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On the other hand the TTT is only 23km on a pan flat parcour. While Remco is extremely good in an ITT, in a TTT he might not be the biggest asset, they probably will need a designated member behind remco since that will count as half a pull by itself. :oops:

Not sure if the differences will be that big. Last TTT in the tour was 2018, where the difference between 1st and 10th was less than a minute over 35km (avg speed 54,944km/h).
But any time he can take is welcome! :)

Edit: I agree with others, if this was an ITT as well it would have been a lot better for Remco. Might have ended up with most likely at least 2 stage wins that way.
 
The main problem for Ineos is that their GC guys (Carapaz and Hart) are the weak links. That means they will have to adapt to them as they can't leave them. At Quick-Step, even if guys like Cavagna, Cerny go all out, there is no risk of dropping Evenepoel. They could even bury themselves and drop the final 5-10k and let Evenepoel, Van Wilder, Alaphilippe and Masnada take it to the line.
They just take shorter turns or do most of their work in the end of the TTT. You don't get blown off the wheel in a flat TTT unless you take too long turns yourself.
 
They just take shorter turns or do most of their work in the end of the TTT. You don't get blown off the wheel in a flat TTT unless you take too long turns yourself.
It is definitely possible to get blown out the back in a TTT. But longer turns for the best riders also means a lower overall pace. Which again comes down to the same thing.

The TTT is only 23kms on flat wide roads. Very fast. U don’t gain THAT much time if u do 56kmh and the other team does 55. So even if QS pulls it off I cannot see big time gaps.

The faster the course, the smaller the time differences.
There was never any talk about how much time could potentially be gained, only about which team, Ineos or Quickstep, is better suited to the TTT. And once more i don't see a contest here. Even if the difference is limited, i can't see Ineos beating QuickStep.
 
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Not sure about this. Vingo & Wva were beginning June @ dauphine also already very good. Then they did an extra altitude camp in Tignes for extra %s before start TdF. I think this is what QS is trying to do here also.
But Vingegaard and Van Aert have proven that they can do that. Evenepoel hasn't.

Evenepoel does not do an extra altitude camp for the Vuelta. He is staying in the (simulated) altitude hotel of Kolobnev. Not the same. You can only maintain your condition there, but not improve it. Because one can not train on altitude. Just sleep on simulated altitude. Maybe train on a hometrainer TT-bike inside the hotel.
 
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The TTT is only 23kms on flat wide roads. Very fast. U don’t gain THAT much time if u do 56kmh and the other team does 55. So even if QS pulls it off I cannot see big time gaps.

The faster the course, the smaller the time differences.
Are you sure about that? If faster course means less turns, then the difference should be bigger because in corners, the power output difference between teams is nullified. Then again, if faster course means more flats as opposed to climbs - again, I'm not that sure that 450 : 400 W translates into bigger difference on climbs than on flats, assuming the same average weight between team members. I'd have to check the equations to be sure...

Edit: If anyone wants to have some fun, here is a great site for these kind of things:
https://www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html
 
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Are you sure about that? If faster course means less turns, then the difference should be bigger because in corners, the power output difference between teams is nullified. Then again, if faster course means more flats as opposed to climbs - again, I'm not that sure that 450 : 400 W translates into bigger difference on climbs than on flats, assuming the same average weight between team members. I'd have to check the equations to be sure...

Edit: If anyone wants to have some fun, here is a great site for these kind of things:
https://www.gribble.org/cycling/power_v_speed.html
I am sure what u state probably comes into play. However it is just maths. As long as the total distance is the same, the faster the course, the quicker u cover it, the less difference that can be made.

There is a bigger time gap between someone who does 45kph and their opponent who does 44 than 55 to 54. Given that the power difference to achieve those gaps is greatest in the 55-54. So it is actually harder to go faster at the higher speeds where you also make less of a time gap.

You ever climb a mountain and go down the other side? U may go up it in an hour at 12 kph and descend it in 15 mins at 48. However your average speed is not the midpoint 30kph. The slow, harder ascent took much more time. Your friend who went up at 13 kph still got back down to the bottom way before you even if he went slower downhill by a similar amount.
 
