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It's a direct quote from an interview with Danish TV in English.
Ok. Haven't seen that one. Anyway, I don't think it's an insult, just an opinion. No more, no less.
His opinion was not wrong, the admitted themselves that they were afraid to lose time if Pogacar would have attacked later in the stage. So, Vingegaard raced with his brains and not with his balls. That's ok and a fair choice.
Remco says it in an unpolished way, but it's not an insult. Luckily, not everyone is giving standard answers and standard interviews.
 
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"Maybe Jonas didn't have [the balls to race] today".
Well, did he ? What Evenepoel, the more Pogacar, the neutral cycling enthusiast and experts have established. But at the same time some experts and Evenepoel himself agreed it was a (permissible, risky) tactic of Vingegaard and his team. Not a nice one, but...
If Vingegaard becomes stronger during the second part of the Tour and wins the Tour, he would prove he was right. If not, and if he not even finishes on the podium, than those tactics would prove that the choices made, were a big mistake. So, at the end of the Tour, not even haven won ones stage and not the GC.... ?
 
It’s a very mild insult, but if I made such a comment here about a poster, it would be deleted. Because it is an insult.
Do you mean I'm insulting a poster? Not my intention. I just mean that if Vingegaard or fans of Vingegaard feel insulted by the expression Remco is using, than they are very sensitive. I hate this woke era where you need to reconsider everything you say or write.
 
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Talking about "balls" was a bit inappropriate I think, but I wouldn't get worked up about it. He also said he understood Vinge's tactic and that he had no problem with it.
What is the problem with using the wellknow "having balls" with regard to top sport ? I hope that those remarks are not coming from puritans [[content deleted]]
 
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Well, did he ? What Evenepoel, the more Pogacar, the neutral cycling enthusiast and experts have established. But at the same time some experts and Evenepoel himself agreed it was a (permissible, risky) tactic of Vingegaard and his team. Not a nice one, but...
If Vingegaard becomes stronger during the second part of the Tour and wins the Tour, he would prove he was right. If not, and if he not even finishes on the podium, than those tactics would prove that the choices made, were a big mistake. So, at the end of the Tour, not even haven won ones stage and not the GC.... ?
Would he have gained time on Remco and Pog, probably his main contenders, if he worked together with them? No, unless one of them punctured. Instead, it would have been a big risk, maybe a new puncture or a Pog attack he couldn't follow.
And was it evenly likely that they would have stayed away for 75k? Don't think so, so wasted energy then.

Vinge himself:

"If I ride seventy kilometers with the two of them and then get dropped in the last kilometers - which also happened - then my Tour could be over. So it wasn't a lack of balls, but just smart racing."
 
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What is the problem with using the wellknow "having balls" with regard to top sport ? I hope that those remarks are not coming from puritans or hypocritical Americans shocked by discreet breastfeeding in public, a bare nipple, a butt crack.... but not with massive drug use, criminal prostitution, massive use of weapons (resulting in many mass shootings).
Don't think if was about if Vinge dared or not. Vinge and Visma LAB had a plan and followed it. That's why I think Remco's word don't really capture what is was about. But like I said, it's an interview, words pops out of your mouth, I'm not getting worked up about it.
 
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Honestly, I rather see riders insulting and wheelsucking eachother because they actually want to win instead of cooperation with riders who are stronger on that terrain, only to get dropped and still take selfies with the winner and be happy about being on the podium.
 
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You have to put this into perspective.

First of all. English is his 3th language. He speaks it very well but sometimes he has to find some words or expressions.
It’s also an expression in Belgium which he translated literally because he couldn’t say it otherwise or didn’t know the right one on the spot.

It’s definitely not an insult as he said directly afterwards he understands and accepts the tactics from other teams.
 
You have to put this into perspective.

First of all. English is his 3th language. He speaks it very well but sometimes he has to find some words or expressions.
It’s also an expression in Belgium which he translated literally because he couldn’t say it otherwise or didn’t know the right one on the spot.

