price so small to pay it's beneath noting. Or would you rather have something like that in your town?

 

[Race Radio]

It takes a special level of hate to say such an absurd thing. I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

You are about to get schooled again eleven.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

It takes a special level of hate to say such an absurd thing. I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

No, not really. I've lost my dad, two uncles, grandmother to cancer, and my aunt was just diagnosed as well.

I don't think in the grand scheme of things Armstrong means a whole lot. There's no question that he has provided a lot of hope of recovery to a lot of people, but I think Berzin's point that a lot of people struggle with this horrendous disease in obscurity is a valid one. I think the biggest beneficiary of the Livestrong campaign has been Armstrong himself, quite frankly. If Armstrong's return were really about helping those with cancer, it would look nothing like its current form. Nothing.

Group rides with fanboys? Great for your ego. Not so great for fighting cancer. Team in-fighting? Hmmm, no. Want to really help the fight against cancer, reach out to Contador, the Spanish media, everyone who will listen. Talk about health care reform.

 

[eleven]

No, not really. I've lost my dad, two uncles, grandmother to cancer, and my aunt was just diagnosed as well.

I don't think in the grand scheme of things Armstrong means a whole lot. There's no question that he has provided a lot of hope of recovery to a lot of people,

"I don't think in the grand scheme of things Armstrong means a whole lot."

try telling that to the ones to whom he has "provided a lot of hope"

but I think Berzin's point that a lot of people struggle with this horrendous disease in obscurity is a valid one. I think the biggest beneficiary of the Livestrong campaign has been Armstrong himself, quite frankly.

What's the problem there? That's true of anyone who starts a foundation with their name attached to it. It has a dual purpose. That dual purpose doesn't impact its ability to be effective - and in fact, the dual purpose is in part what makes it effective.

If Armstrong's return were really about helping those with cancer, it would look nothing like its current form. Nothing.

What would his return look like if it was about helping those with cancer?

Want to really help the fight against cancer, reach out to Contador, the Spanish media, everyone who will listen. Talk about health care reform.

Why would reaching out to Contador and the Spanish media further cancer research? And as for speaking out about health care reform generally and cancer funding in particular, well, surely you are aware he has spoken out quite often about the need for more cancer funding and such?

 

[eleven]

You are about to get schooled again eleven.

Yet more meaningful responses, Race Radio. Always a joy!

Have you anything of meaning to contribute?

 

[Berzin]

No, he hasn't. But in Road to Roubaix he says its one of the biggest regrets of his career.

I thought Caitlin was the biggest regret of his career?

 

[Race Radio]

Yet more meaningful responses, Race Radio. Always a joy!

Have you anything of meaning to contribute?

I was just stating the obvious.

Berzin has been rather candid about his own struggles with cancer, his voluntarism. He is also very knowledgeable about charities.

He has educated several clueless fanboys to reality. You are welcome to engage him on the topic if you like, I am just trying to save you more embarrassment.

 

[eleven]

I was just stating the obvious.

Berzin has been rather candid about his own struggles with cancer, his voluntarism. He is also very knowledgeable about charities.

We're not talking about the charities involved. As a matter of fact, if you'd actually read what I write you might see that. Here, let me help:

...I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

He has educated several clueless fanboys to reality.

Well, I'm certainly not clueless. And I'm not much of a fan. On a list of riders, he wouldn't make my top 10.

 

[Race Radio]

We're not talking about the charities involved. As a matter of fact, if you'd actually read what I write you might see that. Here, let me help:

Well, I'm certainly not clueless. And I'm not much of a fan. On a list of riders, he wouldn't make my top 10.

You are welcome to your opinion, but tagging those that do not share it as a hater without knowing their story is small minded. Where you see support others may see exploitation.

 

[eleven]

You are welcome to your opinion, but tagging those that do not share it as a hater without knowing their story is small minded.

One person's story does not speak to the cancer community as a whole.

 

[Race Radio]

One person's story does not speak to the cancer community as a whole.

Agreed.

This applies to Armstrong's story as well. Where some see inspiration others see exploitation.

