Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[SHAD0W93]

Lampaert thinks he should win "something like the Ballon d'Or of cycling"... WTF. Do these guys not even know there is a Velo d'Or?

Belgium is still feeling that ecstasy high.

 

[Didinho]

Remco dropping lutchenko without looking back. Eerily similar to Hinault dropping baronchelli in 1980 at Sallanches.

the similarities continue.

He said that Lutsenko was pulling less and less so he pushed hard on the climb to drop him.

 

[Big Doopie]

Done:
Belgian TT - check
Euro TT - check
Worlds RR - check

To do:
Belgian RR (best: bronze)
Euro RR (best: silver)
Worlds TT (best: silver)

and only 22…

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Done:
Belgian TT - check
Euro TT - check
Worlds RR - check

To do:
Belgian RR (best: bronze)
Euro RR (best: silver)
Worlds TT (best: silver)

and only 22…

Let's not get too excited, those guys peak early nowadays. Pogi already on a serious decline so Remco has 1 (or max. 2) seasons to win more.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

An absolute GOAT of the sport. What a guy.

 

[del1962]

There will be some battles between Taj and Remco for best rider of the season over next few years

 

[QueenStagiaire]

There will be some battles between Taj and Remco for best rider of the season over next few years

Taj Jones of Israel-Premier Tech?

 

[Pantani_lives]

The thing with Remco is that he makes it look so easy. When he did this at the juniors we thought, this won't work with the pros! When he won his first San Sebastian people said, "This will only work once!" When he won LBL they said the chase wasn't well organized. After a while you have to admit it's always the same guy who gets away.

 

[del1962]

The thing with Remco is that he makes it look so easy. When he did this at the juniors we thought, this won't work with the pros! When he won his first San Sebastian people said, "This will only work once!" When he won LBL they said the chase wasn't well organized. After a while you have to admit it's always the same guy who gets away.

Of course to some extent the chase is disorganised, but the reallity is that it takes a superstrong rider to do this even with a disorganised chase, and that is where Remco is supreme. Could other widers do it only a select few.

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

There will be some battles between Taj and Remco for best rider of the season over next few years

Well, Tadej was newcomer at the professionals in 2019, was at his best in 2020 and 2021, and now - in 2022 - was on the decline for the first time. He seems to be past his peak, and now probably turns his attention towards Giro, Vuelta, and races like Fleche Wallonne, Brabantse Pijl, Giro dell‘Emilia or Donostia (San Sebastian).

In the Tour, it will be Vinge vs Remco vs Ayuso in 2023, and Remco vs Ayuso from 2024 to probably ca 2029.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Well, Tadej was newcomer at the professionals in 2019, was at his best in 2020 and 2021, and now - in 2022 - was on the decline for the first time. He seems to be past his peak, and now probably turns his attention towards Giro, Vuelta, and races like Fleche Wallonne, Brabantse Pijl, Giro dell‘Emilia or Donostia (San Sebastian).

In the Tour, it will be Vinge vs Remco vs Ayuso in 2023, and Remco vs Ayuso from 2024 to probably ca 2029.

Don't forget that Primoz, after a successful spell in cross-country skiing, will come back to finally win the Tour in 2030 when all the mutants are retired!

 

[red_flanders]

At Flowsports they list the start time as 8:05PM Eastern time for Pacific is 5:05pm probably as the other races still at the start point and a few minutes till roll out.

I ended up falling asleep an hour before the finale.

 

[Red Rick]

The thing with Remco is that he makes it look so easy. When he did this at the juniors we thought, this won't work with the pros! When he won his first San Sebastian people said, "This will only work once!" When he won LBL they said the chase wasn't well organized. After a while you have to admit it's always the same guy who gets away.

I mean now it's just learned helplessness in the peloton. They kinda watch Evenepoel go and say "oops". I still don't think the chase in LBL was that good, but people should learn by now you can't mark Evenepoel with 2nd tier leaders or with tired domestiques.

In Liege there was obviously a degree of luck in that Pogacar and Roglic, the 2 would be favorites weren't there because of injury and COVID. Today it was clear there would be very few riders that would be 'suited' to the role of marking Evenepoel. My guess is Pogacar didn't have legs. Van der Poel wasn't there either for obvious reasons. Van Aert is a teammate.

And I don't say this to detract from his win, but teams to go into a race like today with a clear plan of how to respond to Evenepoel because it has become a very frequent feature in races like these. Now these strategical adaptations should be much easier in trade team races, because the parcourses are much more established and there's a much more clear focal point of attack. Like a good Pogacar shouldn't have a lot of downside of responding to Evenepoel on Redoute. Lombardia is the same. It's pretty much Civiglio all in, not really a point where you can attack before that on this years route.

With the Worlds it is much harder because no radios, because national teams and because parcourses are unique circuits every time. And no national team has a 2nd leader good enough to just mark Evenepoel, unless Slovenia would bring Roglic in good form and either he or Pog would consistently sit on Evenepoels ass.

 

[houtdffan]

I mean now it's just learned helplessness in the peloton. They kinda watch Evenepoel go and say "oops". I still don't think the chase in LBL was that good, but people should learn by now you can't mark Evenepoel with 2nd tier leaders or with tired domestiques.