I am sure what u state probably comes into play. However it is just maths. As long as the total distance is the same, the faster the course, the quicker u cover it, the less difference that can be made.

There is a bigger time gap between someone who does 45kph and their opponent who does 44 than 55 to 54. Given that the power difference to achieve those gaps is greatest in the 55-54. So it is actually harder to go faster at the higher speeds where you also make less of a time gap.

You ever climb a mountain and go down the other side? U may go up it in an hour at 12 kph and descend it in 15 mins at 48. However your average speed is not the midpoint 30kph. The slow, harder ascent took much more time. Your friend who went up at 13 kph still got back down to the bottom way before you even if he went slower downhill by a similar amount.
Yes but I think we are basing our assumptions on the wrong quantity. It’s not the speed difference that is given but rather than that it is power difference. Speed difference is a function of a power difference. What I’m saying is that the same power difference could result in 1 kph speed difference on the climb and 5 kph on the straight.

Your example (in bold font) shows that the more power the team produces, the bigger the power difference is needed to establish the same time difference - since power of wind resistance is not linear with speed. I think… It’s late:)
 
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From the Van Aert thread courtesy of @Berflamand

"Van Aert won't ride the Worlds TT to prepare optimally for the Road Race.
Van Aert and Remco will be co-leaders at the Road Race and both will get a personal domestique. It should be Benoot for Van Aert and possibly Lampaert for Remco. Lampaert and Remco to ride the TT in that scenario.
Also Stuyven is a certainty for the Road Race. The rest of the selection is to be decided before the end of the month."

Ala and the French must be laughing.
 
From the Van Aert thread courtesy of @Berflamand

"Van Aert won't ride the Worlds TT to prepare optimally for the Road Race.
Van Aert and Remco will be co-leaders at the Road Race and both will get a personal domestique. It should be Benoot for Van Aert and possibly Lampaert for Remco. Lampaert and Remco to ride the TT in that scenario.
Also Stuyven is a certainty for the Road Race. The rest of the selection is to be decided before the end of the month."

Ala and the French must be laughing.
agreed. now WvA is basically doubling down and putting the pressure on. he did it last year when he demanded sole leadership. now he basically says he is sacrificing the ITT and putting on the pressure in another way. it would be nuts to fail to use remco again. and it seems like there is no way in hell they can cohabitate unless remco comes out of vuelta exhausted...
 
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Yes but I think we are basing our assumptions on the wrong quantity. It’s not the speed difference that is given but rather than that it is power difference. Speed difference is a function of a power difference. What I’m saying is that the same power difference could result in 1 kph speed difference on the climb and 5 kph on the straight.

Your example (in bold font) shows that the more power the team produces, the bigger the power difference is needed to establish the same time difference - since power of wind resistance is not linear with speed. I think… It’s late:)
yes, but if you have to ride for longer (because the course is more difficult) the same difference in power output will provide bigger time gaps. i am (almost) certain... ;-)
 
On the other hand the TTT is only 23km on a pan flat parcour. While Remco is extremely good in an ITT, in a TTT he might not be the biggest asset, they probably will need a designated member behind remco since that will count as half a pull by itself. :oops:

Not sure if the differences will be that big. Last TTT in the tour was 2018, where the difference between 1st and 10th was less than a minute over 35km (avg speed 54,944km/h).
But any time he can take is welcome! :)

Edit: I agree with others, if this was an ITT as well it would have been a lot better for Remco. Might have ended up with most likely at least 2 stage wins that way.
There was a flatish 27k TTT in the 2019 TDF which TJV won by 20s to Ineos. Looking at the line-up of that TJV squad i feel confident in saying that the team that QuickStep SHOULD be starting in the Vuelta, could beat that 2019 TJV squad and likely non of the other squads will be as good as those other TDF2019 teams.

Evenepoel, Alaphilippe, Van Wilder, Cavagna, Cerny, Masnada Devenyns, Vervaeke.

