The Podium Slam

[Netserk]

List updated with the names missing from previous updates.
As always, , if you know of other riders who should be included just tell us.

1st, 1st, 1st - Froome
1st, 1st, 1st - Nibali
1st, 1st, 1st - Contador
1st, 1st, 1st - Hinault
1st, 1st, 1st - Merckx
1st, 1st, 1st - Anquetil
1st, 1st, 1st - Gimondi

1st, 1st, 2nd - Indurain
1st, 2nd, 1st - Rominger
1st, 2nd, 1st - Quintana
1st, 1st, 3rd - Fignon
1st, 3rd, 1st - Menchov
2nd, 3rd, 1st - Fuente
3rd, 1st, 3rd - Evans
3rd, 2nd, 1st - Roglic
3rd, 3rd, 1st - Valverde
2nd, 2nd, 3rd - Van Springel
2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Rodríguez

1st, 6th, 1st - Battaglin G.
7th, 1st, 1st - Delgado
1st, 1st, 9th - Nencini
4th, 1st, 2nd - Sastre
1st, 2nd, 4th - Basso
2nd, 4th, 1st - Olano
2nd, 5th, 1st - Aru
1st, 2nd, 6th - Dumoulin
1st, 7th, 2nd - Pollentier
6th, 3rd, 1st - Vinokourov
3rd, 7th, 1st - Yates S
4th, 4th, 1st - Jalabert
4th, 5th, 1st - Lejarreta
5th, 5th, 1st - Heras
7th, 5th, 1st - Jesús Loroño
8th, 5th, 1st - Herrera
1st, 10th, 5th - Adorni
8th, 7th, 1st - Gabica
7th, 1st, 9th - Aimar
1st, 7th, 10th - Moser
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Millar
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Galdós
2nd, 2nd, 7th - Urán
2nd, 2nd, 8th - Ugrumov
4th, 2nd, 3rd - Géminiani
3rd, 4th, 2nd - Fornara
5th, 3rd, 2nd - Pérez Francés
6th, 3rd, 2nd - Leipheimer
2nd, 3rd, 7th - Breukink
8th, 3rd, 2nd - Escartin
3rd, 10th, 2nd - Fernández Blanco
3rd, 6th, 3rd - Lopez M. A.
4th, 2nd, 5th - Jiménez Muñoz
2nd, 6th, 7th - Casagrande
10th, 8th, 2nd - Muñóz
2nd, 10th, 9th - Caruso D.
4th, 3rd, 4th - Kruijswijk
4th, 3rd, 5th - López Carril
4th, 3rd, 6th - Pinot
6th. 3rd, 5th - Rumsas
7th, 5th. 3rd - Criquielion
7th, 6th, 3rd - Impanis
4th, 10th, 3rd - Van Looy
5th, 9th, 3rd - Zakarin

It’s not very obvious what criteria they are sorted after, my first guess was not consistently applied.

But great to see the list being updated!

 

[hayneplane]

It’s not very obvious what criteria they are sorted after, my first guess was not consistently applied.

But great to see the list being updated!

The results are listed left to right as Giro, Tour, Vuelta with the results from the Tour given the heaviest weighting the Giro and finally Vuelta eg 2, 1, 1 is worth more than 1, 2, 1 as a Tour win is valued more than a Giro win.

 

[Netserk]

The results are listed left to right as Giro, Tour, Vuelta with the results from the Tour given the heaviest weighting the Giro and finally Vuelta eg 2, 1, 1 is worth more than 1, 2, 1 as a Tour win is valued more than a Giro win.

That I'm very well aware of. It's more why López is above several riders with a 2nd place as best result, which runs contrary to what seems to be the criteria by which the rest is sorted.

 

[Red Rick]

Think Mollema is getting excluded here.

 

[Netserk]

Think Mollema is getting excluded here.

He's in the same category as Jurgen Van den Broeck. He never stepped on a podium.

 

[Forever The Best]

Mollema doesn't have a podium, unless you award him 3rd in 2011 Vuelta after Cobo DQ.