In Liege there was obviously a degree of luck in that Pogacar and Roglic, the 2 would be favorites weren't there because of injury and COVID. Today it was clear there would be very few riders that would be 'suited' to the role of marking Evenepoel. My guess is Pogacar didn't have legs. Van der Poel wasn't there either for obvious reasons. Van Aert is a teammate.

And I don't say this to detract from his win, but teams to go into a race like today with a clear plan of how to respond to Evenepoel because it has become a very frequent feature in races like these. Now these strategical adaptations should be much easier in trade team races, because the parcourses are much more established and there's a much more clear focal point of attack. Like a good Pogacar shouldn't have a lot of downside of responding to Evenepoel on Redoute. Lombardia is the same. It's pretty much Civiglio all in, not really a point where you can attack before that on this years route.

With the Worlds it is much harder because no radios, because national teams and because parcourses are unique circuits every time. And no national team has a 2nd leader good enough to just mark Evenepoel, unless Slovenia would bring Roglic in good form and either he or Pog would consistently sit on Evenepoels ass.

And on a good day, Remco would still swat them away like flies

 

[Skijumper Roglic fan]

Don't forget that Primoz, after a successful spell in cross-country skiing, will come back to finally win the Tour in 2030 when all the mutants are retired!

My biggest hope is that Primoz wins the Tour even beforehand. I‘ve been watching pro cycling since 1997, and probably will keep on watching until the last day of my life. I‘m sure, however, there has been, is, and will be nothing that I hope so much for, as I hope for a TdF GC final victory of Roglic. He deserves it so much!…

Sorry @ you guys, for off topic…

 

[DNP-Old]

I would love for Remco to give the RvV a crack at some point too.

 

[OlavEH]

And on a good day, Remco would still swat them away like flies

Pog, Van Aert and Van der Poel? No, woudn't. Not if they were in top shape too.

 

[Red Rick]

Pog, Van Aert and Van der Poel? No, woudn't. Not if they were in top shape too.

I will give it to Evenepoel that if the race is hard enough he'll probably outsprint Van Aert.

 

[Pantani Attacks]

There will be some battles between Taj and Remco for best rider of the season over next few years

I hope they smash the boring Jumbo Bus for years to come. Two most exciting cyclists since Contador arrived on the scene and even then their one day capability and achievements are far ahead of Bertie already at such a young age.

 

[OlavEH]

I hope they smash the boring Jumbo Bus for years to come. Two most exciting cyclists since Contador arrived on the scene and even then their one day capability and achievements are far ahead of Bertie already at such a young age.

I'm on the other side. Rather hoping for Jumbo and even more Van der Poel than Pog and Remco. Especially Pog, but that is mostly due to the team.

 

[tobydawq]

Lampaert thinks he should win "something like the Ballon d'Or of cycling"... WTF. Do these guys not even know there is a Velo d'Or?

Well, he's just a Belgian farmer's son, how would he know about what goes on in international media?

 

[Big Doopie]

I mean now it's just learned helplessness in the peloton. They kinda watch Evenepoel go and say "oops". I still don't think the chase in LBL was that good, but people should learn by now you can't mark Evenepoel with 2nd tier leaders or with tired domestiques.

In Liege there was obviously a degree of luck in that Pogacar and Roglic, the 2 would be favorites weren't there because of injury and COVID. Today it was clear there would be very few riders that would be 'suited' to the role of marking Evenepoel. My guess is Pogacar didn't have legs. Van der Poel wasn't there either for obvious reasons. Van Aert is a teammate.

And I don't say this to detract from his win, but teams to go into a race like today with a clear plan of how to respond to Evenepoel because it has become a very frequent feature in races like these. Now these strategical adaptations should be much easier in trade team races, because the parcourses are much more established and there's a much more clear focal point of attack. Like a good Pogacar shouldn't have a lot of downside of responding to Evenepoel on Redoute. Lombardia is the same. It's pretty much Civiglio all in, not really a point where you can attack before that on this years route.

With the Worlds it is much harder because no radios, because national teams and because parcourses are unique circuits every time. And no national team has a 2nd leader good enough to just mark Evenepoel, unless Slovenia would bring Roglic in good form and either he or Pog would consistently sit on Evenepoels ass.

good post.

however, I think it is becoming clearer now that here and at San Sebastián, Remco was not just strong and benefitting from hesitant or second tier chasers or whatever.

On both those days, Remco was absolutely head and shoulders over all competition, literally riding them off his wheel and then steadily increasing the gap to record levels in modern times.

those two days were the most dominant rides of the season (honorable mention to Pog’s Strade). And he has done both arguably during the same part of the season when he appears to have found his consistency. It is a frightening prospect for the future…

 

[Red Rick]

Lampaert thinks he should win "something like the Ballon d'Or of cycling"... WTF. Do these guys not even know there is a Velo d'Or?

Can I nominate Roglic for the equivalent of Fallon d'Floor

 

[Extinction]

If he has this season for the next 10 years his palmares just about matches Merckx, let's not get carried away.

Can't compare epochs anyway. Merckx today doesn't win as much. Let's just say Evenepoel is the real deal.

 

[Riek s]

The biggest advantage for Remco in these races is the lack of earpieces/information.

By the time the peleton knows who is in the break he has an advantage that no team wants to close by themselves.

Ofcourse that is because the way he rides... he attacks, he drives a break. if you rely on control the lack of communication is a lot harder to work with.