Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Red Rick]

I have the fix guys. It's not signing new riders, but a new DS.

I have a new DS in mind.

His name is Antonio Conte

 

[Filippo_3467]

If Roglic shoulder is really hurt I think they will change plans and bring Lipowitz to the Tour. of course not with the Goal of podium but more as a let's rolle the dice and see like with Kämna a few years ago. They could also bring van Poppel and Meeus to try for a surprise sprint victory. Maybe it's possible to get van Gils into form again?

Martinez and Tratnik can be left out of the team if roglic doesn't start.

 

[Rackham]

If Roglic shoulder is really hurt I think they will change plans and bring Lipowitz to the Tour. of course not with the Goal of podium but more as a let's rolle the dice and see like with Kämna a few years ago. They could also bring van Poppel and Meeus to try for a surprise sprint victory. Maybe it's possible to get van Gils into form again?

Martinez and Tratnik can be left out of the team if roglic doesn't start.

Lipowitz was already going to the Tour.

Their problem isn't Lipowitz or Rog. They're fine (as long as the latter can recover from his injuries). Their problem is everyone else. I mean yes the gravel crash was seriously unfortunate (Lucas Hamilton going down and initiating the pile up) but by that time Rog was totally isolated in the front bunch. There were literally no team mates around him anymore.

Bora is basically a shadow of what it was 3 years ago when they used their team strength to beat Carapaz and Ineos in the Giro with Hindley. Something has gone awry.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I wouldn't delve too much into it, that is it's reasonable to expect some *** like that to emerge when you are a bit down:

Roglic als Millionen-Problem - Chance für Lipowitz?

www.sueddeutsche.de

It's all over this forum too, ageism. Furthermore i don't feel youngsters like Lipowitz or Pellizzari are representing any real issue here. They earned their spot and i am sure that leadership role is open. And even the critics admit, that replacing Rogla with such youngsters, that doesn't come down to winning GTs, especially Tour. So basically they are creating problems and not offering better solutions. In the end they need Rogla, it's not like there is a choice involved, he is consistent stage racing powerhouse. As for the more mature support riders, lets see on how week three goes. And Jai can't really be blamed for getting injured, so who knows on what level of support we would see in week three from his side. Week three of Giro and then the Tour, then we can asses some more. If there was improvement being made in regards to the team support. One of the biggest issues still remaining is positioning. Team can do a great job at it or still can fall short.

 

[Oldman]

I wouldn't delve too much into it, that is it's reasonable to expect some *** like that to emerge when you are a bit down:

Roglic als Millionen-Problem - Chance für Lipowitz?

www.sueddeutsche.de

It's all over this forum too, ageism. Furthermore i don't feel youngsters like Lipowitz or Pellizzari are representing any real issue here. They earned their spot and i am sure that leadership role is open. And even the critics admit, that replacing Rogla with such youngsters, that doesn't come down to winning GTs, especially Tour. So basically they are creating problems and not offering better solutions. In the end they need Rogla, it's not like there is a choice involved, he is consistent stage racing powerhouse. As for the more mature support riders, lets see on how week three goes. And Jai can't really be blamed for getting injured, so who knows on what level of support we would see in week three from his side. Week three of Giro and then the Tour, then we can asses some more. If there was improvement being made in regards to the team support. One of the biggest issues still remaining is positioning. Team can do a great job at it or still can fall short.

Time to invite Remco for coffee....

 

[Mayomaniac]

I wouldn't delve too much into it, that is it's reasonable to expect some *** like that to emerge when you are a bit down:

Roglic als Millionen-Problem - Chance für Lipowitz?

www.sueddeutsche.de

It's all over this forum too, ageism. Furthermore i don't feel youngsters like Lipowitz or Pellizzari are representing any real issue here. They earned their spot and i am sure that leadership role is open. And even the critics admit, that replacing Rogla with such youngsters, that doesn't come down to winning GTs, especially Tour. So basically they are creating problems and not offering better solutions. In the end they need Rogla, it's not like there is a choice involved, he is consistent stage racing powerhouse. As for the more mature support riders, lets see on how week three goes. And Jai can't really be blamed for getting injured, so who knows on what level of support we would see in week three from his side. Week three of Giro and then the Tour, then we can asses some more. If there was improvement being made in regards to the team support. One of the biggest issues still remaining is positioning. Team can do a great job at it or still can fall short.

I was gonna post the same, of course the German media will go full blown gc Lipopotamus at the Tour hypetrain now...
Honestly, with Lipowitz, Pellizzari and one of the most talented youngesters in the world on their developmental team (Lorenzo Finn) they should be fine for the future. Frankly Evenepoel over Roglic doesn't change a lot when it comes to gc potential at the Tour, unless he'd improve a ton after leaving Quickstep and I doubt that.

 

[Berniece]

Frankly Evenepoel over Roglic doesn't change a lot when it comes to gc potential at the Tour, unless he'd improve a ton after leaving Quickstep and I doubt that.

Then there just isn't a solution for Bora

 

[CyclistAbi]

@Mayomaniac

Up to a point i understand it and unfortunately Rogla will have to cope with ageism till the end of his career. Hopefully still long and fruitful career. Youngsters IMHO can get leadership opportunities plus good mentorship at this team. I don't see Rogla as an obstacle here, in terms of lets make Lipo Tour leader and problem of winning it resolved.

 

[red_flanders]

Frankly Evenepoel over Roglic doesn't change a lot when it comes to gc potential at the Tour, unless he'd improve a ton after leaving Quickstep and I doubt that.

Tend to agree, though you can see where a team might bet on Evenepoel improving versus Roglic declining.

