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Riek s said:
yes crashing in Lombardia while being in very good position and losing the rest of that season( which was postponed due to covid) + struggling to get back in the next year (while also loosing the first half of it) due to that crash is luck.

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Who decided how soon he was training again after his injury? He did. He made a poor decision, and he reaped the consequences of it. Not bad luck.
 
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So who forced him to train again so soon after his crash?
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The fact that you really insist in having this discussion is telling. Missing or misjudging a corner is indeed not bad luck. The fact that that leads to a crash that could have cost you your life, that could have ended your career, and put you in the hospital for months, months in bed, on crutches and in a wheelchair, is bad luck. Riders miss corners in every race. Most of them get up, get a new bike, and continue the race. If i remember correctly, Pogacar crashed in a corner in the TDF last year (i'm sure you will remember as well since your friend Vingegaard waited for him).

Evenepoel is not a medic, not a surgeon, he was a young inexperienced rider. This is not about luck, this is not his fault, those are just facts. Blaming him for training too soon too hard after his crash and not interpreting the signals his body was sending him was as such a continuation of the bad luck. If you want to bring this into the equation, you might as well say Pogacar made his choice in having a girlfriend (nobody forced him), and not breaking up with his girlfriend when he knew his mother in law was sick. It's nonsensical and complete bullsht. You like to talk about other people's bias, but you are one of the most biased people on the forum. You just try to hide it behind your so called facts, often pulled out of context. This is no exception.
 
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The fact that you really insist in having this discussion is telling. Missing or misjudging a corner is indeed not bad luck. The fact that that leads to a crash that could have cost you your life, that could have ended your career, and put you in the hospital for months, months in bed, on crutches and in a wheelchair, is bad luck. Riders miss corners in every race. Most of them get up, get a new bike, and continue the race. If i remember correctly, Pogacar crashed in a corner in the TDF last year (i'm sure you will remember as well since your friend Vingegaard waited for him).

Evenepoel is not a medic, not a surgeon, he was a young inexperienced rider. This is not about luck, this is not his fault, those are just facts. Blaming him for training too soon too hard after his crash and not interpreting the signals his body was sending him was as such a continuation of the bad luck. If you want to bring this into the equation, you might as well say Pogacar made his choice in having a girlfriend (nobody forced him), and not breaking up with his girlfriend when he knew his mother in law was sick. It's nonsensical and complete bullsht. You like to talk about other people's bias, but you are one of the most biased people on the forum. You just try to hide it behind your so called facts, often pulled out of context. This is no exception.
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I see you are back to projecting your own nationalism on others again. Like how you thought I cheered for Fuglsang in Tokyo.

No one takes huge risks on the descent between Aubisque and Soulor, as the danger there is well-known. Taking risks and missing a corner on a dangerous descent is not bad luck. That Pogi suffered next to no injury from his crash was not luck on his part, it was par for such a crash. It's bad luck if you hit an object particularly bad. Like Lambrecht did. Was the consequence of Evenepoel crashing the way he did worse than what you could expect if another rider fell off the road on the same spot? No. So he was not unlucky there.
 
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Andy schleck said:
Vingegaard laughing about pogacar vs evenepoel, thinking "kill yourselves" while i'm winning another tour france.
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Completely accurate. Just like i imagine the boys of Take That were laughing about silly debates who was best between the Stones vs the Beatles, while millions of 9 year old girls where buying their albums. And we all know Take That >>>> Stones/Beatles.
 
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I see you are back to projecting your own nationalism on others again. Like how you thought I cheered for Fuglsang in Tokyo.

No one takes huge risks on the descent between Aubisque and Soulor, as the danger there is well-known. Taking risks and missing a corner on a dangerous descent is not bad luck. That Pogi suffered next to no injury from his crash was not luck on his part, it was par for such a crash. It's bad luck if you hit an object particularly bad. Like Lambrecht did. Was the consequence of Evenepoel crashing the way he did worse than what you could expect if another rider fell off the road on the same spot? No. So he was not unlucky there.
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Not sure if the saying is about these straws.. but i think you are trying to grab them

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I see you are back to projecting your own nationalism on others again. Like how you thought I cheered for Fuglsang in Tokyo.

No one takes huge risks on the descent between Aubisque and Soulor, as the danger there is well-known. Taking risks and missing a corner on a dangerous descent is not bad luck. That Pogi suffered next to no injury from his crash was not luck on his part, it was par for such a crash. It's bad luck if you hit an object particularly bad. Like Lambrecht did. Was the consequence of Evenepoel crashing the way he did worse than what you could expect if another rider fell off the road on the same spot? No. So he was not unlucky there.
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False.
 
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False.
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See here:

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Oh wow, so now it's Van Aert's fault that he didn't bring back EVERY attack, after having each and every single opponent ride against him since Pogacar's attack? :sweatsmile:
Or is it because the nationality of one of Fuglsang/Woods that brings you to this rather ironic statement? How is an attack of Carapaz/McNulty, who have shown jack sht in 1 day races in their careers, more dangerous than the attack of two riders who actually have pedigree in 1 day racing?
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Where you also argued that the only explanation for me thinking that Vingegaard (after stage 7) was a podium contender in the 2021 Tour was nationalism. Great point.
 
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