Teams & Riders The official Wilco Kelderman is the new Merckx-thread

[python]

kelderman performance vs zaka was approximately the same as in st 17 on a mountain roughly the same structure and steepness. that is, very slightly under.

frankly, i expected their relative performance to be the reverse, since, he's 2-3 kg lighter than ilnur. regardless, he's a certain threat to ANY podium and will undoubtedly learn some lessons from this tour.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Kelderman doesn't like super steef stuff though. He likes more regular climbs. So it's no surprise he cracked in the end. I already thought he would after wednesday. 5th was the best possible result he could get. And he was very close to the podium. Above expectations

edit: Kelderman is ofcourse disappointed to lose podium so close to the finish. But he's also very clear, the others were stronger.
He's happy with his performance and glad he found his good legs back. Said in his last Lotto years he went too far in losing weight, causing him to have no power
https://nos.nl/artikel/2192167-kelderman-had-vooraf-getekend-voor-vijfde-plaats.html

 

[movingtarget]

Shame he faded today but still a good overall performance.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

I think faded is a harsch word. I do not believe or think he was any less than the previous days. This is just his limit on super steep climbs.

 

[Bye Bye Bicycle]

Great performance, but I would have loved to see him podium.

 

[Sybrand]

Kelderman should be domestique of Dumoulin next year in the Tour. I don't see a great future for him as a leader in a grand tour. Can't handle mountains above 2000 m and he can't handle the pressure and his bike. In the Giro he looked also much happier under the wings of Dumoulin, who gives him a lot more confidence. There's nothing wrong with being domestique of one of the best grand tour riders.

 

[Frankschleck]

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Kelderman should be domestique of Dumoulin next year in the Tour. I don't see a great future for him as a leader in a grand tour. Can't handle mountains above 2000 m and he can't handle the pressure and his bike. In the Giro he looked also much happier under the wings of Dumoulin, who gives him a lot more confidence. There's nothing wrong with being domestique of one of the best grand tour riders.

No he shouldn't. He just finished 4th in a vuelta that didn't even suit him. He could become a podium contender. And even if he doesn't, finishing top 10 in a gt is pretty good in his own right, so they might aswell just let him lead in more gts.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Huh? Kelderman can't handle mountains above 2000? His best performances came on those actually. (Sierra Nevada also this Vuelta)

Kelderman is worst at really steep mountains (Angliru / Zoncolan monsters). He isn't bad at all at altitude

 

[May0maniac]

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Huh? Kelderman can't handle mountains above 2000? His best performances came on those actually. (Sierra Nevada also this Vuelta)

Kelderman is worst at really steep mountains (Angliru / Zoncolan monsters). He isn't bad at all at altitude

He was also best of the rest on the Stelviogate stage in the 2014 Giro, he's actually pretty good at high altitude.

 

[python]

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Kelderman should be domestique of Dumoulin next year in the Tour. I don't see a great future for him as a leader in a grand tour. Can't handle mountains above 2000 m and he can't handle the pressure and his bike. In the Giro he looked also much happier under the wings of Dumoulin, who gives him a lot more confidence. There's nothing wrong with being domestique of one of the best grand tour riders.

sorry, i dont understand this comment...it relates to something other than what I saw in both the giro and la vuelta...and i followed EVERY STAGE, though i dont post much about it.

Both are very promissing talents for any gt and both still need a polish, more experience and perhaps a mental dimension. To say one is decidely supposed to work for another is to ignore what both have acheived...

 

[Sybrand]

Last year, when whe wore the leaders jersey in the Tour de Suisse, on the Rettenbachferner he was very bad on a high altitude. Maybe it was also in combination with high pressure, but it seemed to me he can't handle the high mountaints and is constant enough. And he's surely not a potential podium contender, this Vuelta nearly everything went good, but normally he crashes already once in a one week stage race.

