Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Statze2]

As we are in the last week of this yours TdF lets have a look on the line up for the last GT this year.

Some riders are nearly Safe. Like Hindley and Finn Fisher Black.
In the beginning of the Season it was also mentioned that Vlasov will ride the Vuelta as a leader. I believe that this decision could be under review as Vlasov is struggling a lot (due to health issues) and I think it would be more benefical if he is doing solide training, tackle some one day races and come back healthy and fit in 2026.

I see no one else of the Tour team doing the vuelta.
Zwiehoff was close to the TdF line up, I think he will ride the Vuelta. The newest media reports tell us that Pellizzari will also ride the Vuelta.
Its very likely that Sobrero and Tim van Dijke will also be at the start line.

So 7 riders are already in the squad, maybe just 6 if Bora is having the same thoughts about Vlasov.

Potential riders for the last one or two spots:

- Koch
- Wandahl
- Lazkano

Van Gils said several times, that he won´t do a GT in 2025 and that the Canadian races are a main goal for him. DFM mentioned that he is not a fan of the Vuelta so I think he will do the Italian races and the Canadian one day races.

Big question mark on Lazkano. Does anyone of you have news on his health and training status?
I don´t know if Wandahl will be fit enough. I think he will go for the one day races and no GT in 2026.

Maybe one of the young guns Herzog or Hajek is getting a shot here. Maciejuk, Denz and Tratnik are also outsiders for the line up.

If I could choose the line up, it would look like this:

- Hindley
- Pellizzari
- Finn Fisher Black
- Zwiehoff
- T. van Dijke
- Maciejuk
- Lazkano
- Sobrero

The team need some powerful riders for the TTT. FFB, Lazkano, van Dijke, Maciejuk and Sobrero could keep Hindley and Pellizzari in contact to the best teams in this discipline.

Zwiehoff could be the mountain domestique for Hindley and Pellizzari. The rest of the team would be free for stage hunting and support roles in the flat/hillier stages. Even if you need more mountain support FFB, Lazkano und Sobrero could be also turned into moutain domestiques for some stages.
My goal would be to get a top 5 in the GC and win one or two stages.

 

[Remy55]

Maciejuk should do the Vuelta, his coach posted something on Insta.

 

[Sciatic]

Bad timing with Van Poppel's youngster. He leaves the Tour before today's stage. The stage where the sprinters can still have hope and Meeus has probably recovered a bit from the crash. The sprints didn't really work out for RBH at the Tour - for various reasons. Danny would have been important today.
But of course it's right that he goes home. Congratulations!

Almost today though . . .

 

[Links2003]

As we are in the last week of this yours TdF lets have a look on the line up for the last GT this year.

I find that a very interesting question. It could be a very strong team. However, it depends on whether a few riders get in shape after all.

I also think that, contrary to the original plan, Vlasov will not be riding for the overall classification. Depending on how he comes out of the Tour, he'll be a helper and stage chaser.
- Hindley as the captain for the classement. (is he back on track?)
- Zwiehoff for the mountains
- Martinez (when he gets in shape, that was actually planned for the tour)
- Pellizzari (I hope not, at 21 you don't have to drive 2 GTs. I like the way UAE does it)
- Fisher-Black
- Koch or Denz for the flat
- Maciejuk ( i don't think so, but some one wrote he has a good chance)
- Lazkano (as an spanish rider - if he is back on track)
- Adria (spanish rider, good for stages)
- Sobrero
- M. van Dijk (as a helper)
- Wandahl (perhaps to much after his crash)

If everyone is fit, I hope for: Hindley, Vlasov, Martinez, Fisher-Black, Koch, Lazkano, Adria, Zwiehoff
Realistic I think it could be: Hindley (but not for GC), Fisher-Black, Koch, Adria, Sobrero, van Dijk, Maciejuk, Zwiehoff

 

[RedheadDane]

- Wandahl (perhaps to much after his crash)

According to Aldag, it does indeed depend on whether he has recovered from his concussion.

Storhold varsler snarlig grand tour-debut til dansker

Læs mere her.

www.bt.dk

Big team announces imminent grand tour debut for Dane

Cyclist Frederik Wandahl may be on his way to an imminent grand tour debut for Red Bull.

The Dane extended his contract with the German team earlier this week and stated on that occasion that one of his biggest goals is to ride for Red Bull in one of the three major stage races.

This could happen as early as the Vuelta a España, which begins at the end of August, if he has fully recovered from a concussion by then, says sports director Rolf Aldag.

"He has needed time to recover from his accident. We will definitely consider him for our Vuelta team, but only if his health allows it," says Aldag.

He explains that from the start of the season, Wandahl was expected to ride the Vuelta and thus try his hand at a three-week stage race, which the team considers an important part of his development.

