The Podium Slam

[Armchair Cyclist]

I've taken the liberty of alphabetising Pogacar after fellow 1/1/3 acheivers Fignon and Menchov.

 

[hayneplane]

I've taken the liberty of alphabetising Pogacar after fellow 1/1/3 acheivers Fignon and Menchov.

I thought Tour results took precedence so Pogacars 1/1/3 is better than Menchovs 1/3/1

 

[SHAD0W93]

I thought Tour results took precedence so Pogacars 1/1/3 is better than Menchovs 1/3/1

That’s how I thought it was to when originally conceived.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

I thought Tour results took precedence so Pogacars 1/1/3 is better than Menchovs 1/3/1

Last year I proposed a slight reworking:

A slight reworking:
I have (as I proposed after the Giro) made number of podiums (actually, number of different GTs in which they have a podium) as a higher stratum for sorting (Jalabert drops, Fernandez Blanco is biggest gainer);
Where total is the same, I have sorted by number of wins, then 2nds, 3rds etc;
Riders still unseparated are sorted alphabetically (I couldn't see what pattern was there previously);

This received 5 thumbs up (including SafeBet, who seems to be the main updater now), and one, equivocating, response against, which received 1 thumbs up. My edit on the post-Giro table received a thumbs up from SafeBet, whose table I altered.

Not really a battle worth fighting that much over: should we have a response emoticons vote to decide, or let Safebet consider it his project to do with as he chooses, or what?

 

[RedheadDane]

You could also start putting how many of each.

So, between Pogacar and Menchov it would be:

Pogacar: 1 /1(x2)/3
Menchov 1/3/1

 

[pastronef]

little off topic, but talking about podiums, 2024 is the 14th year in-a-row that Sky-Ineos puts a rider on a grand tour podium

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Almeida enters the listing, with a Giro podium and 4th in each of the others.

3 wins
1st, 1st, 1st - Anquetil
1st, 1st, 1st - Contador
1st, 1st, 1st - Froome
1st, 1st, 1st - Gimondi
1st, 1st, 1st - Hinault
1st, 1st, 1st - Merckx
1st, 1st, 1st - Nibali

3 podiums
1st, 1st, 2nd - Indurain
1st, 2nd, 1st - Quintana
1st, 2nd, 1st - Roglič
1st, 2nd, 1st - Rominger
1st, 1st, 3rd - Fignon
1st, 3rd, 1st - Menchov
1st, 1st, 3rd - Pogacar
1st, 3rd, 2nd - Carapaz
2nd, 3rd, 1st - Fuente
3rd, 1st, 3rd - Evans
3rd, 3rd, 1st - Valverde
2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Rodríguez
2nd, 2nd, 3rd - Van Springel

2 podiums
1st, 2nd, 4th - Basso
2nd, 4th, 1st - Olano
4th, 1st, 2nd - Sastre
1st, 6th, 1st - Battaglin
1st, 1st, 6th - Bernal
2nd, 5th, 1st - Aru
3rd, 4th, 1st - Yates, S.
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Galdós
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Millar
7th, 1st, 1st - Delgado
1st, 2nd, 6th - Dumoulin
3rd, 4th, 2nd - Fornara
4th, 2nd, 3rd - Géminiani
1st, 7th, 2nd - Pollentier
6th, 3rd, 1st - Vinokourov
5th, 3rd, 2nd - Pérez Francés
1st, 1st, 9th - Nencini
2nd, 2nd, 7th - Uran
6th, 3rd, 2nd - Leipheimer
2nd, 2nd, 8th - Ugrumov
2nd, 3rd, 7th - Breukink
3rd, 6th, 3rd - López, M. A.
8th, 3rd, 2nd - Escartin
3rd, 10th, 2nd - Fernández Blanco