 

[Anonymous]

http://www.themonitor.net/Archive/01-24-08/frontpage.htm

Lance is not the only person in the family with a doping issue. His dad was arrested with more than $2,600 in cash and six to eight pounds of marijuana 25 Valium® tablets and a stash of preserved hallucinogenic mushrooms.

Word is that Shaun Kemp and Antonio Cromartie are both concerned with the recent baby mamma developments.

Oh no you d'int...

Too good.

 

[Berzin]

The whole "he's given hope to millions" is a propaganda slogan completely devoid of evidence to confirm it's truth.

Who are these millions? I volunteer at two hospitals in NYC, one private and one public. The majority of the patients I speak to have never heard of Armstrong.

My doctor has told me in a moment of private candor that it's not in his best interest to give people false hope with some fairy tale that is more than likely a contrivance given the controversy surrounding Armstrong's drug use, which one particular oncologist told me was massive in his pre-cancer days.

The other thing he told me was that people really don't care about his story-they just want their family and friends around them. One of the biggest fears the majority of the patients I know have is being shunned by their loved ones. Their inspiration is getting a visit from a friend or relative who genuinely cares.

In the private hospital I attend, it's the yuppie parents who yak on and on about Armstrong, simply because they are impressed with his number 1 status and his material success. One of the teenagers I visit told me that this disease has actually brought his family together. Before he got sick his parents worked all day and sent him to every camp known to man every summer.

This poor kid, with all the money in the world, just wanted to spend time with his parents and to have them pay some attention to him instead of being out there chasing the yuppie dream of being king of the universe.

These are some of the stories that some of you are completely oblivious to. Wearing a yellow bracelet doesn't give you license to spew untruths that are meant only to perpetuate a fraud who in the name of cancer is lining his pockets and making fools out of anyone naive enough to believe what he says he stands for.

All that yellow bracelet does for people is give them a false and cheap sense of activism and a sense of belonging to Armstrong's insipid gang of groupies, where all truths are absolute and not to be questioned.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

The whole "he's given hope to millions" is a propaganda slogan completely devoid of evidence to confirm it's truth.

Too see that, look no further than the disgusting "Hope Rides Again" campaign. As though without Lance, there is no hope. He is the embodiment of hope.

You have to at least commend Lance for having enough sense to make so much money off chammy-sniffing fanboys standing in line to buy RadioShack jerseys.

Dope Rides Again

 

[BroDeal]

RR. I am not a Lance defender. How is it pertinent to Lance if his biological father has made a mistake with his life?

Everything that I have read has stated that Lance has written Gunderson out of his life!

An apple does not fall far from its tree.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

It takes a special level of hate to say such an absurd thing. I don't care if you hate Armstrong as a cyclist and you don't care for the yellowbands and Livestrong.

But to deny that - as a person, an advocate and a supporter - Armstrong has played an important role in the cancer community and an important mentor to people struggling with cancer just displays that special level of hate.

It doesn't really need to be said. It says more about them than it does Armstrong when they start down this line - everyone can see what they are about. However there is a user called kurtinsc who has schooled them again and again when they start lying about LA's charity.

 

[Eyjafjallajokull]

BTW, if being exposed to hateful posts and blogs is a serious problem for you, then I would advise you to be very careful of the sites you visit on the internet. It's not limited to one or two people, it's rampant. I think it's the actions of people who feel powerless/disenfranchised in a non-violent way.

I agree. It's something that most stars and celebrities have to deal with these days.

 

[altark123]

If you really want to support efforts against cancer, take off that stupid, useless, meaningless bracelet and go to your local hospital and volunteer a few hours a month at the children's cancer ward.

Dress up as a clown and do a few tricks for the kids. Not only will you actually be doing something substantial, you'll quickly come to learn how little this man means to the REAL cancer community who struggle with this on a daily basis in relative silence and obscurity.

Disagree that it is "stupid" or "meaningless". But you don't have to agree with me.

 

[flicker]

An apple does not fall far from its tree.

Yeah bro you have a point. I just try to give everyone, including his Lordship Pharmstrong a fresh start in life. I know a little about Pharmstrong. His picture pops up every 3.5 seconds.