- No one can really predict how the body will react after a grand tour. You have to have tried it, and from there you can build on it. He will definitely ride a grand tour, we all agree on that.

- If it doesn't make sense this time, then his grand tour debut will certainly come next year, says the experienced sports director.

The bolded bit is interesting. If it was the plan the entire time, did they forget to tell him? Considering his disappointment about not being selected for the Giro? I don't suppose they were planning on sending him to two GTs...

 

[acm]

I doubt Vlasov will go to Vuelta, he and his wife are also expecting a baby after TdF.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Baby boom team.

 

[dazaau]

You have to ask yourself what they were thinking today. So many tactical head scratches.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Yeah, the Lipo Bliz before the final climb really backfired. Lots of braindead racing by more than one team today...

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Yeah total fail all around. In a different world, Lipowitz and Roglic gained 5 minutes on Onley and are comfortably in 3/4 with the white jersey for Lipo. Or Roglic went with BOC and Pog and Vinge let him go and he rides to the stage win. Instead...

 

[skippo12]

If RedBull is serious about their longterm ambitions this should be the last race with Eisel and Gasparotto in the car. Monumental blunder.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

I don‘t think attacking before the final climb was that bad if you gain almost three minutes in the valley, but I guess Lipowitz could have noticed that he doesn’t have the legs.

 

[Mayomaniac]

I don‘t think attacking before the final climb was that bad if you gain almost three minutes in the valley, but I guess Lipowitz could have noticed that he doesn’t have the legs.

I do think it was a reaction to Rabo also pulling a Rabofail and sending Son Jorge on the attack, but who knows.

 

[dazaau]

Vodka + red bull in the team car today

 

[Filippo_3467]

I think it's mote on Lipowitz than the DS. This wasn't an attack of Lipo at first he just wanted to go to the front of the group. The it's just about knowing your level and your body because Lipowitz with Hautacam legs would have won the stage. But he is in week three of a GT first time really up on the GC. He just makes too many tactical mistakes also in itzulia and Romandie not just the big races.

Hopefully he can save a 5th place in GC. Podium seems impossible with that monster stage tomorrow. If they ride tempo with Gall, Roglic and Lipo finish ahead of Onley.

 

[dazaau]

Vodka + red bull in the team car today

 

[Remy55]

Problem was the pull on Madeleine and on the descent. Thats were Lipo used way to much energy. Should have stopped and wait for the Onley group.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Problem was the pull on Madeleine and on the descent. Thats were Lipo used way to much energy. Should have stopped and wait for the Onley group.

The main thing is that apparently Roglic and Lipo aren't exactly friends, so he's not gonna sit back when Roglic is potentially upstaging him on the gc.

 

[Red Rick]

The attack makes sense if it's a 10k 8% climb. Not if it's a 27km grinder. I was mocking Gall but he clearly was gassed. Roglic was gassed. Anyone who did nothing on the Madeleine were big beneficiaries.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

The main thing is that apparently Roglic and Lipo aren't exactly friends, so he's not gonna sit back when Roglic is potentially upstaging him on the gc.

Really? I hadn't heard this.

 

[search]

Hopefully he can save a 5th place in GC. Podium seems impossible with that monster stage tomorrow. If they ride tempo with Gall, Roglic and Lipo finish ahead of Onley.

depends on how he'll recover, of course, but I think Lipo is still in a good position to defend 3rd. He paid for his efforts today, but in general is just the stronger rider currently.

 

[kingjr]

I think it's mote on Lipowitz than the DS. This wasn't an attack of Lipo at first he just wanted to go to the front of the group. The it's just about knowing your level and your body because Lipowitz with Hautacam legs would have won the stage. But he is in week three of a GT first time really up on the GC. He just makes too many tactical mistakes also in itzulia and Romandie not just the big races.

Hopefully he can save a 5th place in GC. Podium seems impossible with that monster stage tomorrow. If they ride tempo with Gall, Roglic and Lipo finish ahead of Onley.

The DS egged him on afterwards, maybe they even told him to attack, they definitely didn't tell him to stop.

 

[Mayomaniac]

The attack makes sense if it's a 10k 8% climb. Not if it's a 27km grinder. I was mocking Gall but he clearly was gassed. Roglic was gassed. Anyone who did nothing on the Madeleine were big beneficiaries.

I mean, Gall made a wrong call, but the result was just him minimizing his gains. Red Bull made the wrong call and lost time/a position of strength because of it.

 

[Mayomaniac]

Really? I hadn't heard this.

The commentators on Swiss TV mentioned it on one of the Pyrenees stages.

 

[kingjr]

If RedBull is serious about their longterm ambitions this should be the last race with Eisel and Gasparotto in the car. Monumental blunder.

If you ever heard Eisel on German Eurosport, it's a real headscratcher that this guy is in charge of anything, especially tactics. I guess for PR he'd be useful.