Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Krzysztof_O]

Not every time. If the TT of last year had 265km instead of 22 km, Pogacar was going to see Vingegaard on his back.

He also looks behind to see if Pogacar is fine because sometimes "he's gone".

265 km is too long for Vingemort as it's been proven that he lacks endurance for 200+ km stages/races.
As for the last sentence, when Pogi was gone Vingo was looking back indeed, confused. He seemingly wanted to wait for his friend but Grischa didn't allow it.

 

[Le Grand Doop]

Pogi is an underrated manipulator. He got Roglic to big brother him to victory in the 2020 Tour, has gotten MvDP to gang up on Wout, now cozied up to Remco and set him against his arch rival, Vingegaard…

he is also the root of all evil in the world, I believe (or so people tell me).

 

[Sciatic]

Regarding Evenepoel's comments...

What he said could certainly have been taken as insulting...which is in the ear of the beholder. Maybe Vingo was insulted, maybe not. Whatever the case, in the US we'd call those comments "bulletin board material", as in "I'm going to post this on the team bulletin board, so that you can all read them every time you walk in here for the next several days". If I'm Vingo, I'm thinking, "We'll see who has balls when I'm dropping your ass on Plateau de Beille". Whether he does or not, you get the point.

Comments like this have the tendency to fire up the opposition, which makes them...dumb.

What we also saw wasn't "nuance" as many have posited here, what we saw was a guy who realized what he said was dumb (progress!) and immediately "walked back the comments" in real time. So he's learning...a bit. But his instinct is self-centered, he sees the race through his lens. He then realized that Vingo had perfectly good reasons for not racing with them, he doesn't care whatsoever about the podium, he's not worried about Roglič, etc. He's maturing in that he sees when he's being stupid and tries to correct it. But he's not there yet.

I like Remco. I don't particularly like Vingo, he's boring. But he's also the 2-time defending Tour champion and Remco hasn't done jack squat in the Tour so far, and he should show more respect. Which he immediately realized.

I don't mind controversy, but I do mind dumb. And if you're rooting for Remco, the comment was dumb.

At the least he should learn to not make provocative comments before the rest day, lest the words get repeated (and distorted) in press and social mefia

 

[Le Grand Doop]

"I have better legs than in last year's Vuelta," Evenepoel added.

Not 2022.

Hmm.

 

[red_flanders]

The way Remco has throwned himself to Pogacar this Tour is one of the best parts. Is it me who is just ignorant but have they raced few races together and this is new only to me or? The mutual respect Pog have for Evenpoel is not hard to see and they both are just cut from the same claw in the way they races. Insticts, panache and raw power and pure talent, its art.

I could be wrong but I read big respect from Remco to Pogi, but not sure I'm seeing it the other way 'round. Which is fine, Pogi is the far more accomplished rider (which is saying something!), but interesting that you're seeing it as mutual. I dunno. I've been a bit worried that Remco has his head a bit too far up Pogi's arse.

Glad to see they seem to get along. Agree they do race the same way, which is a HUGE part of why I like them both.

 

[Berniece]

I could be wrong but I read big respect from Remco to Pogi, but not sure I'm seeing it the other way 'round. Which is fine, Pogi is the far more accomplished rider (which is saying something!), but interesting that you're seeing it as mutual. I dunno. I've been a bit worried that Remco has his head a bit too far up Pogi's arse.

It goes in both directions. Pogacar said during his interview he said he was more afraid from Evenepoel during the gravel stage compared to Vingegaard, and he takes his hat off on how he's riding his first TDF. "It's nice to race against him. He's strong, rides aggressive and it's nice to see him go all out when he can."

 

[red_flanders]

It goes in both directions. Pogacar said during his interview he said he was more afraid from Evenepoel during the gravel stage compared to Vingegaard, and he takes his hat off on how he's riding his first TDF. "It's nice to race against him. He's strong, rides aggressive and it's nice to see him go all out when he can."

Interesting, thanks!

 

[AmRacer]

It goes in both directions. Pogacar said during his interview he said he was more afraid from Evenepoel during the gravel stage compared to Vingegaard, and he takes his hat off on how he's riding his first TDF. "It's nice to race against him. He's strong, rides aggressive and it's nice to see him go all out when he can."

Pogi doesn't want Remcos first Tour be same as his own first...

 

[Berniece]

Pogi doesn't want Remcos first Tour be same as his own first...

Pogi doesn’t make the same mistake as Roglic did

 

[Alpehue]

Danish media defensive about criticism toward Vingegaard? Well have i ever!
Regarding the junior racing in the pro peloton, what rock did she crawl under of? Vingegaard himself has done his fair share of long solo attacks and aggressive racing the past few years which we did not witness in the past decades.

Your completely missing her point, it’s not the attack from far out, it’s that he expected Jonas to race with his head under his arm and forget about tactics.

The only one that really benefited from them working together is Remco, Jonas was clearly at a disadvantage, and Tadej does not need it, did he expect them to work hard to secure him a 3rd place in the podium?

 

[Medvind]

It goes in both directions. Pogacar said during his interview he said he was more afraid from Evenepoel during the gravel stage compared to Vingegaard, and he takes his hat off on how he's riding his first TDF. "It's nice to race against him. He's strong, rides aggressive and it's nice to see him go all out when he can."

Smart by Pog, Remco will fall for this and be in his corner to try to bang up on Vinge.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Smart by Pog, Remco will fall for this and be in his corner to try to bang up on Vinge.

