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It's obvious that they are planning with him for the Tour and not saying it in public because of the pressure.

German GC rider with a big engine? German media would right away start the next Ulle campaign and raise the question if he could beat Pogi.

No Giro because he gets easily sick in the cold weather.
 
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Lipowitz's schedule doesn't seem great, I think he could be ready to be co-leader in the Vuelta but with Martinez doing Giro-Tour maybe he will end up as a mountain domestique in the Tour.
Hm don’t know about that. He races for three years now, not sure if he is mentally ready to co lead a GT.
I think to be Captain at the Dauphine is pretty much ideal for him this year
 
It's obvious that they are planning with him for the Tour and not saying it in public because of the pressure.

German GC rider with a big engine? German media would right away start the next Ulle campaign and raise the question if he could beat Pogi.

No Giro because he gets easily sick in the cold weather.
Yeah, that's also my impression.
I hope that Hindley will be an actual co-leader at the Giro with chances to ride for himself. He has won Bora their first gt + a Tour mountain stage and Yellow Jersey for one day, but there's the risk of him drawing the short straw with Roglic there, just like this year.
With multiple UAE leaders and the potential meme-tactics it is good to have another rider who can mark attacks, so that their moves might backfire.
 
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Yeah, that's also my impression.
I hope that Hindley will be an actual co-leader at the Giro with chances to ride for himself. He has won Bora their first gt + a Tour mountain stage and Yellow Jersey for one day, but there's the risk of him drawing the short straw with Roglic there, just like this year.
With multiple UAE leaders and the potential meme-tactics it is good to have another rider who can mark attacks, so that their moves might backfire.
Roglic, Hindley and DFM should be enough to counter every move UAE will make.
Most important thing is that Hindley will be back in his peak shape.
 
Yeah, that's also my impression.
I hope that Hindley will be an actual co-leader at the Giro with chances to ride for himself. He has won Bora their first gt + a Tour mountain stage and Yellow Jersey for one day, but there's the risk of him drawing the short straw with Roglic there, just like this year.
With multiple UAE leaders and the potential meme-tactics it is good to have another rider who can mark attacks, so that their moves might backfire.
It's Hindley's fault for being very inconsistent. After that Giro he got 7th in Tour and 9th in Vuelta while being the sole leader. His TT is still really bad. Against the UAE guys he will get cooked.
 
It's Hindley's fault for being very inconsistent. After that Giro he got 7th in Tour and 9th in Vuelta while being the sole leader. His TT is still really bad. Against the UAE guys he will get cooked.
Tbf, he got a stage win and 1 day in the yellow jersey out of that Tour and was a top 5/podium candidate before the crash on stage 14 and it's effects. Alongside Gall and Carlos Rodriguez he was one of the very few gc riders besides the top 2 who got a stage win and was visible.
Also, a stage win + yellow jersey for even one day was already a big thing for Bora.
That said, he seems to be more of a Giro guy and I'm not that afraid of those UAE guys in a gt, compared to a one week stage race. Del Toro is the wildcard, but otherwise Roglic + Hindley should be able to handle them.
 
Tbf, he got a stage win and 1 day in the yellow jersey out of that Tour and was a top 5/podium candidate before the crash on stage 14 and it's effects. Alongside Gall and Carlos Rodriguez he was one of the very few gc riders besides the top 2 who got a stage win and was visible.
Also, a stage win + yellow jersey for even one day was already a big thing for Bora.
That said, he seems to be more of a Giro guy and I'm not that afraid of those UAE guys in a gt, compared to a one week stage race. Del Toro is the wildcard, but otherwise Roglic + Hindley should be able to handle them.
For a Giro winner it was terrible, 14 minutes behind. Should've been a podium given the competition. Yates got 3rd as a domestique. He and TGH are the worst Giro winners since Hesjedal.
 
For a Giro winner it was terrible, 14 minutes behind. Should've been a podium given the competition. Yates got 3rd as a domestique. He and TGH are the worst Giro winners since Hesjedal.
I mean, looking at their palmares compared to everyone else who has won the Giro since then that's pretty much a fact. Still, the fact that Hindley has a podium + the win and gc top 10 results in all other gts already makes him a lot less of a fluke than TGH (who just can't stay healthy).
 