The question I have is why would Evenepoel come to Bora from a performance/career POV? They've yet to show they're a great place to be a GT/GC contender. Sure, money and Specialized are reasons, but I wonder if they have any/much appeal beyond that for a rider like Remco.

 

[Berniece]

Tend to agree, though you can see where a team might bet on Evenepoel improving versus Roglic declining.

The question I have is why would Evenepoel come to Bora from a performance/career POV? They've yet to show they're a great place to be a GT/GC contender. Sure, money and Specialized are reasons, but I wonder if they have any/much appeal beyond that for a rider like Remco.

The budget to get the best of the best in every regard? The idea that he’s better surrounded there, and they are able to get the best out of him and his career?

At least that’s what I think they are using as a selling point.

 

[Remy55]

Lipowitz, Pellizzari and Finn looks really promising for the future.

Herzog looks to be on the right track too.

 

[red_flanders]

The budget to get the best of the best in every regard? The idea that he’s better surrounded there, and they are able to get the best out of him and his career?

At least that’s what I think they are using as a selling point.

Yeah fair, I'm just unconvinced that's actually the case, despite my misgivings about him remaining at SQS.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Time to invite Remco for coffee....

I mean, Rogla had to abandon the Giro, due to crashes and injuries, Remco likely couldn't have start the Giro, due to crashes and injuries. Coffee riders.

 

[Links2003]

In my opinion, Roglic showed at the Giro that he is still one of the best riders in the peloton. Today's race also showed that without another crash in bad weather, something might even have been possible today. Even in the overall classification.
RBH will continue on his way. Guilio and Lipo will be the hope. There are also exciting riders in the rookies team.
The only thing you have to check: Why so many riders are falling short of expectations this year. Then things can quickly move in the right direction. We have enough riders for the overall rankings. Jai is still there, Vlasov too. At least for smaller tours. Against Pogi and Vingegaard, there's hardly anything possible at the moment anyway.

 

[Oldman]

Tend to agree, though you can see where a team might bet on Evenepoel improving versus Roglic declining.

The question I have is why would Evenepoel come to Bora from a performance/career POV? They've yet to show they're a great place to be a GT/GC contender. Sure, money and Specialized are reasons, but I wonder if they have any/much appeal beyond that for a rider like Remco.

They might not insist he focus on GTs. Red Bull wants to promote winning riders. Remco and MvP are prime examples of a promotable, popular and charismatic athletes. Roglic can ride out his contract while they cultivate the next big thing....or poach one from another team.

 

[red_flanders]

They might not insist he focus on GTs. Red Bull wants to promote winning riders. Remco and MvP are prime examples of a promotable, popular and charismatic athletes. Roglic can ride out his contract while they cultivate the next big thing....or poach one from another team.

But Remco has really been pretty clear on his goals, and he wants to win GTs. Maybe that’s changed, but I would be a bit surprised?

 

[Oldman]

But Remco has really been pretty clear on his goals, and he wants to win GTs. Maybe that’s changed, but I would be a bit surprised?

Remco's been coached and managed in a vacuum.
The point of going to another situation is getting out from under national expectations and actually follow some serious/realistic planning. I don't know the guy, but it seems like he labors under the overhyped expectations that he can do anything. Not many GT winners grew up that way and then faced their day to day abilities at work disappointing an entire country when domination wasn't the outcome.
Free Remco!

 

[Berniece]

In my opinion, Roglic showed at the Giro that he is still one of the best riders in the peloton.

How so? What did he do that showed this? By riding a good TT?

 

[Links2003]

How so? What did he do that showed this? By riding a good TT?

He was in 5th position 2 days before the rest day. He had still all chances for a top 3 result or more. He was 2 days in the leader jersey. All that in the end is 3 crashes. So why do you think he was not in shape?

 

[Berniece]

He was in 5th position 2 days before the rest day. He had still all chances for a top 3 result or more. He was 2 days in the leader jersey. All that in the end is 3 crashes. So why do you think he was not in shape?

I never doubted he was one of the best in the peloton for GT's, I just don't think he showed it at the Giro

 

[Red Rick]

I never doubted he was one of the best in the peloton for GT's, I just don't think he showed it at the Giro

0.24 seconds away from the win in the stage 2 ITT while Tarling was considered to have had the better wind as well as catching his minute man.

 

[Berniece]

0.24 seconds away from the win in the stage 2 ITT while Tarling was considered to have had the better wind as well as catching his minute man.

Yeah that's what I asked Links2003. Is it purely because he rode a great ITT that would show he's one of the best? Because I don't see that as good enough. You can ride a good ITT, and still not be good. Look at Evenepoel in Dauphine 2024.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Are you guys seriously going to dispute Rogličes ability to win GTs? Good luck with that one. As ageism doesn't bear fruit, just say Rogla crashes a lot. Like the rest of the peloton, including Remco.

Anyway, if Remco wants to join Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe, that is ultimately his decision.

 

[Berniece]

Are you guys seriously going to dispute Rogličes ability to win GTs? Good luck with that one. As ageism doesn't bear fruit, just say Rogla crashes a lot. Like the rest of the peloton, including Remco.

Anyway, if Remco wants to join Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe, that is ultimately his decision.

Who is saying that? And what's with the ageism and crashing the whole time?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Who is saying that? And what's with the ageism and crashing the whole time?

Why would Red Bull – BORA – hansgrohe been seeking for new GT leader then, if Rogla still has it, isn't too old and doesn't crash more then others do?

As for who, for example you are doubting his performance at this GT, till stage 9 and the crash it was normal Rogla, the same as he been when winning other GTs. Especially week one was stellar. Without the crash and resulting injuries on stage 9 there is a very high chance he would lead the race ATM.