 

[Remy55]

Jan Ullrich? His wins are not cancelled.
1st Tour 1997
1st Vuelta 1999
52nd Giro 2001

 

[Red Rick]

He's in the same category as Jurgen Van den Broeck. He never stepped on a podium.

Must have forgotten bout the others and missed that it was systematically ignored.

Fine by me.

 

[Blanco]

Idk, him being in the same category as Indurain or Fignon might look weird but it's not like he completely stands out of that group. Sure, Menchov ended up winning two gt's but was he actually clearly a better rider? Purito really should have won both Giro and Vuelta in 2012 and he was climbing almost as good as Quintana in the third week of the 2013 Tour. He was pretty great at that time. Hell, I'd argue that in terms of riding for gc Purito's peak was higher than Valverde's.

Yep Purito 2012 in terms of climbing beats any version of Valverde, except maybe 2017, but we never saw that Valverde in a GT.
But Purito was heavily handicapped because of his poor TT-ing, Valverde was better rounded, more complete rider, that's why he had more success. But in terms of climbing alone, I think peak Purito beats peak Valverde by a slim margin.

 

[will-10]

Regarding Purito, he was a very good cyclist, especially on steep climbs and hills, but IMHO he didn't have the overall ability to be part of an elite group of all-time GC specialist.

Fair enough, if he could TT he'd be in the first group, not the second.

 

[ice&fire]

Jan Ullrich? His wins are not cancelled.
1st Tour 1997
1st Vuelta 1999
52nd Giro 2001

We'll be glad to add him when he completes a Giro and finishes 10th or better

 

[SafeBet]

That I'm very well aware of. It's more why López is above several riders with a 2nd place as best result, which runs contrary to what seems to be the criteria by which the rest is sorted.

I don't really know who decided the criteria of the list I'm updating but I'm pretty sure I was the one putting Lopez somewhere randomly.

Edit, I've updated it again trying to follow these criteria:

• ranked by best result
• ranked by second best result in case of same best result
• ranked by third best result...

 

[Netserk]

Updated with Kruijswijk, Roglic and a more natural order.

Here we have the culprit with his more 'natural' order.

...

Original order (corrected a few mistakes):

Giro, Tour, Vuelta - Name (active riders underlined)

1st, 1st, 1st - Froome
1st, 1st, 1st - Nibali
1st, 1st, 1st - Contador
1st, 1st, 1st - Hinault
1st, 1st, 1st - Merckx
1st, 1st, 1st - Gimondi
1st, 1st, 1st - Anquetil

1st, 1st, 2nd - Indurain
1st, 2nd, 1st - Quintana
1st, 2nd, 1st - Rominger
1st, 1st, 3rd - Fignon
1st, 3rd, 1st - Menchov
3rd, 2nd, 1st - Roglič
2nd, 3rd, 1st - Fuente
3rd, 1st, 3rd - Evans
3rd, 3rd, 1st - Valverde
2nd, 2nd, 3rd - Van Springel
2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Rodríguez

4th, 1st, 2nd - Sastre
1st, 2nd, 4th - Basso
2nd, 4th, 1st - Olano
1st, 6th, 1st - Battaglin
2nd, 5th, 1st - Aru
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Millar
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Galdós
7th, 1st, 1st - Delgado
1st, 2nd, 6th - Dumoulin
4th, 4th, 1st - Jalabert
4th, 2nd, 3rd - Géminiani
3rd, 4th, 2nd - Fornara
1st, 7th, 2nd - Pollentier
6th, 3rd, 1st - Vinokourov
5th, 3rd, 2nd - Pérez Francés
1st, 1st, 9th - Nencini
3rd, 7th, 1st - Yates, S.
5th, 5th, 1st - Heras
2nd, 2nd, 7th - Uran
6th, 3rd, 2nd - Leipheimer
4th, 2nd, 5th - Jiménez Muñoz
4th, 5th, 2nd - Lejarreta
4th, 3rd, 4th - Kruijswijk
2nd, 2nd, 8th - Ugrumov
2nd, 3rd, 7th - Breukink
3rd, 6th, 3rd - López, M. A.
4th, 3rd, 5th - López Carril
7th, 5th, 1st - Loroño
8th, 3rd, 2nd - Escartin
4th, 3rd, 6th - Pinot
8th, 5th, 1st - Herrera
6th, 3rd, 5th - Rumšas
3rd, 10th, 2nd - Fernández Blanco
2nd, 6th, 7th - Casagrande
7th, 5th, 3rd - Criquielion
1st, 10th, 5th - Adorni
8th, 7th, 1st - Gabica
7th, 6th, 3rd - Impanis
7th, 1st, 9th - Aimar
4th, 10th, 3rd - Van Looy
5th, 9th, 3rd - Zakarin
1st, 7th, 10th - Moser
10th, 8th, 2nd - Muñóz Machín
2nd, 10th, 9th - Caruso, D.

