Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Alright then, I don’t think he would have ever been on their level with a perfect career path, but some disagree, that’s great.
Is that alright ?

That is of course all right. I don’t have a problem at all with what you think about Remco. However, I have a huge problem with you making up things like “Remco fans believes X and Y” and then you can’t back it up because no one ever said (in this forum) what you claim they believe.
In my eyes that is trolling.

 

[Charlyghoul]

That is of course all right. I don’t have a problem at all with what you think about Remco. However, I have a huge problem with you making up things like “Remco fans believes X and Y” and then you can’t back it up because no one ever said (in this forum) what you claim they believe.
In my eyes that is trolling.

Ok , it’s no problem

 

[AmRacer]

That is of course all right. I don’t have a problem at all with what you think about Remco. However, I have a huge problem with you making up things like “Remco fans believes X and Y” and then you can’t back it up because no one ever said (in this forum) what you claim they believe.
In my eyes that is trolling.

But Remco fans believe Remco could've done better, hadn't it been for all those crashes and bad luck.
And better is almost Pogi level, right?

 

[Charlyghoul]

But Remco fans believe Remco could've done better, hadn't it been for all those crashes and bad luck.
And better is almost Pogi level, right?

This is more or less what I’m trying to say also

 

[Berniece]

This is more or less what I’m trying to say also

You think Remco wouldn't have done better without his crashes? He would have the same palmares? He didn't lose any development or chances at some races?

 

[bah]

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

I never come in bad faith , I only make my opinion that Remco is a great rider, but not one of the greats. Pogacar is one of the greats. The fans of Remco seem to believe he is on a level of Pogacar and Merckx, that is even the title of this thread, and I disagree that’s all

The title of this thread was a joke which I imagine whoever made it probably regrets to this very day. As for the rest, we will see, his progress has stalled somewhat and he may never achieve the potential he had but he has had many injuries which have clearly hampered him. Some due to his bike handling skills, fine, but others are also just bad luck.

I would also add that despite the view some seem to have of him being "mentally weak"; his overcoming of that crash in Lombardia 2020 shows a great deal of fortitude.

 

[AmRacer]

You think Remco wouldn't have done better without his crashes? He would have the same palmares? He didn't lose any development or chances at some races?

And better is Pogi/Merckx level

 

[bah]

But Remco fans believe Remco could've done better, hadn't it been for all those crashes and bad luck.
And better is almost Pogi level, right?

Why does it have to be such an extreme example? Without the crashes he may not have been at Pogacar's level but he would probably have been at a better level than he is currently (which is already pretty good).

 

[Charlyghoul]

You think Remco wouldn't have done better without his crashes? He would have the same palmares? He didn't lose any development or chances at some races?

A bit better , but I don’t think they much would change no, not near winning the tour or anything.

 

[AmRacer]

Why does it have to be such an extreme example? Without the crashes he may not have been at Pogacar's level but he would probably have been at a better level than he is currently (which is already pretty good).

I wrote, 'almost'. But you don't think Remco wouldn't have been almost?

 

[Peyroteo94]

Without crashes Remco would still have 0 TdF, his dream race

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

But Remco fans believe Remco could've done better, hadn't it been for all those crashes and bad luck.
And better is almost Pogi level, right?

Yes to the first and no to the second. “A lot better” is needed for “almost Pogi level.

I can only speak for myself, but believe reaching Pogi until 2023 level could maybe be possible without the two biggest crashes (Lombardia crash and the Postman crash), but Pogi 2024 and 2025 level is completely out of this world and I think no cyclist, not even Merckx have been close to this level before and it will probably never again in my lifetime (hopefully meaning the next 50 years or so) be anyone close.

 

[Charlyghoul]

why don’t someone who’s a big fan of Remco say where they think he’d be if hadn’t had all the crashes etc

 

[bah]

I wrote, 'almost'. But you don't think Remco wouldn't have been almost?

IMO probably not for the Tour but definitely more competitive in one day races like LBL.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

How about changing the title?

I'm the only one who has the balls to keep changing thread titles.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Instead of labelling me or any one else as a troll, or a Remco hater, or changing the thread, why don’t someone who’s a big fan of Remco say where they think he’d be if hadn’t had all the crashes etc

Why can’t you say where you think he’s be?

 

[Charlyghoul]

Yes to the first and no to the second. “A lot better” is needed for “almost Pogi level.

I can only speak for myself, but believe reaching Pogi until 2023 level could maybe be possible without the two biggest crashes (Lombardia crash and the Postman crash), but Pogi 2024 and 2025 level is completely out of this world and I think no cyclist, not even Merckx have been close to this level before and it will probably never again in my lifetime (hopefully meaning the next 50 years or so) be anyone close.

So, there we are, you’ve essentially just said you think he’d be capable of winning the tour up to 2023, and I don’t think he would.
It’s okay to disagree

 

[AmRacer]

A bit better , but I don’t think they much would change no, not near winning the tour or anything.

No 2020 crash => would have won Giro 2021
No December 2024 crash => would have been 3rd at the 2025 Tour
Would have won several of those 7 one week stage races
And RVV, Lombardia and MSR
.
According to fans

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I'm the only one who has the balls to keep changing thread titles.

And that is your biggest weakness.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Why can’t you say where you think he’s be?

I think already have, a few more big one day races, possibly another vuelta or something, I can’t really see anything else

 

[bah]

Instead of labelling me or any one else as a troll, or a Remco hater, or changing the thread, why don’t someone who’s a big fan of Remco say where they think he’d be if hadn’t had all the crashes etc

Personally, without the "bad luck" he's had (and you're free to agree or not whether that is the case), I think he would at least have had an extra GT (probably Giro); I don't think he would have won the TDF (but I don't consider it impossible that he may in the future). Possibly a Lombardia in his Palmares.

 

[Samu Cuenca]

And that is your biggest weakness.

It's my only strength, too.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Personally, without the "bad luck" he's had (and you're free to agree or not whether that is the case), I think he would at least have had an extra GT (probably Giro); I don't think he would have won the TDF (but I don't consider it impossible that he may in the future). Possibly a Lombardia in his Palmares.

More or less agreed

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

So, there we are, you’ve essentially just said you think he’d be capable of winning the tour up to 2023, and I don’t think he would.
It’s okay to disagree

Are you serious?? How could avoiding a crash in 2024 help him win the Tour in 2022 or 2023??
Without the two crashes I mentioned I think he NOW perhaps could be at the level of Pogi until 2023. That level would not be enough to challenge Pogacar in 2025 (which is the only Tour after the second crash I mentioned).

 

[Berniece]

Instead of labelling me or any one else as a troll, or a Remco hater, or changing the thread, why don’t someone who’s a big fan of Remco say where they think he’d be if hadn’t had all the crashes etc

He would've won Lombardia 2020 to start. Not sure about Giro 2020 since he was only 20 years old. If I'm really bullish, he might've won Giro 2021, and Olympic gold that same year.