But obviously, another ITT would have been better for him.

yes, but if you have to ride for longer (because the course is more difficult) the same difference in power output will provide bigger time gaps. i am (almost) certain... ;-)
Yes but I think we are basing our assumptions on the wrong quantity. It’s not the speed difference that is given but rather than that it is power difference. Speed difference is a function of a power difference. What I’m saying is that the same power difference could result in 1 kph speed difference on the climb and 5 kph on the straight.

Your example (in bold font) shows that the more power the team produces, the bigger the power difference is needed to establish the same time difference - since power of wind resistance is not linear with speed. I think… It’s late:)
A more technical course will suit a specialist/technical rider better. A course with lots of braking and accelerating will suit a punchy rider better. A flat/straight/windy TT will suit an aero/power rider better.

If there is a lot of wind, a flat/straight TT might well lead to bigger gaps than a technical course. But generally speaking, cornering alone will favor specialists more than pure power.
 
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The one question mark would be a total lack of experience in TTT with unrestricted gears for both Evenepoel and Van Wilder although their ITT results suggest both should be very strong contributors.
They have been training TTT a few times this year. Also Evenepoel did a TTT when he just turned pro in UAE Tour. Van Wilder did a short one in Coppi Bartali last year.
 
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agreed. now WvA is basically doubling down and putting the pressure on. he did it last year when he demanded sole leadership. now he basically says he is sacrificing the ITT and putting on the pressure in another way. it would be nuts to fail to use remco again. and it seems like there is no way in hell they can cohabitate unless remco comes out of vuelta exhausted...
If Selfish Van Aert acts up again in the worlds this year, then Remco should ride with Alap and try and get a 1-2 for Quikstep. Lay the smack down on SVA
 
But Vingegaard and Van Aert have proven that they can do that. Evenepoel hasn't.

Evenepoel does not do an extra altitude camp for the Vuelta. He is staying in the (simulated) altitude hotel of Kolobnev. Not the same. You can only maintain your condition there, but not improve it. Because one can not train on altitude. Just sleep on simulated altitude. Maybe train on a hometrainer TT-bike inside the hotel.
I think its a massive mistake to say its not possible to improve your condition without altitude training…
 
If Selfish Van Aert acts up again in the worlds this year, then Remco should ride with Alap and try and get a 1-2 for Quikstep. Lay the smack down on SVA
Theres no way that could happen or any rider/trade team/federal team would be okay with getting second willingly and letting someone else get the win. And that’s Asking the federal team to never take you again. The only situation I can think of is Vino with Ullrich and Klöden on T-Mobile.
 
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Theres no way that could happen or any rider/trade team/federal team would be okay with getting second willingly and letting someone else get the win. And that’s Asking the federal team to never take you again. The only situation I can think of is Vino with Ullrich and Klöden on T-Mobile.
That was the exact race I was thinking of

Was the only time T Mobile rode as a team

Also the 2008 Olympic TT. Spain protested Leiphemier's bronze for an illegal bike over Contador. Bruyneel somehow got the matter dropped
 
The main problem for Ineos is that their GC guys (Carapaz and Hart) are the weak links. That means they will have to adapt to them as they can't leave them. At Quick-Step, even if guys like Cavagna, Cerny go all out, there is no risk of dropping Evenepoel. They could even bury themselves and drop the final 5-10k and let Evenepoel, Van Wilder, Alaphilippe and Masnada take it to the line.
I think you are underestimating Carapaz and Hart in a 23km TTT. More weaker in a TTT than Alaphilippe and Masnada on current form? Carapaz can put in a good effort when it counts and Tao looks to be much closer to his 2020 Giro form after getting over illness and crashes since that Giro victory.
 
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That was the exact race I was thinking of

Was the only time T Mobile rode as a team

Also the 2008 Olympic TT. Spain protested Leiphemier's bronze for an illegal bike over Contador. Bruyneel somehow got the matter dropped
I think that’s showing more Bruyneel favoring one rider over the other then two working together since they’re on the same team. And with Vino his hands were tied since he wasn’t a star yet and Ullrich was Versus Ala and Evenepoel are stars, on top of Quickstep being Belgium.
 

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