1 podium
4th, 4th, 1st - Jalabert
4th, 1st, 5th - Van Impe
5th, 5th, 1st - Heras
4th, 2nd, 5th - Jiménez Muñoz
4th, 5th, 2nd - Lejarreta
4th, 3rd, 4th - Kruijswijk
3rd, 4th, 4th - Almeida
1st, 4th, 7th - De Muynck
3rd, 5th, 4th - Kelderman
3rd, 4th, 5th - Landa
4th, 3rd, 5th - López Carril
7th, 5th, 1st - Loroño
4th, 3rd, 6th - Pinot
8th, 5th, 1st - Herrera
6th, 3rd, 5th - Rumšas
2nd, 6th, 7th - Casagrande
7th, 5th, 3rd - Criquielion
1st, 10th, 5th - Adorni
8th, 7th, 1st - Gabica
9th, 3rd, 4th - Yates, A.
7th, 6th, 3rd - Impanis
7th, 1st, 9th - Aimar
4th, 10th, 3rd - Van Looy
5th, 9th, 3rd - Zakarin
1st, 7th, 10th - Hindley
1st, 7th, 10th - Moser
10th, 8th, 2nd - Muñóz Machín
2nd, 10th, 9th - Caruso, D.

No podium
5th, 5th, 4th - Thurau
5th ,6th , 4th* - Mollema
4th, 4th, 8th - O'Connor
4th, 5th, 7th - Vlasov
5th ,7th, 6th - Totschnig
7th ,4th* ,8th - Van den Broeck
10th ,6th ,4th - Martin D
8th ,6th ,6th - Chozas
5th , 8th ,8th - Fuchs
6th ,7th ,9th - Konig
8th ,9th ,8th - Serrano

I have kept MA Lopez underlined as current, because I don't think he has said he won't come back, but if anyone can cite a statement to the contrary I will happily de-underline him.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

O'Connor moves into the one podium group

3 wins
1st, 1st, 1st - Anquetil
1st, 1st, 1st - Contador
1st, 1st, 1st - Froome
1st, 1st, 1st - Gimondi
1st, 1st, 1st - Hinault
1st, 1st, 1st - Merckx
1st, 1st, 1st - Nibali

3 podiums
1st, 1st, 2nd - Indurain
1st, 2nd, 1st - Quintana
1st, 2nd, 1st - Roglič
1st, 2nd, 1st - Rominger
1st, 1st, 3rd - Fignon
1st, 3rd, 1st - Menchov
1st, 1st, 3rd - Pogacar
1st, 3rd, 2nd - Carapaz
2nd, 3rd, 1st - Fuente
3rd, 1st, 3rd - Evans
3rd, 3rd, 1st - Valverde
2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Rodríguez
2nd, 2nd, 3rd - Van Springel

2 podiums
1st, 2nd, 4th - Basso
2nd, 4th, 1st - Olano
4th, 1st, 2nd - Sastre
1st, 6th, 1st - Battaglin
1st, 1st, 6th - Bernal
2nd, 5th, 1st - Aru
3rd, 4th, 1st - Yates, S.
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Galdós
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Millar
7th, 1st, 1st - Delgado
1st, 2nd, 6th - Dumoulin
3rd, 4th, 2nd - Fornara
4th, 2nd, 3rd - Géminiani
1st, 7th, 2nd - Pollentier
6th, 3rd, 1st - Vinokourov
5th, 3rd, 2nd - Pérez Francés
1st, 1st, 9th - Nencini
2nd, 2nd, 7th - Uran
6th, 3rd, 2nd - Leipheimer
2nd, 2nd, 8th - Ugrumov
2nd, 3rd, 7th - Breukink
3rd, 6th, 3rd - López, M. A.
8th, 3rd, 2nd - Escartin
3rd, 10th, 2nd - Fernández Blanco

1 podium
4th, 4th, 1st - Jalabert
4th, 1st, 5th - Van Impe
4th, 4th, 2nd - O'Connor
5th, 5th, 1st - Heras
4th, 2nd, 5th - Jiménez Muñoz
4th, 5th, 2nd - Lejarreta
3rd, 4th, 4th - Almeida
4th, 3rd, 4th - Kruijswijk
1st, 4th, 7th - De Muynck
3rd, 5th, 4th - Kelderman
3rd, 4th, 5th - Landa
4th, 3rd, 5th - López Carril
7th, 5th, 1st - Loroño
4th, 3rd, 6th - Pinot
8th, 5th, 1st - Herrera
6th, 3rd, 5th - Rumšas
2nd, 6th, 7th - Casagrande
7th, 5th, 3rd - Criquielion
1st, 10th, 5th - Adorni
8th, 7th, 1st - Gabica
9th, 3rd, 4th - Yates, A.
7th, 6th, 3rd - Impanis
7th, 1st, 9th - Aimar
4th, 10th, 3rd - Van Looy
5th, 9th, 3rd - Zakarin
1st, 7th, 10th - Hindley
1st, 7th, 10th - Moser
10th, 8th, 2nd - Muñóz Machín
2nd, 10th, 9th - Caruso, D.

