The Real Football Thread

[gooner]

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Lmao Arsene has finally bought two players!!

Spanish Jamie Vardy lel. Even wears a cast on his wrist..

He should be an upgrade over Walcott atleast. Giroud still much better though but they need player to run in behind. Perez should be able to do that from RW.

At the euros I really saw how mediocre a.player giroud is.
Strong in the box, sure, but mediocre outside the box. Imo not an arsenal man.
On the plus side, he has good team spirit and positive attitude.
I guess that and him being French is what has kept arsene from booting him.

We're going into the 5th season in a row with Giroud as our main striker. That isn't good enough. I think the attraction of playing for Arsenal isn't quite there as it once was. Players see it as a faded force and no ambition or pressure on Wenger to perform and compete for the big trophies.

Vardy turned them down and Ben Yedder as well when he went to Sevilla.

 

[sniper]

Cheers and good point.
The bergkamp Henry times seem like a long time ago.
We still have to give credit to Arlene for really bringing that type of game to the premier league.
But not sure where he lost contact with new developments.
It could be a medical thing (clinic) or a mentality thing or as you've suggested terrible transfer policy. Or a combination

 

[del1962]

Krul goes to Ajax on loan, still injured though, wonder if he will get a first ream place there.

Arsenal fans doing themselves no favours by moaning about Wenger (ask ebandit), he transformed Arsenal from a team every other fan hated (remember George Grahams nasty spiteful brand of football) to a team ppl like to watch.

Bwahahaha. Big fat Sam for England. That'll get them playing decent footy.

Busby, Paisley, Ferguson, Huynckes, Guardiola, Mourinho, Van Gaal, Hiddink, Cruyff, Beckenbauer could all have spells as managers of England, but the players will always find a way to c*ck it up.

Should have appointed Clough all those years ago, anyway big fat heed will be entertaining (not the football) in charge of England, i have given up on them winning anything anyway

 

[Billie]

It shows how great Wenger's transfer plans are, that they were offered Lucas Perez last month and they turned down the opportunity to sign him. I've seen quite a bit of him, he was linked with a few big clubs last season. He's decent but I still don't see him as good enough for what Arsenal need.

I had to laugh (again) at hearing Arsenal's opening offer for Mustafi was 18m euros. They could have signed him a lot earlier had they put up the cash. Wenger's dithering in the market costed us again. He could have been available for the Liverpool game and have played alongside Koscielny if it wasn't for Wenger giving too much time off after the Euros. A likely different outcome in that game then. Poor planning again this summer and we're already playing catch up.

He couldn't have played against Liverpool. Wasn't fit and training alone with Valencia. Only played one half this week

 

[Brullnux]

The Champions League gets ever closer to becoming a European Super League...

 

[Gigs_98]

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The Champions League gets ever closer to becoming a European Super League...

This reform is the worst thing I have ever seen from the uefa, and the uefa has done a lot of bad things in the last years. They basically make it impossible for countries like Austria to have a team in the champions league and give even more money to the already rich clubs. If the last of champions leagues have shown us one thing, then it was that it's extremely boring to always have the same 3 clubs in the semi final.
What makes me even more angry is the reaction from the Bayern chairman Karl-Heinz Rummenigge who said about the reform that it is a very respectable and fair decision and that he is especially happy that the European football community stays united. Yeah very fair to make rich clubs even richer and he should just shut up about the "community stays united" bulls*it. This d*ckhead and his European Club Association threatened the uefa to not compete in their tournaments anymore if they don't do what he wants and now he is happy that the uefa stays united although he was one of the guys who had the idea to exit the uefa.

 

[sniper]

Bayern must be one of the lamest clubs out there.
First they buy out their competition, in this case Borussia Dortmund (Goethe, Lewa, Hummels), so that the bundesliga is and stays a one team joke. I really have never seen anything similar in another league.
Second they had a criminal as president. The guy got convicted, three years in jail, just got out, and is now favourite to become president again.
Third, well what gigs98 says.
Fourth, they're Germans.

 

[jsem94]

Hoeness is a joke. I hope Dortmund win the league. The squad depth of them is also insane, and they can actually challenge for the league. Ancelotti even with his insane Milan with Nesta, Maldini, Seedorf, Kaka etc had more success in the CL than in the league.

 

[gooner]

It shows how great Wenger's transfer plans are, that they were offered Lucas Perez last month and they turned down the opportunity to sign him. I've seen quite a bit of him, he was linked with a few big clubs last season. He's decent but I still don't see him as good enough for what Arsenal need.

I had to laugh (again) at hearing Arsenal's opening offer for Mustafi was 18m euros. They could have signed him a lot earlier had they put up the cash. Wenger's dithering in the market costed us again. He could have been available for the Liverpool game and have played alongside Koscielny if it wasn't for Wenger giving too much time off after the Euros. A likely different outcome in that game then. Poor planning again this summer and we're already playing catch up.

He couldn't have played against Liverpool. Wasn't fit and training alone with Valencia. Only played one half this week

That's true but point is, Wenger still wouldn't have signed him by now. He's more interested in playing a poker game over prices and dithering in the process of signing players. Clubs can see straight through it as Aulas did with Lacazette.

 

[gooner]

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Krul goes to Ajax on loan, still injured though, wonder if he will get a first ream place there.

