Teams & Riders The Red Bull - Bora - Hansgrohe team thread

[Peyroteo94]

Even if they laugh, it's the truth.

It's absurd to use Pogacar as an example for Remco in a Grand Tour. Pogacar had always finished first or second in the Tour de France and had won mountain stages every year.
Remco wasn't even in a position to win a stage against Vingegaard in 2024 because he was never able to keep his wheel in ANY mountain stage. How is that similar to Pogacar?

Furthermore, before the Liège crash, let's remember that Pogacar dominated Paris-Nice. Remco hasn't even dominated those one-week races, not against minor rivals, and certainly not against someone like Vingegaard.
In stage races, Remco has never had Pogacar's base level.

The comparison makes no sense. Given the impossibility of arguing this, it's best to laugh, but the races are there. They only have to remember that Remco's career in stage races is nothing like Pogacar's in his early years.

Spot on.
Remco can make a significant leap and he still won't be able to rival Vingegaard, let alone Pogacar.
His 2024 performance is so overrated, it's like saying Peraud or Pinot would win a TdF one day because they were only 8 minutes behind Nibali.
If Vingegaard races the Giro, Remco will not win a GT in 2026. Simple as that.

However Remco wasn't weaker than Vingegaard in Isola. In fact, he was slightly stronger. In all other mountain stages they raced against each other, Vingegaard shows he is at least 7-8 s/km faster (when he attacks). Huge difference.

 

[houtdffan]

Spot on.
Remco can make a significant leap and he still won't be able to rival Vingegaard, let alone Pogacar.
His 2024 performance is so overrated, it's like saying Peraud or Pinot would win a TdF one day because they were only 8 minutes behind Nibali.
If Vingegaard races the Giro, Remco will not win a GT in 2026. Simple as that.

However Remco wasn't weaker than Vingegaard in Isola. In fact, he was slightly stronger. In all other mountain stages they raced against each other, Vingegaard shows he is at least 7-8 s/km faster (when he attacks). Huge difference.

Superdouvley? Vingo had to be towed by WVA to keep from bleeding even more time to Remco. He tried to attack and ended up blowing himself up that day

 

[red_flanders]

Pogacar didn't make a leap, he was consistently improving.

inaccurate.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

On a stage in 2024 TdF? In the 2024 TdF I think Remco was even a little stronger than Vingegaard on stages 4 (Galibier) and 19 (Bonette/Isola). Jonas admitted he was on a bad day at Isola but that was still very impressive climbing from Remco late in the 3rd week.

In that Isola finish Vingegaard even thanked Remco for pulling him to the line. Here is a video of that - watch from 4'07".

2024 TdF finish Remco / Vingegaard

Of course Pogacar is on another level but we should not devalue what Remco showed that Tour. It showed what he is capable of.

Didnt he drop Remco and everyone else on the Galibier and just get clawed back on the flat?

 

[Cookster15]

Didnt he drop Remco and everyone else on the Galibier and just get clawed back on the flat?

Ah yes you are right. But I do think some here are underestimating Remco’s climbing ceiling based upon what we saw in the ‘24 Tour. He too was faster than Pantani’s record on Hautacam.

Yes Vingegaard was hampered by his April crash but Vingo still did his best ever climbing performance on Hautacam. So for Remco to be even close those days was impressive. Remco also briefly dropped Vingegaard on stage 20 before Pog countered. Only Jonas could stay close.

I am not a Remco fan, just calling it as I see it. But I do think we haven’t yet seen the best of Evenepoel in grand tours.