No podium
5th, 5th, 4th - Thurau
5th ,6th , 4th* - Mollema
4th, 5th, 7th - Vlasov
5th ,7th, 6th - Totschnig
7th ,4th* ,8th - Van den Broeck
10th ,6th ,4th - Martin D
8th ,6th ,6th - Chozas
5th , 8th ,8th - Fuchs
6th ,7th ,9th - Konig
8th ,9th ,8th - Serrano

 

[SafeBet]

Last year I proposed a slight reworking:

This received 5 thumbs up (including SafeBet, who seems to be the main updater now), and one, equivocating, response against, which received 1 thumbs up. My edit on the post-Giro table received a thumbs up from SafeBet, whose table I altered.

Not really a battle worth fighting that much over: should we have a response emoticons vote to decide, or let Safebet consider it his project to do with as he chooses, or what?

Your current system works perfectly!

 

[Samu Cuenca]

Simon Yates has now moved to the top of the 2 podiums tier with a combined score of 6.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

3 wins
1st, 1st, 1st - Anquetil
1st, 1st, 1st - Contador
1st, 1st, 1st - Froome
1st, 1st, 1st - Gimondi
1st, 1st, 1st - Hinault
1st, 1st, 1st - Merckx
1st, 1st, 1st - Nibali

3 podiums
1st, 1st, 2nd - Indurain
1st, 2nd, 1st - Quintana
1st, 2nd, 1st - Roglič
1st, 2nd, 1st - Rominger
1st, 1st, 3rd - Fignon
1st, 3rd, 1st - Menchov
1st, 1st, 3rd - Pogacar
1st, 3rd, 2nd - Carapaz
2nd, 3rd, 1st - Fuente
3rd, 1st, 3rd - Evans
3rd, 3rd, 1st - Valverde
2nd, 3rd, 2nd - Rodríguez
2nd, 2nd, 3rd - Van Springel

2 podiums
1st, 4th, 1st - Yates, S.
1st, 2nd, 4th - Basso
2nd, 4th, 1st - Olano
4th*, 1st, 2nd - Sastre
1st, 6th, 1st - Battaglin
1st, 1st, 6th - Bernal
2nd, 5th, 1st - Aru
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Galdós
2nd, 4th, 2nd - Millar
7th, 1st, 1st - Delgado
1st, 2nd, 6th - Dumoulin
3rd, 4th, 2nd - Fornara
4th, 2nd, 3rd - Géminiani
1st, 7th, 2nd - Pollentier
6th, 3rd, 1st - Vinokourov
5th, 3rd, 2nd - Pérez Francés
1st, 1st, 9th - Nencini
2nd, 2nd, 7th - Uran
6th, 3rd, 2nd - Leipheimer
2nd, 2nd, 8th - Ugrumov
2nd, 3rd, 7th - Breukink
3rd, 6th, 3rd - López, M. A.
8th, 3rd, 2nd - Escartin
3rd, 10th, 2nd - Fernández Blanco

1 podium
4th, 4th, 1st - Jalabert
4th, 1st, 5th - Van Impe
4th, 4th, 2nd - O'Connor
5th, 5th, 1st - Heras
4th, 2nd, 5th - Jiménez Muñoz
4th, 5th, 2nd - Lejarreta
3rd, 4th, 4th - Almeida
4th, 3rd, 4th - Kruijswijk
1st, 4th, 7th - De Muynck
3rd, 5th, 4th - Kelderman
3rd, 4th, 5th - Landa
4th, 3rd, 5th - López Carril
7th, 5th, 1st - Loroño
4th, 3rd, 6th - Pinot
8th, 5th, 1st - Herrera
6th, 3rd, 5th - Rumšas
2nd, 6th, 7th - Casagrande
7th, 5th, 3rd - Criquielion
1st, 10th, 5th - Adorni
8th, 7th, 1st - Gabica
9th, 3rd, 4th - Yates, A.
7th, 6th, 3rd - Impanis
7th, 1st, 9th - Aimar
4th, 10th, 3rd - Van Looy
5th, 9th, 3rd - Zakarin
1st, 7th, 10th - Hindley
1st, 7th, 10th - Moser
10th, 8th, 2nd - Muñóz Machín
2nd, 10th, 9th - Caruso, D.

