Teams & Riders The official Wilco Kelderman is the new Merckx-thread

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Nice try today Wilco.

Froome as expected.

 

[Brullnux]

Good show, very good show. I suppose it was to be expected as Kelderman has always been a very strong time triallist, but still good to see. Whatever happens over the next few days it has been an extremely good performance, which has far exceeded my expectations. He definitely deserves to go into a GT as leader next year and go for the podium - maybe even for the win if the starts along and there's a slightly weaker than normal field

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I'm very curious about tomorrow and saturday though. In my memory of the Giro 2014 the steepest longer stuff was never his thing.
He can do ok on steep walls of 2/3km, more than ok even (Fleche Wallone placing well even). But this is not really his cup of tea.

Could be some tough days ahead and might still drop to 5/6/7

 

[telencefalus]

everybody see the way kelderman was struggle at the end , he gives it all , he can fight for 3rd place no more

 

[fantomas]

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everybody see the way kelderman was struggle at the end , he gives it all , he can fight for 3rd place no more

Your comments are all over the place. An hour ago you wrote in the Zakarain thread that you expect Kelderman to take third.

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[Dekker_Tifosi]

Just ignore him

 

[SafeBet]

I'm very happy with Wilco's performance. He is without a team in the mountains but being third in GC he can use they Sky train to his benefit. The only rider I'd personally follow is Zakarin.

 

[telencefalus]

BOTH kelderman and zakarin will never win a gt but will go on the podiums for few times

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Confirmed the supersteep stuff isn't for him. He still did very well though, I do not think of losing 15 seconds to Nibali, Zakarin and Lopez on an ultra steep climb as bad for a rider who dislikes this. Unfortunately it will also not be enough to hold off Zakarin/Contador for podium.
I think he will finish the Vuelta as 4th or 5th, which is still his best GT result ever.

edit: also shown today he was not without team. Haga was there until the bottom of the final climb. Better support than Dumoulin 2015

edit2: he also said he felt good today and confirmed again this climb isn't his cup of tea. He still said the legs were very good and he was happy with his placing on such a steep wall.

 

[telencefalus]

i read kelderman words after today stage he said that he think that froome is not his rival , but they are Nibali and zakarin , he thinks tha Nibali could not win lavuelta? Keldermann FLY DOWN

 

[skippo12]

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i read kelderman words after today stage he said that he think that froome is not his rival , but they are Nibali and zakarin , he thinks tha Nibali could not win lavuelta? Keldermann FLY DOWN

Never destroy your chances to be part of the Sky train.

 

[telencefalus]

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i read kelderman words after today stage he said that he think that froome is not his rival , but they are Nibali and zakarin , he thinks tha Nibali could not win lavuelta? Keldermann FLY DOWN

Never destroy your chances to be part of the Sky train.

yes but i see that these cyclist from Netherlands are pretty arrogant , Doumoulin at giro said that he was hoping nibali and quintana to lose podium , now keldermann saying that Nibali is his rival but not Froome , FLY DOWN as i said

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

You are so full of ***. You misinterpret everything.

He means by that he doesn't see Froome as rival because Froome is way too strong. He looks to Nibali and Zakarin as they are his direct rivals. Froome is too far away for him.

Besides that it's pretty bad to say 'dutch cyclists are arrogant'. A woeful generalization of one country. Which isn't even true. In most interviews Dumoulin is quite humble. If you don't know how to interpret things correctly then do not reply and stop trolling.

 

[bambino]

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You are so full of ****. You misinterpret everything.

He means by that he doesn't see Froome as rival because Froome is way too strong. He looks to Nibali and Zakarin as they are his direct rivals. Froome is too far away for him.

Besides that it's pretty bad to say 'dutch cyclists are arrogant'. A woeful generalization of one country. Which isn't even true. In most interviews Dumoulin is quite humble. If you don't know how to interpret things correctly then do not reply and stop trolling.

I general Dutch people are a bit arrogant though - not saying there is anything bad on that, it is just the way they are.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I think directness and openess is misjudged as arrogance by closed people, especially Belgians who are super closed.

 

[bambino]

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I think directness and openess is misjudged as arrogance by closed people, especially Belgians who are super closed.

True, been working with dozens and dozens of people from both countries. Though as a Dutch you do have hard times to understand how people from other countries/culture takes it.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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I think directness and openess is misjudged as arrogance by closed people, especially Belgians who are super closed.

I just wouldn't pay much attention to him, he has been here for 4 days and has already made 400 posts, most of them just his ridiculous incorrect viewpoints.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

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I think directness and openess is misjudged as arrogance by closed people, especially Belgians who are super closed.

True, been working with dozens and dozens of people from both countries. Though as a Dutch you do have hard times to understand how people from other countries/culture takes it.

Yeah. But calling Kelderman arrogant is hilarious. The guy is so shy and careful in interviews. You're more worried he'd break then say something arrogant

 

[Valv.Piti]

I know it depends a lot on parcours, but say if Dumoulin is riding the Tour which is the most likely at this point, is Kelderman then sent to France as a superdomestique? Would make them pretty poor in the other GTs now that Barguil also is gone.

 

[GenericBoonenFan]

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I know it depends a lot on parcours, but say if Dumoulin is riding the Tour which is the most likely at this point, is Kelderman then sent to France as a superdomestique? Would make them pretty poor in the other GTs now that Barguil also is gone.

GC wise perhaps, but they have Bauhaus/Theuns to do something in the sprints in the other GTs and Oomen could go for a GC in next years Vuelta or (perhaps although think it'll most likely be too hard) the Giro.

 

[Red Rick]

With Oomen I'd just want to see if he made progress in the spring. Let him ride the Tour in support/breakaways rather than a Vuelta for GC.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I can see Oomen going for Giro / Vuelta then

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

His style on these muritos sure is different than his long climbs though. He was turning a massive gear on the final 300m. While Froome and Nibali were spinning some tiny gear

 

[Bardamu]

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I can see Oomen going for Giro / Vuelta then

And both with a free attacking role. No need to lead a team yet. Try to get a stage.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Angliru was 2km too long for Wilco. Tried to follow Zak and blew up. Still, 5th is a good result considering the 3 year hiatus in GT's GC's