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Gratemans

Gratemans

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Krzysztof_O said:
Respect towards your rival and confidence in your own ability. That's how it should be. I'm fine with him saying he knows how to beat Pogacar. His achievements in one-day races back it up. However, if he loses some will point out this quote to criticize him.
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Which would be unfair tbh. That you know how to beat someone doesn't mean you're 100% sure you're gonna be successful.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Remco already proved he can maintain his peak shape for more than a month. I think Pogi is winning because his base level is very good, better than third tier riders. If it is enough to beat Remco in peak shape? I have my doubts. There is no rivalry yet, they never raced sgainst each other when both are in great shape. Probably, we will have the first round today. However, I think we need to wait for a GT to really see a showdown between these two.
A rivalry is like Jonas against Pogacar or WVA vs MVP
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Peyroteo94 said:
Love Remco but his fans are... huh...
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I'm sorry how can you complain about Remco's fans when stating that Pog is winning dominantly while still at his 'base' level. If i recall correctly Pog stated he was never so good after RVV. Pog is at his absolute peak atm not at his 'base' level.
 
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Riek s said:
I'm sorry how can you complain about Remco's fans when stating that Pog is winning dominantly while still at his 'base' level. If i recall correctly Pog stated he was never so good after RVV. Pog is at his absolute peak atm not at his 'base' level.
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Winning in Ardennes man. He was at his peak in Flanders, not 2 and 3 weeks later. Remco is not a third tier rider, so I expect a big battle today however I think we shouldn't take conclusions from this race. We need to wait, probably just in 2024 we will have a peak Remco against a peak Pogacar.
 
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Peyroteo94 said:
Winning in Ardennes man. He was at his peak in Flanders, not 2 and 3 weeks later. Remco is not a third tier rider, so I expect a big battle today however I think we shouldn't take conclusions from this race. We need to wait, probably just in 2024 we will have a peak Remco against a peak Pogacar.
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So Pog, 2 times TDF winner, drops from his peak in 2 weeks of no racing (just training) ? (You were the one stating Remco can be peak now - until the end of the Giro..)
Pog peaked for this period RVV/AGR/LBL. Maybe he peaked a little early, but he didn't race for 2 weeks (RVV<->AGR). So its not like he raced a GT between RVV and AGR. And given how he rode in AGR, he was still at his peak.
 
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Riek s said:
So Pog, 2 times TDF winner, drops from his peak in 2 weeks of no racing (just training) ? (You were the one stating Remco can be peak now - until the end of the Giro..)
Pog peaked for this period RVV/AGR/LBL. Maybe he peaked a little early, but he didn't race for 2 weeks (RVV<->AGR). So its not like he raced a GT between RVV and AGR. And given how he rode in AGR, he was still at his peak.
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We agree to disagree. Let's move on. No one is right, no one is wrong
 
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Extinction said:
Before giving lessons about how "blindly arrogant" Remco fans are, when in fact the vast majority are just enthusiastic (with reason) supporters, why don't you look in the mirror? Despite having been handily beaten at the last Tour, being unimpressive at Worlds and winning recently against not the best competition, you are making Pog out to be the Messiah. I'm not reading from Remco fans, however, that Pog isn't number one on results so far, but what do you expect them to do mock Evenepoel as a result? And mostly nobody contests Roglic's fine qualities, other than an occasional wheelsucker comment with justification. Evenepoel lost 1.5 years in his young career due to a terrible accident, is back on track but following his own itinerary, with only a dethroned Primoz at Jumbo likewise taking on the Giro.

And before smugly getting ahead of yourself, the rivalry has only just begun. So let's take inventory again in five years.
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Winning lately against not the best competition is hilarious! So winning Amstel and the Flèche against "not the best competition" now is some sort of negative?

See the bolded part for some arrogance. The first one definitely, true, not reading that Pogacar isn't number 1 on results, but "on results" is the key. The general impression you get reading Remco fans here is (of course not by every single fan): Remco is the best, Pogacar just has the better results. See your post, going out of your way to mention that it's "on results". Don't think Pogacar will mind getting the results but being number 2 though.
The second one, ok, confidence in the abilities of Remco, why not. But you sure sound confident that in 5 years results wise it will look different. Maybe then Remco will be number 1 "on results", but not on talent! :)

Right now Pogacar is number 1. That can change, but won't change today whatever happens. Number 1 isn't decided in 1 race, or 2... but yes, the rivalry that isn't really one yet since they haven't met often enough for it really is just starting. Let's hope both decide to go after the Vuelta later this year. (And Mas wins).