No podium
5th, 5th, 4th - Thurau
5th ,6th , 4th* - Mollema
4th, 5th, 7th - Vlasov
5th ,7th, 6th - Totschnig
7th ,4th* ,8th - Van den Broeck
10th ,6th ,4th - Martin D
8th ,6th ,6th - Chozas
5th , 8th ,8th - Fuchs
6th ,7th ,9th - Konig
8th ,9th ,8th - Serrano

Derek Gee moves onto my shortlist of only one top ten needed (Is he likely to do La Vuelta this year?)

Edit: Sastre asterisked per following post.

 

[Sciatic]

This win really changes the cache’ of Simon Yates’ palmares. It terms of legacy, 2 GT wins is much more than twice the gravitas of a single win.

 

[Wyndbrook]

Simon just needs to rock up in sunny July and take the tour win whilst his team leader and Pog cancel each other out refusing to ride.

 

[Roku]

Shouldn't Sastre have an asterisk like Mollema? He ended 4th on the Giro won by Menchov, but ended up 2nd after Di Luca and Pellizotti were DQed

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Shouldn't Sastre have an asterisk like Mollema? He ended 4th on the Giro won by Menchov, but ended up 2nd after Di Luca and Pellizotti were DQed

Looks like he should be, thanks: thus changed. My preference would be to go with the eventual results, which would have him in the category that the game was originally designed to identify, but respecting the principles of those that originally compiled it

 

[ice&fire]

Looks like he should be, thanks: thus changed. My preference would be to go with the eventual results, which would have him in the category that the game was originally designed to identify, but respecting the principles of those that originally compiled it

By that rule, Lejarreta's 2nd in the Vuelta should also be asterisked. He was declared winner of the '82 Vuelta after a positive test by the guy on top of the podium (no DSQ but 10 minutes penalty).

That, combined with the positive test of 3rd classified Alberto Fernández, promoted Pollentier from 4th to 2nd. Pollentier's best placing at the Vuelta in his other participations was 3rd in 1979. How do you handle that?

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

By that rule, Lejarreta's 2nd in the Vuelta should also be asterisked. He was declared winner of the '82 Vuelta after a positive test by the guy on top of the podium (no DSQ but 10 minutes penalty).

That, combined with the positive test of 3rd classified Alberto Fernández, promoted Pollentier from 4th to 2nd. Pollentier's best placing at the Vuelta in his other participations was 3rd in 1979. How do you handle that?

I shouldn't have involved myself in such an historical thread: not my area of expertise. Like I say, I'd go by official lists.


@Netserk : this dates back to lists that you put up.

 

[Netserk]

Whoever compiles and maintains the list can do so with whatever criteria preferable. I preferred to use the results as they were at the end of the races in question.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

24 hour vote on the like button:
likes for using results as they were the day the race finished
sad face for using the results after any disciplinary action.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

24 hour vote on the like button:
likes for using results as they were the day the race finished
sad face for using the results after any disciplinary action.

So a 3 to 2 vote, we'll build it around the results as the race finished. So I'll double check the Lejarretta/Pollentier situation tomorrow evening.

 

[Roku]

So a 3 to 2 vote, we'll build it around the results as the race finished. So I'll double check the Lejarretta/Pollentier situation tomorrow evening.

I think the best course of action is respecting the original placing and put an asterisk if possible to game-changing updates after suspensions / DQ (4th to 3rd or 2nd to 1st)

 

[Berniece]

So a 3 to 2 vote, we'll build it around the results as the race finished. So I'll double check the Lejarretta/Pollentier situation tomorrow evening.

How does that work for Armstrong?

 

[SHAD0W93]

How does that work for Armstrong?

Armstrong finished 12th originally in 2009 before all of the disqualifications and his own DQ, then never top 10’d/raced another Giro.

 

[Berniece]

Armstrong finished 12th originally in 2009 before all of the disqualifications and his own DQ, then never top 10’d/raced another Giro.

Yeah but if we are going to use the results immediately at the end of the race, he wasn't DQ'ed yet.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Yeah but if we are going to use the results immediately at the end of the race, he wasn't DQ'ed yet.

Well yes, but he still doesn‘t make the list. He would show up here as a seven-time Tour winner if this would be shown in this ranking.