The Real Football Thread

[pmcg76]

Best way to describe CL final so far?

Corner to Bayern Munich

 

[palmerq]

bah cant trust bayern to do anything right :S

 

[pmcg76]

Chelsea have this, its fate!!

 

[Timmy-loves-Rabo]

A victory for pathetic negative football !

 

[The Cobra]

CHELSEA!!!!

Cant believe we finally beat the Germans on penalties!

 

[The Cobra]

Also Drogba, what a legend. A complete player.

 

[pmcg76]

A victory for pathetic negative football !

Yep, not just in this game but over a series of games. I cannot think of more undeserving winners, have to go back to Red Star Belgrade in 1990. Maybe there have been others in between but I really cant think of any.

As I said, their name was on the trophy and nothing was going to change that.

 

[Stingray34]

Are you watching, Arsenal?

No Champions League for Dropspur next year, they're gonna lose all their stars,

There's only one team in London,

And Blue is the colour!!!

 

[l.Harm]

Thanks for all the interesting responses. I must say I enjoy watching football on TV but I very much dislike the general atmosphere in the stadiums. Granted I have not been to many big matches so I don't have much experience to draw from, but my few visits have been enough to really turn me off.

Last September for example I went to see the Champions Leage match between Marseille and Dortmund. I got the cheapest tickets, which was in the "Virage Nord", the most notorious part of the stadium apparently. But before and during the game you were mostly supposed to participate in insulting chants towards the fans of the other team. Usually calling them gay and so on. I have an aversion of chanting anything in large groups, let alone calling people gay which I assume is seen as an insult among these people. It was odd though because people were also impressed by the performances that the other fans did. But then they would go back to calling them gay and so on. Someone told me they were surprised that the fans of Dortmund got placed so closely to the Virage Nord, "if this was the fans of PSG, you would see all kinds of objects flying their way".

Most people were drunk or high, the general atmosphere was quite agressive. Luckily Marseille won 3-0 and there were no controversial decisions in the game, I wouldn't want to know how the atmosphere would have been in that case. After the goals people freak out and there is a giant moshpit, but since it's on ranks and not on flat ground it's freakishly dangerous. During one of these moshpits my friend got his nacklace ripped from his neck and almost got strangled. On the way home I saw the buses of the Dortmund fans, each one escorted by two police vans.

And I'd like to reiterate that this was a very uncontroversial game with half the stadium empty due to renovations and with a very good outcome for the home team. I think it's just sad to see that this kind of group mentality attracts so many people, even if all the group does is insult others, get drunk and do moshpits. If I had kids I wouldn't take them to a game, not even to the safe areas where there is seating, the general atmosphere is just way too hateful and agressive.

I have been to MLB, MLS and NFL games and the atmosphere is completely different. Baseball is completely peaceful and NFL and MLS are a little crazier and people are more drunk but still it all seems like one big party and not some kind of a war between fans. I feel like people really go there to see the sport and to celebrate the sport, rather than get their heads smashed in. Maybe it has to do with the very strict alcohol rules in the US or maybe also with the fact that not many fans can afford to fly across a continent just to see their team play. Maybe it also has to do with the fact that a lot of teams come and go quite quickly so there is no time for a fan "culture" (as they like to call it in Germany) to grow. But when I think about all the hate and violence the word "culture" seems grossly inappropriate!

Well, in France OM (Marseille) and PSG have the most agressive fans. At PSG even some groups of supporters fight with eatch other

Have to say I've get used to some degree of agression since I'm fan of Feyenoord. Have to say sometimes I got agressive, too. Saying the fans of other teams are gay is nothing for me

But it doesn't surprise me in the US it's completely different. There's a total different sport culture and it may be the only thing in which they're smarter than us, European people

 

[The Hitch]

France Germany Scotland, what is all this crap. my Turkish friends boast about the various weapons they use in derbies and the violence can get really dark.

I asked a this fernebace fan what he thought of galatasary fans murdering 2 Leeds fans and he said that he heard Leeds fans were wiping galatasary flags on their, cough, and so they deserved it.

And that's from someone who finds nothing more.enjoyable than ripping out chairs from the stadium and using them to smash galatasary fans over the head.

 

[l.Harm]

France Germany Scotland, what is all this crap. my Turkish friends boast about the various weapons they use in derbies and the violence can get really dark.

I asked a this fernebace fan what he thought of galatasary fans murdering 2 Leeds fans and he said that he heard Leeds fans were wiping galatasary flags on their, cough, and so they deserved it.

And that's from someone who finds nothing more.enjoyable than ripping out chairs from the stadium and using them to smash galatasary fans over the head.

Holland is worse than Germany I think.

And you forget about South-America, espacially Argentina

 

[The Hitch]

Holland is worse than Germany I think.