Arsenal fans doing themselves no favours by moaning about Wenger (ask ebandit), he transformed Arsenal from a team every other fan hated (remember George Grahams nasty spiteful brand of football) to a team ppl like to watch.

Del, he's been brilliant for Arsenal. I don't think the Arsenal fans who want change will forget what he has achieved. This is now and he's been found wanting in the transfer market one too many times in recent seasons with his planning. It's not just either about playing football that is easy on the eye. It's about winning football. I'm sick of watching his teams play high defensive lines without no pressure on the ball, consistently caught on the counter attack and being tactically outsmarted.

I wouldn't be as dismissive of Graham's achievements either. He was highly successful but nonetheless irrespective of the Pal Lyndersen incident, his time was coming to an end regardless as results weren't up to it. I'd much rather a team that was hated for winning than playing nice football that flatters to deceive and achieves little.

Do Atletico fans want the type of football Simeone plays, or a pretty football team that flatters to deceive and wins little? That's another thing, I don't think Arsenal have been as good to watch since '11 when Nasri and Cesc left. I see that play more in patches nowadays than the consistent levels that they produced in the past. The pretty football stuff is largely a myth now.

This is not the same Wenger I see now. He had a ruthless streak in his earlier years. He wasn't afraid to shake things up(Petit, Overmars) and move players on quickly who weren't good enough even after paying big money(Richard Wright, Jeffers,). Now he has no problem playing Giroud for the 5th season running as our man striker and paying Theo Walcott £140,000pw in his 11th season at the club.

He's finished as an elite manager and the stats show it. He's turned into a spin doctor to deflect from his failures as a manager. That comment about paying 600 club staff shows it.

No other elite club would put up with this talk. Only Arsenal and Kroenke and that's why they are a faded force that are going nowhere.

 

[gooner]

Henry assistant manager to Martinez with Belgium.

 

[jsem94]

Not sure what that will mean in terms of his influence on squad selection and setup, Martinez will probably be calling the shots, but he'll be gaining invaluable experience ahead of his managerial debut which will come eventually. Maybe even at Arsenal in the future.

And on the topic of Atleti fans. They love Simeone. He is box office, and his Atleti team is as well. I know Interisti would love him at the club as he fits in with the identity of the club. In the same vein of Herrera and Mourinho, both defensive managers.

 

[sniper]

What were Liverpool thinking buying wijnaldum?
Talking about mediocrity.

 

[jsem94]

LMFAO at Milan's defeat to Napoli. Two men sent off and Romagnoli own goal despite trying to save his mistake by doing a GK save with his hand. The ref let him off mercifully because they had already had two men sent off. Napoli won 4-2 with Milik getting on the scoresheet.

 

[Billie]

LMFAO to Inter for paying 45 mill for Jaoa Mario

 

[sniper]

lmfao at Inter thinking Frank De Boer is the real deal.

Newsflash: he's not.

 

[Billie]

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lmfao at Inter thinking Frank De Boer is the real deal.

Newsflash: he's not.

everything is setting up for Simeone to go there next summer

 

[jsem94]

Atletico making a poor start to the season may be the writing on the wall that it's time for another project. If de Boer also fails it could be great for us interisti to get him in. I haven't exactly been impressed by de Boer anyway, it may have been the wrong move to sack Mancini. Wasn't a fan of Mancini, but sacking him two weeks prior to the start of the season was the wrong move.

45m for Joao Mario is insane though. I never thought he looked more than average in the euros and haven't been shockingly impressed by the little I've seen of him in Portugal. There is talk of a swap deal between Brozovic and Fabregas.

IMO Fabregas is a world class midfielder on his day and he would fit in perfectly as a regista or trequartista. A 4-3-3 with Fabregas, Banega and Medel would feel so much better than using Kondogbia or Felipe Melo.

 

[sniper]

Beckenbauer indicted by Swiss justice department.
I hope they make an example of him. They won't. But hope dies last.

 

[jsem94]

Witsel left waiting at Juve HQ for 13 hrs while clubs negotiated his move. Zenit ended up blocking the deal and since he only has a year left on his contract he will move for free next summer. Really *** of Zenit.

 

[Brullnux]

Immobile just scored. Incredible.What's next, next year's Veulta without any uphill finishes?

Edit: it's ok, he just missed a ridiculously easy shot. Normal proceedings have returned.

 

[BigMac]

Complete apathy from Portugal's defence and, above all, midfield. William de Carvalho is just infuriatingly overrated. How he was considered best player of the U23 WC over Bernardo Silva is beyond me.

Switzerland with two counters ending up in goal, although one indirectly. Well done.

 

[BigMac]

Ref is influenced and intimidated by the EC badge on Portugal's jersey.

 

[jsem94]

They didn't look like the same team that won the Euros.

Sweden drew Vs Netherlands. We got away with one, only because as rubbish as we are, the Dutch aren't too far away from being worse than us despite having a far better squad.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

The Netherlands have been terrible recently, but they did okayish against Sweden. In my opinion you guys were pretty lucky to get away with this. We had a bunch of pretty good chances; with a little bit of luck one of them could easily have been a goal (although your keeper also just made one or two great saves). Furthermore, Dost actually scored what should've have been the winner; why the ref didn't count that goal I still don't understand. He didn't do any pushing beyond what you see every time when two guys are trying to head the same ball.