 

[Frankschleck]

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Last year, when whe wore the leaders jersey in the Tour de Suisse, on the Rettenbachferner he was very bad on a high altitude. Maybe it was also in combination with high pressure, but it seemed to me he can't handle the high mountaints and is constant enough. And he's surely not a potential podium contender, this Vuelta nearly everything went good, but normally he crashes already once in a one week stage race.

He is most defiantly a podium contender. Boring rider, but if he climbs like he did this vuelta, and then with keldermans timetrial, he could go very far in a grandtour. He defianlty should get his own chance in future gts, you can't argue against that.

 

[Monte]

Re: Re:

Last year, when whe wore the leaders jersey in the Tour de Suisse, on the Rettenbachferner he was very bad on a high altitude. Maybe it was also in combination with high pressure, but it seemed to me he can't handle the high mountaints and is constant enough. And he's surely not a potential podium contender, this Vuelta nearly everything went good, but normally he crashes already once in a one week stage race.

He is most defiantly a podium contender. Boring rider, but if he climbs like he did this vuelta, and then with keldermans timetrial, he could go very far in a grandtour. He defianlty should get his own chance in future gts, you can't argue against that.

I have Kelderman in Top 5 for the Worlds on Wednesday ITT..

 

[May0maniac]

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Last year, when whe wore the leaders jersey in the Tour de Suisse, on the Rettenbachferner he was very bad on a high altitude. Maybe it was also in combination with high pressure, but it seemed to me he can't handle the high mountaints and is constant enough. And he's surely not a potential podium contender, this Vuelta nearly everything went good, but normally he crashes already once in a one week stage race.

I don't know if you can blame the altitude, that was when the team told him to put a compact on his bike, but he refused.

 

[Frankschleck]

Re: Re:

Last year, when whe wore the leaders jersey in the Tour de Suisse, on the Rettenbachferner he was very bad on a high altitude. Maybe it was also in combination with high pressure, but it seemed to me he can't handle the high mountaints and is constant enough. And he's surely not a potential podium contender, this Vuelta nearly everything went good, but normally he crashes already once in a one week stage race.

He is most defiantly a podium contender. Boring rider, but if he climbs like he did this vuelta, and then with keldermans timetrial, he could go very far in a grandtour. He defianlty should get his own chance in future gts, you can't argue against that.

I have Kelderman in Top 5 for the Worlds on Wednesday ITT..

Yeah he should do that.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Rettenbachferner is another really steep climb, and last year and actually the last 2 years at Lotto he was struggling with being underweight, because he pushed things too far. So I don't take anything of 2015 and 2016 as a reference. You should not either Sybrand

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Broken collarbone in the Tirreno afte 2 falls today.

Gutted, he was doing really well. Sunweb seems to be struck by a curse.

 

[portugal11]

Broken collarbone in the Tirreno afte 2 falls today.

Gutted, he was doing really well. Sunweb seems to be struck by a curse.

at least this injury don't come in a critical part of the season.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Finished as a GC-contender.

....

 

[Squire]

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Finished as a GC-contender.

....

That's a bit harsh considering the injuries he's had this season.

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Finished as a GC-contender.

....

That's a bit harsh considering the injuries he's had this season.

Im just trolling D_T a bit after he said that a week ago after Covatilla about guess who.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Lol. Just a lack of race rythm. *** happens.

And no worries, Valverde will still fail somewhere this Vuelta

 

[Valv.Piti]

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Lol. Just a lack of race rythm. **** happens.

And no worries, Valverde will still fail somewhere this Vuelta

I hadn't expected anything else from you, no worries

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Broken colarbone and a fractured cervical spine (neck vertebra).

 

[Mavic]

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Broken colarbone and a fractured cervical spine (neck vertebra).

Jesus. I don't know what motivates this guy anymore to get back on that bike. I mean, it's not that he's not talented, it's just that his luck, or bike-handling skills rather, is just horrible. I thought Gesink was bad, but this guy takes the cake. Wish him a speedy recovery of course.