And you forget about South-America, espacially Argentina

I was talking only about turkey so i did not forget anyone.

 

[l.Harm]

I remember Van Persie getting attacked by Ajax fans in a reserve game when he played for Feyenoord.

Indeed, that match was the reason Arsenal bought him. There were doubts about his mentality, but he stayed calm there.

There was one player who had to go to the hospital, Jorge Acuña. He had a concussion. That's why the reserve games between Ajax and Feyenoord are not at the training complex but in both stadiums, without fans

 

[Christian]

Can't help but feel a little bad for Bayern even though I'm not at all a fan. They played a great season but in the end they come out empty handed. Chelsea's victory reminds me a bit of Greece's victory in the 2004 European Championships. Although they were much bigger outsiders of course. But they knew they had inferior quality and played accordingly ... and won in the end. Certainly there were many better teams than Chelsea this year but they still made it. Congratulations, I would like to see the party Abramovich is throwing tonight

 

[palmerq]

5 times from england in the champions league next season again :S.... I am disapoint

 

[Ragerod]

Still only four teams qualify. Chelsea are in at the expense of Tottenham and I think Arsenal will have to play a qualifier.

 

[pmcg76]

The biggest team in London.

Thats the team who have financially doped all their way to their trophies since 2003 when Abramovich took over and who has put over a billion into the club. Get back to me when you can win trophies on a self sufficient basis. Thats what clubs like Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Bayern Munich have done. Classy clubs who have built success and fanbases through the right way. Everyone one of their trophies have been won financially through self sufficient means. The same logic to Chelsea applies to City who have financially cheated their way to the Premier League also.

If Chelsea tried to run their club properly like the ones I just mentioned they would end up nowhere. I don't got the time of the day for Chelsea and City who for me have distorted the market and ruined it for clubs who are run properly.

I really hope FFP works but I have big doubts myself about that.

Ah I see, only the traditional big clubs are allowed to have money and keep football as a nice cosy cartel for themselves. Remind me where you are from and you support a team from where? There is nothing worse than a ****ing bandwagon jumper preaching about so called ethics in English football. Major BS and the reason I dislike all the bandwagon riders in Ireland regardless of alliance.

 

[palmerq]

Still only four teams qualify. Chelsea are in at the expense of Tottenham and I think Arsenal will have to play a qualifier.

that is not what happened when liverpool won it and finished 5th or whever they ended up, they let 5 in that year

 

[The Hitch]

that is not what happened when liverpool won it and finished 5th or whever they ended up, they let 5 in that year

Thats because the PL decided at the beginning of that season that in the very unlikely event that 1 team won the champions league but did not finish in the top 4, they would not get into the next years cl.

Only the top 4 of the PL would.

But then Liverpool fans went into outrage and starte protesting and writing petitions so they were allowed to start the cl from stage 1 which meant they had to play the irish champions on pitch 4 of the local park in July.

 

[l.Harm]

Spot on.

Arsenal chief scout Steve Rowley was at the game.

Yes, I know.

Btw, Arsenal doesn't have to play qualification games, Anderlecht will go to the 4th round because Belgium have the lowest 'country coefficients' of the directly placed clubs So you can imagine not only at Spurs there were lots of Bayern fans, but also in Brussels.

 

[l.Harm]

For Liverpool a 'special exemption' (wikipedia) was made by the UEFA. I believe thereafter they changed the rules and that's why now Chelsea has qualified for Champions League automatically. But it's ridicolous imo Spurs now don't have CL and Anderlecht have to play qualifiers.

 

[palmerq]

time for a new petition then to get tottenham back in the champions league :S

 

[plooton]

Big Congrats to Chelsea. How lucky they must be now they fired Villas-Boas, the one intended to remove all the proved pillars as Drogba, Čech, Terry, Lampard - the leaders who finally have managed the team to the CL Cup.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

The biggest team in London.

Thats the team who have financially doped all their way to their trophies since 2003 when Abramovich took over and who has put over a billion into the club. Get back to me when you can win trophies on a self sufficient basis. Thats what clubs like Arsenal, Man Utd, Liverpool and Bayern Munich have done. Classy clubs who have built success and fanbases through the right way. Everyone one of their trophies have been won financially through self sufficient means. The same logic to Chelsea applies to City who have financially cheated their way to the Premier League also.

If Chelsea tried to run their club properly like the ones I just mentioned they would end up nowhere. I don't got the time of the day for Chelsea and City who for me have distorted the market and ruined it for clubs who are run properly.

I really hope FFP works but I have big doubts myself about that.

+1. Financial doping is even worse than medical doping, because it really is a few bad apples sc****ng the vast majority.

 

[DominicDecoco]

That was a f****** rotten result.