Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[KoopaCycling]

it's the lack of facts that results in me not needing to argue.
I'm willing to argue/change my position based on facts and knowledge.
Not cause someone thinks he knows something better, even when facts and data prove it to be wrong.

Hell i don't even mind debating about subjective matter as long as it's rooted on some facts. Added with your own subjective opinions, as long as the clear motive isn't to bring a rider down.

If you just want to argue, no he's only top 50 cause of this and that when that is how you feel and add solid reasons based on facts. i'm fine with that. Hell, right now i myself would only put him between top 30 and 50.

But when someone has proven to argue not in good faith but in bad faith cause he dislikes something/someone. Then there is no point in listening to that person.

Take peyrote. clearly he does not think the world of remco. probably think him a good rider but not a great rider, not like the true greats. But i don't think he argues in bad faith to bring down a rider and it's fans. He is just stating his opinion (most of the time, we all can get carried away). Some people tho, don't argue in good faith, just come to a part of a forum to argue in bad faith about a rider with it's fans.

 

[AmRacer]

it's the lack of facts that results in me not needing to argue.
I'm willing to argue/change my position based on facts and knowledge.
Not cause someone thinks he knows something better, even when facts and data prove it to be wrong.

I could write exactly the same.

 

[Charlyghoul]

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

 

[KoopaCycling]

Just cause i now got a bit invested. I went down the rabbit hole.

I've got 32 riders i would currently put ahead of Remco (not in order) based on my own subjective thought process.
And beyond that about a dozen or more that i would put around remco level. But for various reasons i can't quite put ahead of remco but also not completely below remco atm).

Like I said, i feel Remco still has a lot of work cut out for him to finish between Top 10-25. But it's not impossible.

1. Merckx
2. Van Looy
3. De Vlaeminck
4. Gilbert
5. Boonen

6. Anquetil
7. Hinault
8. Bobet
9. Fignon
10.Pelissier

11.Armstrong
12.Lemond

13.Roche
14. Kelly

15. Coppi
16. Bartali
17.Gimondi
18. Nibali
19. Moser
20. Saronni

21. Indurain
22. Contador
23. Valverde

24. Zoetemelk
25. Van der Poel
26. Raas

27. Sagan

28. Roglic
29. Pogacar

30. Cancellara
31. Rominger

32. Froome

 

[Berniece]

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

No one is at the level of Merckx, that’s the joke

 

[AmRacer]

No one is at the level of Merckx, that’s the joke

Pogi is a level above.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Binda, Botecchia, Gaul, Bobet, Koblet, Bettini should all be above Remco, but he should overtake a few of those.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

If you still believe that the title, which was made when Remco was 17 or 18, is meant seriously in the way that he’s on the same level as Merckx you are either not able to understand basic hyperbole or you do in fact come into this thread in bad faith.

 

[kingjr]

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

Name three active users in this forum who believe that.

+what @Eddy Evenepoel said

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Pogi is a level above.

definitively going to be when he ends his career yes, but at the time thread title was made it was basically seen as impossible for anyone to ever get close.

 

[Charlyghoul]

If you still believe that the title, which was made when Remco was 17 or 18, is meant seriously in the way that he’s on the same level as Merckx you are either not able to understand basic hyperbole or you do in fact come into this thread in bad faith.

I don’t believe it is serious no

 

[AmRacer]

definitively going to be when he ends his career yes, but at the time thread title was made it was basically seen as impossible for anyone to ever get close.

Enter the 🐐.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I don’t believe it is serious no

Then back up your claim of “The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx” and name some active users on this forum that believes this

 

[Charlyghoul]

Then back up your claim of “The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx” and name some active users on this forum that believes this

Some of them seem to believe if his career had gone a different way that he had the talent to be there, lots of evidence of that in this thread.
I’ve said many times I don’t dislike Remco, just don’t like the constant excuses of why he’s having a bad season.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Some of them seem to believe if his career had gone a different way that he had the talent to be there, lots of evidence of that in this thread.

Which is not the same at all saying that they ARE on the same level….

 

[kingjr]

Some of them seem to believe if his career had gone a different way that he had the talent to be there, lots of evidence of that in this thread.
I’ve said many times I don’t dislike Remco, just don’t like the constant excuses of why he’s having a bad season.

So you're saying "is" and "is not" are the same thing. Oh, dear.

 

[AmRacer]

So you're saying "is" and "is not" are the same thing. Oh, dear.

How about changing the title?

 

[kingjr]

How about changing the title?

Why bother?

 

[Charlyghoul]

So you're saying "is" and "is not" are the same thing. Oh, dear.

Eh

 

[FroomeWagon]

Pogi is a level above.

He is certainly on pace. Hopefully he doesn't burn out and can stay healthy for the next several years.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Which is not the same at all saying that they ARE on the same level….

Alright then, I don’t think he would have ever been on their level with a perfect career path, but some disagree, that’s great.
Is that alright ?

 

[AmRacer]

...could've been the next Merckx if it wasn't for the bad luck, crashes, illnesses

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

How about changing the title?

Why don’t you go and ask for other thread titles to be changed?

You can start with “The official Wilco Kelderman is the new Merckx-thread”.
Then you can campaign that Enric Mas isn’t actually a rising star anymore, that Olav Koij isn’t actually a cheetah and that Jan Christen isn’t actually the love child of Mathieu and Wout.

Or you can just accept that hyperbole is being used and that thread titles shouldn’t be changed just because you don’t find it factual correct.

 

[kingjr]

Eh

Yeah, exactly. If you thought about what you wrote, you'd have noticed that this is what your statement boils down to. But I'm glad to see you've since corrected yourself. That's something.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Alright then, I don’t think he would have ever been on their level with a perfect career path, but some disagree, that’s great.
Is that alright ?

That is of course all right. I don’t have a problem at all with what you think about Remco. However, I have a huge problem with you making up things like “Remco fans believes X and Y” and then you can’t back it up because no one ever said (in this forum) what you claim they believe.
In my eyes that is trolling.