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I hope Remco will be so strong in TdS, that QS decides to take him to the Tour, afterwards. That could be the case if Remco wins the TdS overall by more than three minutes. Fingers crossed! ;)
 
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Rackham said:
Respectfully, they did the Galibier & the Croix de Fer today. I don't believe Norway has such monsters.

Evenepoel is clearly a massive talent (I don't argue that point) & honestly based on his ability will most likely compete for the biggest wins.

But not everything is comparable, i.e. until Evenepoel has been in a race like this Dauphiné at this time of the year (as Tour prep) & competed for the win against a rider like Roglic after passing some of the most famous French Alpine cols, I wouldn't jump to such conclusions.
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So you're saying if today's stage was easier, Roglic would have dropped those guys by 3x as much?
 
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Rackham said:
Respectfully, they did the Galibier & the Croix de Fer today. I don't believe Norway has such monsters.

Evenepoel is clearly a massive talent (I don't argue that point) & honestly based on his ability will most likely compete for the biggest wins.

But not everything is comparable, i.e. until Evenepoel has been in a race like this Dauphiné at this time of the year (as Tour prep) & competed for the win against a rider like Roglic after passing some of the most famous French Alpine cols, I wouldn't jump to such conclusions.
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I wasnt comparing to Roglic, but to the people he put 1minute and a half behind him on a heavy climb. You can see that 3 of those are doing very well a week later in the dauphine and only loose 30seconds to roglic. There is nothing to assume Remco in the same form wouldn't drop those 3 again. (Those 3 also didn't gain or behave differently between each other compared to norway.. they are in the same order and with similar distances between each other. So the heavier stage, as presumed, had no impact on their performance seperatly.

So saying that Remco would do better than these 3 again, means he would have battled for the stage win. I never said he would win for sure, just that he would have competed for the win.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
So you're saying if today's stage was easier, Roglic would have dropped those guys by 3x as much?
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Hardly. It's the total opposite of that, i.e. the easier the stage, the fewer gaps & more riders within the same performance window. If that was the Alpe D'Huez at the end, the gap would have been bigger.

The Tour will demonstrate this fact next month (Pogacar, Roglic etc. putting more time into their rivals on harder stages).

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I wasnt comparing to Roglic, but to the people he put 1minute and a half behind him on a heavy climb. You can see that 3 of those are doing very well a week later in the dauphine and only loose 30seconds to roglic. There is nothing to assume Remco in the same form wouldn't drop those 3 again. (Those 3 also didn't gain or behave differently between each other compared to norway.. they are in the same order and with similar distances between each other. So the heavier stage, as presumed, had no impact on their performance seperatly.

So saying that Remco would do better than these 3 again, means he would have battled for the stage win. I never said he would win for sure, just that he would have competed for the win.
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The Vuelta will give you some answers re Evenepoel.

Until then, wait & see. But something else would have happened today 'if' Evenepoel had been in this race: Jumbo could possibly have drilled it on the Croix de Fer. Why? Because Evenepoel might have already been ahead of Roglic after the flat ITT on Wednesday.

So there's just too many variables when you take Remco Evenepoel & put him in this Dauphiné, aka variables which would have made for a different race.
 
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Riek s said:
I wasnt comparing to Roglic, but to the people he put 1minute and a half behind him on a heavy climb. You can see that 3 of those are doing very well a week later in the dauphine and only loose 30seconds to roglic. There is nothing to assume Remco in the same form wouldn't drop those 3 again. (Those 3 also didn't gain or behave differently between each other compared to norway.. they are in the same order and with similar distances between each other. So the heavier stage, as presumed, had no impact on their performance seperatly.

So saying that Remco would do better than these 3 again, means he would have battled for the stage win. I never said he would win for sure, just that he would have competed for the win.
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Entirely logical premise
 
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Riek s said:
I wasnt comparing to Roglic, but to the people he put 1minute and a half behind him on a heavy climb. You can see that 3 of those are doing very well a week later in the dauphine and only loose 30seconds to roglic. There is nothing to assume Remco in the same form wouldn't drop those 3 again. (Those 3 also didn't gain or behave differently between each other compared to norway.. they are in the same order and with similar distances between each other. So the heavier stage, as presumed, had no impact on their performance seperatly.

So saying that Remco would do better than these 3 again, means he would have battled for the stage win. I never said he would win for sure, just that he would have competed for the win.
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Bear in mind all of the performances you've seen have come in a one week stage race that many complain was too controlled and dull. Add 2 weeks of wear and tear and then do this stage; the gaps will get bigger based solely on ability to recover let alone how a decent climber will prosper. The Tour is different and the data becomes less relevant in the last week. Then it's who still has their workable cajones.
 
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Oldermanish said:
Bear in mind all of the performances you've seen have come in a one week stage race that many complain was too controlled and dull. Add 2 weeks of wear and tear and then do this stage; the gaps will get bigger based solely on ability to recover let alone how a decent climber will prosper. The Tour is different and the data becomes less relevant in the last week. Then it's who still has their workable cajones.
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Well i never mentionned anything about a GT or alluded to any performance there. This is just the Dauphine, aso a 1week stage race. Remember that some were saying Remco wouldn't compete in Dauphine or others and he can only win in those no named smaller stages without competition that really wanted to win.

Lets see where those 3 end up tomorrow on the stage. Its a much longer climb so lets see if there are attacks/high pace and how far they are off pace. That gives us a good id on how to rate the performance we saw in Norway.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Then your previous post makes little sense.
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No, I'm telling you the Galibier, Croix de Fer & Roglic (+ the other GC contenders) in the Dauphiné 3 weeks before the TdF makes the comparison between Norway & the Dauphiné like apples & oranges, aka incomparable in terms of time splits.

I never said Roglic would have put more time into everyone if it was easier. If that's what you choose to extrapolate from my post, that's on you. It's a distortion of my original comment.

I like Evenepoel so these sorts of arguments are annoying because the truth is we've seem him get dropped on the biggest climbs in the hardest stages in WT races. He clearly still has time to work on this (& become the rider everyone expects him to become), but taking the Tour of Norway & the other riders he beat over there & comparing that result to this Dauphiné just doesn't work.
 
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No, I'm telling you the Galibier, Croix de Fer & Roglic (+ the other GC contenders) in the Dauphiné 3 weeks before the TdF makes the comparison between Norway & the Dauphiné like apples & oranges, aka incomparable in terms of time splits.

I never said Roglic would have put more time into everyone if it was easier. If that's what you choose to extrapolate from my post, that's on you. It's a distortion of my original comment.

I like Evenepoel so these sorts of arguments are annoying because the truth is we've seem him get dropped on the biggest climbs in the hardest stages in WT races. He clearly still has time to work on this (& become the rider everyone expects him to become), but taking the Tour of Norway & the other riders he beat over there & comparing that result to this Dauphiné just doesn't work.
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Its a week later, it are the same riders. and those riders act exactly the same as they did in norway compared to each other. The assumption that norway was easy and that there were no good riders is clearly a misconception. So comparing him to the same riders he beat a week earlier on the terrain he beat them is by all means not far fetched... and his GT performance (which he didn't really do yet) or long climbs (which he didn't really do yet, except norway), doesn't change that. (as we are not comparing to a GT)
 
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I definitely think Quick STep should throw their whole teams schedule around because Geogeghan Hart got 9th in a Dauphine MTF.
 
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