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Oldermanish said:
JV gets the buyout cash. At 33 he is not their future until they do the deal to sell him off: then they get to pay the toll when he wrecks a race or two against them.
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It's le Tour, le Tour and le Tour and he won't wreck that race against them. Nobody can, if Vingegaard is in top shape.
 
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It's le Tour, le Tour and le Tour and he won't wreck that race against them. Nobody can, if Vingegaard is in top shape.
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I wouldn't be so certain. Putting him in as a mutual assailant with Pogacar for their common good; do you really think Jonas could handle that? His wins have come with great support so he'll get to prove he doesn't need that help. It's not as easy when the entire strategy includes much more defense.
 
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Oldermanish said:
I wouldn't be so certain. Putting him in as a mutual assailant with Pogacar for their common good; do you really think Jonas could handle that? His wins have come with great support so he'll get to prove he doesn't need that help. It's not as easy when the entire strategy includes much more defense.
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Absolutely, yes. Every Tour winner, more or less, has great support. Jonas absolutely crushed the TT and you don't have support there. That's where he broke Tadej, both mentally and physically. For the rest he's got Kuss, the best in the business in the mountains support role. I don't buy the Pog-Rog alliance, because if one attacks the other must follow. They are every bit of rivals as Jonas is to each of them. And then, how do they drop Jonas? Rog isn't able to do it and Pog only can if Vingegaard makes a tactical mistake. But he has learned from the Tourmalet stage last year, so won't be pulling Pog up any climbs again. To the contrary, when Jonas attacks how are they going to stay with him?

Bar illness, a crash or injury, unless they mess up his prep, which is highly unlikely, Vingegaard is too strong for them.
 
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Oldermanish said:
I wouldn't be so certain. Putting him in as a mutual assailant with Pogacar for their common good; do you really think Jonas could handle that? His wins have come with great support so he'll get to prove he doesn't need that help. It's not as easy when the entire strategy includes much more defense.
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This is assuming that Roglic and Pogacar will work together... and that Roglic likes Pogacar more than Vingegaard, which I don't think is the case.
 
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stekelegel said:
I like the idea of evenepoel going to the tour together with Vinge. It’s his first tour, with the best team, no total pressure on him, he can ride podium in Jonas shadow, win like Kuss, or take over when anything happens.
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Do you really think Evenepoel is going to Jumbo? With Vingegaard? I know it's what seems to be in the works, but really? If that were the case, then the cycling world truely is turned upside down. I don't understand anything anymore, except that money and business rule. I'm aware of that, mind you, but still. And what would Remco's role be at the Tour? Domestique? Stage hunter? Co-captain? Amphibion? Once there was Lemond hooking up with Hinault at la Vie Claire, but one was in the twilight of his career, the other a Tour podium phenom. Whereas Vingo is in the prime of his career and Evenepoel has had hick-ups. I can't see this going well.
 
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It’s interesting that many are focusing on the potential conflict with Vingegaard. I tend to think that could work out, with Remco learning a few things from the Dane, and the personalities I think potentially meshing well.

The more natural conflict strikes me as being with WVA during races like LBL. That’s not the bulk of the season so maybe not that big a deal, but still something to work out. WVA can’t be terribly excited about having to share the spotlight he seems to really love with a media magnet like Evenepoel, especially if Remco harbors eventual Flanders/E3/Wevelgem style ambitions.

Add the Belgian press to that equation…
 
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red_flanders said:
It’s interesting that many are focusing on the potential conflict with Vingegaard. I tend to think that could work out, with Remco learning a few things from the Dane, and the personalities I think potentially meshing well.

The more natural conflict strikes me as being with WVA during races like LBL. But that’s not the bulk of the season so maybe not that big a deal, but still something to work out. WVA can’t be terribly excited about having to share the spotlight he seems to really love with a media magnet like Evenepoel, especially if Remco harbors Flanders eventual ambitions.

Add the Belgian press to that equation…
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To the bolded, are you an astrologer? Magus? Hierophant?
 
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Refusing to race with Vingegaard should erase like 5 years of "too much pressure at Tour" bs.

In reality, Evenepoel would benefit insanely from being at Jumbo.
 
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Absolutely, yes. Every Tour winner, more or less, has great support. Jonas absolutely crushed the TT and you don't have support there. That's where he broke Tadej, both mentally and physically. For the rest he's got Kuss, the best in the business in the mountains support role. I don't buy the Pog-Rog alliance, because if one attacks the other must follow. They are every bit of rivals as Jonas is to each of them. And then, how do they drop Jonas? Rog isn't able to do it and Pog only can if Vingegaard makes a tactical mistake. But he has learned from the Tourmalet stage last year, so won't be pulling Pog up any climbs again. To the contrary, when Jonas attacks how are they going to stay with him?

Bar illness, a crash or injury, unless they mess up his prep, which is highly unlikely, Vingegaard is too strong for them.
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pffff.
same old story
Bernal is gonna win the next 5 tours
Pog is gonna win the next 5 tours
Fishboy is gonna win the next 5 tours
 
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saunaking said:
pffff.
same old story
Bernal is gonna win the next 5 tours
Pog is gonna win the next 5 tours
Fishboy is gonna win the next 5 tours
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Oh, please, Bernal was the next "Massi" until Pogacar came along, who was the next god, until Vingo came along. Vingo wins the next foreseeable Tours, unless he crashes or falls ill.
 
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