Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[CyclistAbi]

I don't think anyone who isn't called 'Tadej' or 'Jonas' has much of a chance of winning the Tour.

That is a bit o a doomer take on it, saying that unless the team signs Pogi or Jonas, that they can't win the Tour. Or even, as said in original remark, they don't have high-level domestiques at their disposal. Of course they have both, leader capable of winning the Tour and enough high-level domestiques to form a good support team. So if the pieces haven't yet connected, then there is still some work left to do. I am rather sure that at Tour 2025 this will already be better, then before. Leader in great shape and support stepping up, when needed the most.

 

[AupaPyama]

Wandahl should call UNO X. Chance is high that they have guaranteed starting places in G/T/V next year so they need climbers. And ofc he's Danish.

As for RedBull, I was a fan from NetApp onwards and of course with the Sagan-saga. They had this eastern Europa profile with riders from Germany, Austria, Poland and Chech republic/Slowakia. But nowadays they want to be an international big money team without the right set up (for now). I'm not a fan anymore.

 

[AmRacer]

That is a bit o a doomer take on it, saying that unless the team signs Pogi or Jonas, that they can't win the Tour. Or even, as said in original remark, they don't have high-level domestiques at their disposal. Of course they have both, leader capable of winning the Tour and enough high-level domestiques to form a good support team. So if the pieces haven't yet connected, then there is still some work left to do. I am rather sure that at Tour 2025 this will already be better, then before. Leader in great shape and support stepping up, when needed the most.

But will it be Pogi or Jonas? That's the question.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Wandahl should call UNO X. Chance is high that they have guaranteed starting places in G/T/V next year so they need climbers. And ofc he's Danish.

As for RedBull, I was a fan from NetApp onwards and of course with the Sagan-saga. They had this eastern Europa profile with riders from Germany, Austria, Poland and Chech republic/Slowakia. But nowadays they want to be an international big money team without the right set up (for now). I'm not a fan anymore.

Note that Slovenia is a part of Central Europe, but still. On top of that they still have riders from Germany, Austria ... youngsters too.

But will it be Pogi or Jonas? That's the question.

World doesn't evolve around this two riders as much as some would like to make you believe. For example neither of them is riding as a lead for Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe and that says a lot.

 

[AmRacer]

Note that Slovenia is a part of Central Europe, but still. On top of that they still have riders from Germany, Austria ... youngsters too.



World doesn't evolve around this two riders as much as some would like to make you believe. For example neither of them is riding as a lead for Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe and that says a lot.

Yeah, they are riding for better teams.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Yeah, they are riding for better teams.

Nah we good!

 

[AmRacer]

Nah we good!

But not good enough.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

With such leader and such team behind a leader, more then good enough to win the Tour.

 

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

With such leader and such team behind a leader, more then good enough to win the Tour.

Nope, not really.

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

I don't blame you for it, going along with the flow, buying into Pogi vs Jonas craze. It's a rather common thing in cycling, you tend to be as good as your last race was, after not so much. There where people literary swearing on ES, that del Toro will win the Giro.

 

[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

I don't blame you for it, going along with the flow, buying into Pogi vs Jonas craze. It's a rather common thing in cycling, you tend to be as good as your last race was, after not so much. There where people literary swearing on ES, that del Toro will win the Giro.

Rogla crashed in his last race, and how many were those people? Why should we care about what they said?

 

[CyclistAbi]

@AmRacer

I was reminded in Rogličes thread that this isn't going anywhere and i tend to agree. So that i guess is that for now. The rest can be sorted out at the Tour.

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[AmRacer]

@AmRacer

I was reminded in Rogličes thread that this isn't going anywhere and i tend to agree. So that i guess is that for now. The rest can be sorted out at the Tour.

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Agree.

 

[Red Rick]

Realistically, I think they were about equal in status going into the 2022 Tour. Either that or he was already supposed to be the lightning rod at that point.

 

[Links2003]

I don't quite understand the discussion here. It's not a real discussion because there aren't many arguments being exchanged.

Is it currently possible to win the Tour? If Pogi and Jonas are fit, it's certainly very difficult. And Remco as well. But riders can also drop out, as the Giro has shown.

The team can be more than strong enough. You don't even need to have the best team if you don't have to defend a jersey all the time. Jai, Martinez, Lipo, Guilio, maybe Vlasov. Behind them Aleotti and Zwiehoff. Fisher-Black. The selection for the mountains alone would be more than good enough.

But with all the changes in the last 2 years, it's no longer the Band of Brothers. A strong team structure is important. See Lidl. It has to be clear who is the helper and when, and then you have to give your all in that role.

UAE has shown that this is difficult. Super strong across the board at the Giro but not always 120% commitment to their colleagues.

In theory, a lot is possible in the future if the roles are clear. Unfortunately, theory is not always the same as practice.