The time Remco lost due to his crash seems to keep getting longer... can we cancel some of his wins in those 1,5 years? Bruxelles maybe.
 
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Extinction said:
Before giving lessons about how "blindly arrogant" Remco fans are, when in fact the vast majority are just enthusiastic (with reason) supporters, why don't you look in the mirror? Despite having been handily beaten at the last Tour, being unimpressive at Worlds and winning recently against not the best competition, you are making Pog out to be the Messiah. I'm not reading from Remco fans, however, that Pog isn't number one on results so far, but what do you expect them to do mock Evenepoel as a result? And mostly nobody contests Roglic's fine qualities, other than an occasional wheelsucker comment with justification. Evenepoel lost 1.5 years in his young career due to a terrible accident, is back on track but following his own itinerary, with only a dethroned Primoz at Jumbo likewise taking on the Giro.

And before smugly getting ahead of yourself, the rivalry has only just begun. So let's take inventory again in five years.
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Please find me one example of me saying anything in that context (and I understand it's meant figuratively) of Pogačar being this or that, or even just praising his cycling abilities or results in general (not with regards to specific result). Your statement is either false or I really don't understand what you mean by that and my mirror must be malfunctioning.

I'm sorry, "blindly arrogant" could have been worded better. Something more like being very assured, leaving little space for doubt in your statements and strongly expressed beliefs.
Of course, you can believe what you want, but you can't have rational-factual discussion based purely on subjective beliefs. That's why churches have recognized, that my god vs your god debates are pointless, while only stirring the pot.

Sure, I'm sure I'll enjoy the racing the next five years regardless of who will come out on top, but until then, let's do the current affairs with the inventory we have now.
I even have nothing against his (or any) fans dreaming and even making plans about the future, but I do see problems when predictions of tomorrow are take as facts of yesterday.
 
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The fridge in the blue trees said:
Winning lately against not the best competition is hilarious! So winning Amstel and the Flèche against "not the best competition" now is some sort of negative?

See the bolded part for some arrogance. The first one definitely, true, not reading that Pogacar isn't number 1 on results, but "on results" is the key. The general impression you get reading Remco fans here is (of course not by every single fan): Remco is the best, Pogacar just has the better results. See your post, going out of your way to mention that it's "on results". Don't think Pogacar will mind getting the results but being number 2 though.
The second one, ok, confidence in the abilities of Remco, why not. But you sure sound confident that in 5 years results wise it will look different. Maybe then Remco will be number 1 "on results", but not on talent! :)

Right now Pogacar is number 1. That can change, but won't change today whatever happens. Number 1 isn't decided in 1 race, or 2... but yes, the rivalry that isn't really one yet since they haven't met often enough for it really is just starting. Let's hope both decide to go after the Vuelta later this year. (And Mas wins).

The time Remco lost due to his crash seems to keep getting longer... can we cancel some of his wins in those 1,5 years? Bruxelles maybe.
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What on earth are you talking about? Pog (and Vingo) are tops, however, Remco has shown he can produce huge performances. The future holds what it may.
 
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how yes no? said:
I, for one, am actually hoping that IF Remco loses today and the Giro, that some of his fans will allow for a possibility that he's not the half-god that they currently act like he is.

I realize that being a fan can have almost a religious component, but even the biggest religions have recognized the need for mutual tolerance and respect.

... back in the day, I was worried about the new Slovenian fans being blindly-arrogant, but some of the Remco fans make us look really good in comparison, or maybe we are no better, and it's just that Roglič and Pogačar have so far managed to support with evidence even the most arrogant of our dreams, and Remco is just not there yet.
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Have you even read the Roglic bromance thread?
 
Andy schleck

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Riek s said:
How is there no rivalry? Pog wants to win LBL and Remco as well. Same for il lombardia this year. So how are they not rivals?

FYI1: Pog won a classic against WVA right before the worlds. So saying he was far from his best shape is bs. Just because he didn't win doesn't mean he was 'far' from his best shape.

FYI2: Remco peaks for Giro (3rd week he still needs to have it) he is less prepared than last year. Something that was said before as well. The moment they said they would go for the Giro it was stated he will do LBL, but he would be less prepared... but he did want to try and defend his title (otherwise he wouldn't even start, like Roglic). So don't make it as if he put his complete and everything in this race. (Unlike Pog who made the classics his peak, with very great success up and maybe including today.).
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It doesn't matter who is best between pogi and remco. They will lose to the fisher man at the tour 2024.
 
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