It’s definitely not an insult as he said directly afterwards he understands and accepts the tactics from other teams.
*cojones :sweatsmile:
 

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Vingo used perfect tactics. He does not care about anything but winning. The only rider he sees as a real threat is Pog - and that makes complete sense (yes, even from a Remco fan!). His only goal and path to victory is to get to the high mountains with as little gap as possible to make up. He had absolutely nothing to gain by working with Remco or Pog on this stage - nothing.

In terms of Remco's words - I think everyone needs to focus on the total: he emphasizes several times that he understands why Vingo chose to ride that way. Remco is a competitor and he has a completely different goal -- distancing Rog, Rodriguez, Ayuso and Almeida are important to him, so he is frustrated that Vingo would not help him do that but understands why.

The choice of words in the one "incriminating" sentence - probably not the best (remember that these riders are most often speaking a second or third language, and coming hot off a race/competition). Aside: I went to a French-speaking elementary school. In a classroom, I wanted a fellow student to let me speak. Instead of doing so politely, I said: "Ferme ta gueule" because that is what I had heard in the playground. The teacher had to explain to me that this wasn't the way I should address another student. ;-)
 
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Indeed. I have already read a lot of untruths and even lies on internet about the reaction of Evenepoel. Also on this forum. The bad thing is that those persons never apologize when proven wrong or when unmasked. They just start again later or in another topic.
If this is true, if he is talking about his own attack, I will eat my own words and apologize! I am also a bit fast on the keyboard today.
 
Absolutely. Having had an almost career ending crash should not be communicated as having no balls. There is no grain of sportsmanship in that. I fully understand its perhaps taken out of context but it says something about him i belive. But Remco will of course not last in the weeks coming up. That's my relief. Small dog syndrome!
What does his crash have to do with it? It's not that he was scared of falling, he was scared of being isolated and being dropped by Pogacar, and thus losing time. Which is understandable btw, just boring way of riding the bike.
 
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So, how many times have you apologised for your lies and half truths that you have been spreading repeatedly here? I do have you on ignore, so it is possible i missed them, so i'm giving you the benefit of the doubt. Please point me to you apologising for calling me a liar repeatedly when i in fact proved you were wrong. Let's start with your claim about Evenepoel NOT being too skinny during his recovery in 2020 (you claimed he was only too skinny during his preparation, not his actual rehab). I proved you were wrong twice, with pictures and i also sourced an interview from early 2021 where he literally said that. Link me to your apology please.
His recovery of 2020 ? So, short after his crash in Lombardia ? What are you talking about ? It was all about what he did after his crash in april this year, his shape and weight at the start of the Dauphiné and his finetuning after the Dauphiné. All related to what went wrong just before the Giro 21 (So, not short after his Lombardiacrash in 2020). I kept writing Evenepoel wasn't ready for the 2021 Giro and that they also used a wrong method then. By forcing him to lose too much weight without a solid conditional basis. With all its consequences. But that had nothing to do with the actual situation, nor with his weight today. The same weight, or 0,5 kg more (or less) then at the start of the Giro 21.That is of no importance, also because we do not know exactly how much he weighed and weights at this moment. We can only make an estimate based on his body shape and face. But that won't be far from reality.
Of course, you known the exact weight, as an insider, speaking regularly to Evenepoel:D

This time, Evenepoel had already a strong basis before his crash in Iztulia, and had just enough time to be competitive again. As Vingegaard was apparently. Although I thougt it would be close for Vingegaard.

It was you declaring again and again those last weeks that Evenepoel (and his management) did wrong with his weight and, as a result, it would not lead to a good shape at the start of the Tour. Which has now been clearly refuted by the facts.

So, You, as an insider talking a lot with Evenepoel. What does Evenepoel think of your shameful and derogatory attack and accusation against the nutritionist, trainer and supervisors of Evenepoel ? Does he agree ? Maybe we should ask it himself ?;)