I'm in two minds with regard to the Spanish names. I'll probably later change it so they have the same format as Superman, as that fits with Caruso & Yates.

PS: SafeBet, you still need to move Roglič up.

 

[tobydawq]

Here we have the culprit with his more 'natural' order.

Hey, I'm hardly responsible for López' misplacement in the list given that he joined the club a year after I updated it with the fantastic new order. For which I got an endless amount of praise:

No worries.
I too believe the format needed some changes but didn't wanna mess up the original list.

The new version is much cleaner.

And due to all that praise I will not point any fingers at the one who put López into the list

 

[Netserk]

I believe the praise was for underlining names instead of bolding them, not for the unnatural order.

 

[tobydawq]

I believe the praise was for underlining names instead of bolding them, not for the unnatural order.

What was unnatural about it? It's a pretty normal way to rank things, I would say.

 

[Netserk]

What was unnatural about it? It's a pretty normal way to rank things, I would say.

If a Tour win ranks ahead of a Giro win, why are the Tour winners not ahead of everyone else, following the logic of your order?

And in the context of a "Podium Slam", it's weird to have Caruso ahead of Superman (not that lowest sum is perfect in that regard).

 

[tobydawq]

If a Tour win ranks ahead of a Giro win, why are the Tour winners not ahead of everyone else, following the logic of your order?

And in the context of a "Podium Slam", it's weird to have Caruso ahead of Superman (not that lowest sum is perfect in that regard).

It's a tie-breaker in the event that two riders have won the same amount of different Grand Tours...

 

[SafeBet]

I don't have a dog in this fight. Whatever order is fine with me. Just tell me whether I have to resign from my role of quasi official updater.

 

[Gigs_98]

Mollema doesn't have a podium, unless you award him 3rd in 2011 Vuelta after Cobo DQ.

I'm not certain myself if I think he should be on the list, but if we go by official UCI results I'm pretty certain he is the official 3rd placed rider of that race. Froome is the official winner after all.

 

[Panda Claws]

We need to add Jurgen Van den Broeck.

Because Contador and Menchov got disqualified he is now 3rd in Tour 2010 (also a respectable 4th in 2012). As well as 6th in Giro 2008 (Sella disqualified) and 7th in Vuelta 2011 (Cobo disqualified).
Give it another decade and he'll have wins in each.

 

[Red Rick]

I'm not certain myself if I think he should be on the list, but if we go by official UCI results I'm pretty certain he is the official 3rd placed rider of that race. Froome is the official winner after all.

Can never be sure with the UCI, I find them perfectly capable of having #1, #3 and #4.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

It's time for Tadej to complete the podium slam at the Giro - maybe next year. He won't target the Tour every year, will he?

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Shouldn't Van Impe (1st, 4th, 5th) be added to the third tier?

Johan De Muynck (4th, 1st, 7th) is also missing.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

It doesn't really fit the title of the thread or the discussion so far, but on the back of Dan Martin now having not only a stage win in all three GTs, but also a top ten in each, I wondered who would be in his category here: top ten in all three, but no podium (by the definition here: I would prefer to go by results, not ceremonies for Mollema and van den Broeck).

Going back to 1970, I am surprised at how few there seem to be (though I may have missed some)
5,5,4 Thurau
5,6,3 Mollema
7,3,8 Van den Broeck
5,7,6 Totschnig
5, 8,8 Fuchs
10,6,4 Martin
6,7,9 Konig
8,9,8 Serrano

Did I miss anyone?