I think they will try to distance Vingo and ride away together but the best opportunity for that was probably yesterday. Maybe the Massif Central stage will be another chance (but Vingo would have to be a bit under the weather to drop him at some point).

 

[Froome]

265 km is too long for Vingemort as it's been proven that he lacks endurance for 200+ km stages/races.
As for the last sentence, when Pogi was gone Vingo was looking back indeed, confused. He seemingly wanted to wait for his friend but Grischa didn't allow it.

Fortunately Prudhomme stopped with those long stages, otherwise Vingegaard would be gone and dead.

 

[Zoetemelk-fan]

Smart by Pog, Remco will fall for this and be in his corner to try to bang up on Vinge.

It's resisting to think so by the nature of Remco, however, everybody knows this, and I think Tom Steels et al will do everything to try and manage this without risk of heavy backlash.
Troyers stage is not Cîme de la Bonette du Restefond stage. He did the right things yesterday IMO, a stage scripted for "Remco doing his things". And I'm sure he knows Pyrenées and the Alps are different breeds, requiring different takes.

 

[Venge 82]

Your completely missing her point, it’s not the attack from far out, it’s that he expected Jonas to race with his head under his arm and forget about tactics.

The only one that really benefited from them working together is Remco, Jonas was clearly at a disadvantage, and Tadej does not need it, did he expect them to work hard to secure him a 3rd place in the podium?

It was not about expecting, it was about hoping. Remco realises very well that Vingegaard had his reasons not to collaborate, but it's also normal he was disappointed that it didn't work out. He hoped to secure his podium spot and in the same time he understands that Vingegaard's ambitions are different. That's all.

 

[Alpehue]

It was not about expecting, it was about hoping. Remco realises very well that Vingegaard had his reasons not to collaborate, but it's also normal he was disappointed that it didn't work out. He hoped to secure his podium spot and in the same time he understands that Vingegaard's ambitions are different. That's all.

That’s true, and hope is okay.

But the impression I got from the interview is that he was disappointed that he did not, even sent a veiled insult, which he wouldn’t do if he did not expect him to.

Anyways, like said in a previous post, I like Remco, but that interview did not make him look good.

 

[Blobs]

It was not about expecting, it was about hoping. Remco realises very well that Vingegaard had his reasons not to collaborate, but it's also normal he was disappointed that it didn't work out. He hoped to secure his podium spot and in the same time he understands that Vingegaard's ambitions are different. That's all.

If he had any hope that Vingegaard would help him secure his podium spot at the expense of his own chance for the overall win, he's not a very smart man, but that seems plausible.

 

[Berniece]

If he had any hope that Vingegaard would help him secure his podium spot at the expense of his own chance for the overall win, he's not a very smart man, but that seems plausible.

So you didn't understand what Evenepoel said at all

 

[Blobs]

So you didn't understand what Evenepoel said at all

I was responding to the interpretation in the post I quoted.

 

[Venge 82]

If he had any hope that Vingegaard would help him secure his podium spot at the expense of his own chance for the overall win, he's not a very smart man, but that seems plausible.

Hoping and expecting are 2 different things. Of course, he didn't expect Vingegaard to help him secure his podium spot as Vingegaard has his own reasons and tactics to race or not. But, he might have hoped that Vingegaard would collaborate for one or another reason. Maybe to distance Roglic and other contenders. Only, after the gravel stage it is clear that Vingegaard has his eyes 100% on Pogacar. Again, nothing wrong with that. I wouldn't call Remco dumb for that. At least, it made it clear that Vingegaard focuses on Pogacar. Which could be good to know. Others can use this situation. Vingegaard might not react to attacks from other riders (Remco included). Pogacar will have to.

 

[scribers]

Of course Vingo isn’t going to reapond to anything but pogi. 2-10 place doesn’t seem to matter to him. All or nothing wheel-sucking boring-ass racing

 

[Alpehue]

So you didn't understand what Evenepoel said at all

I think he did, the main difference and the fact that seems to elude you, is that neither Vingegaard or Pogacar care about securing a 3rd, it’s win or nothing for them.

Remcos statement only makes sense if Vingegaard or Pogacar cared about securing a 3rd place, I fully agree that 3rd is a great result for Remco in his first TDF, but it’s not for the others.

 

[Berniece]

I think he did, the main difference and the fact that seems to elude you, is that neither Vingegaard or Pogacar care about securing a 3rd, it’s win or nothing for them.

Remcos statement only makes sense if Vingegaard or Pogacar cared about securing a 3rd place, I fully agree that 3rd is a great result for Remco in his first TDF, but it’s not for the others.

I know, and so does Evenepoel. He understands that they are only going for the top spot. But Vingegaard being afraid that he might have a mechanical and losing the Tour due to that also goes for Pogacar.

 

[scribers]

I think pogi is respectful of the podium and would race for best possible placement. He didn’t pull the pin the last two year when he couldn’t overcome Vingo.

Look at the guy on the podium vs let’s say lance in third. lol

 

[Rob5091]

Talking of podiums, Mrs Remco got to experience the podium presentations ... sort of.
https://cyclinguptodate.com/cycling...urned-around-because-i-couldnt-go-any-further

“Go the Tour de France they said. It would be fun they said. I wanted to catch a glimpse of my husband, because I knew he would look for me. But I was so scared, started crying and turned around because I couldn’t go any further," Oumi Rayane shared on her Instagram stories. “I just want to show you a little bit of what it really is like. Because a lot of people think that visiting the race is all fun and games. Of course, there are a lot worse things happening in the world right now. But if you don’t see me at races anymore, this is why.”