Hm don’t know about that. He races for three years now, not sure if he is mentally ready to co lead a GT.
I think to be Captain at the Dauphine is pretty much ideal for him this year

The thing is that if Vlasov coming from the Tour is good enough to be co-leader in the Vuelta then why not a fresh Lipowitz that was 7th in his debut this season?
 
Again, it’s not about Talent or Form. It is about mental load and experience.

It will be Lipowitz third season as a pro, I don't see why he would lack the experience to co-lead Red Bull in the Vuelta with Hindley and if he is indeed peaking for the Dauphiné then peaking again for the Vuelta probably makes more sense than extending his peak until the Tour where he would be a domestique for Roglič.
 
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It will be Lipowitz third season as a pro, I don't see why he would lack the experience to co-lead Red Bull in the Vuelta with Hindley and if he is indeed peaking for the Dauphiné then peaking again for the Vuelta probably makes more sense than extending his peak until the Tour where he would be a domestique for Roglič.
Because its also about the Team. You Need a happy Vlasov, a happy Hindley and also a happy Lipowitz. No Need to Rush for Lipowitz this year - and if he will be so outstanding until the Vuelta you can always change Plans. Vlasov showed over the years that he is a consistent Rider that can compete on a very high Level, Hindley won one grand tour and was on the Podium of one. So why you should Not allow them to Ride and prepare for a grand tour? The time for Lipowitz will come and if he is showing in the spring and during the dauphine that he is much better than the Rest you can always change Plans (and Bora did this often, ask the Sprinters Ackermann and Welsford or Buchmann at this years Giro).
 
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Anyone thought that there is a different path for Lipo to GT success or if maybe GT is not his thing and there is a WT week long stage plan in place like Dauphine, Tirreno, Catalunya etc and focus on a vital key domestique in GT to leaders like Roglic?

I do not know its just a though pattern here.
 
It will be Lipowitz third season as a pro, I don't see why he would lack the experience to co-lead Red Bull in the Vuelta with Hindley and if he is indeed peaking for the Dauphiné then peaking again for the Vuelta probably makes more sense than extending his peak until the Tour where he would be a domestique for Roglič.
Being Captain at Sibiu Tour is quite different compared to being the guy at a GT. Seriously he barely has experience at leading a team. Just let him learn from Roglic, Hindley and Vlasov.
 
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Because its also about the Team. You Need a happy Vlasov, a happy Hindley and also a happy Lipowitz. No Need to Rush for Lipowitz this year - and if he will be so outstanding until the Vuelta you can always change Plans. Vlasov showed over the years that he is a consistent Rider that can compete on a very high Level, Hindley won one grand tour and was on the Podium of one. So why you should Not allow them to Ride and prepare for a grand tour? The time for Lipowitz will come and if he is showing in the spring and during the dauphine that he is much better than the Rest you can always change Plans (and Bora did this often, ask the Sprinters Ackermann and Welsford or Buchmann at this years Giro).

I literally said Hindley should be a Red Bull leader for the Vuelta and he will be a protected rider in the Giro anyway. Vlasov will be a protected rider in the Tour and knowing Roglič's history in that race, there is a good chance he will find himself with freedom to pursue his own goals. I understand that you are being cautious with Lipowitz but as a rider that already proved that he can do a top10 in a Grand Tour only in his second year as a pro in my opinion he deserves the freedom to chase his own goals if Roglič is not riding in that same GT and while time is on his side, injuries can quickly derail a riders career so better take his chances when he can.
 
Being Captain at Sibiu Tour is quite different compared to being the guy at a GT. Seriously he barely has experience at leading a team. Just let him learn from Roglic, Hindley and Vlasov.
How much experience did Pogacar have at leading a team when he finished his first Vuelta on the podium?

Sporting level is by far the most important factor. Experience means nothing if you don't have the legs. However, good legs have secured fantastic results to many inexperienced riders in the past. And you gain experience at leading a team by leading a team, not by watching other riders.

I don't know what's the thing on this forum that so many posters seem to push the idea that very good riders are not yet ready for something.
 
How much experience did Pogacar have at leading a team when he finished his first Vuelta on the podium?

Sporting level is by far the most important factor. Experience means nothing if you don't have the legs. However, good legs have secured fantastic results to many inexperienced riders in the past. And you gain experience at leading a team by leading a team, not by watching other riders.

I don't know what's the thing on this forum that so many posters seem to push the idea that very good riders are not yet ready for something.
I think with the Lipopotamus it's more about keeping the German media and their "next Ulle" hype at bay...