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Volderke

Volderke

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Peyroteo94 said:
So he is 2 kilos heavier than he should be, this means he needs to lose at least 3 kilos to be in his GT perfect weight
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No idea, but let's be honest: Remco at his ideal climbing weight will still be dropped by Pogacar, and Remco at climbing weight = 95% power for the TT. So it will never work out perfectly. He can only get a good result by being resilient, and I saw him working on that.
 
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Volderke

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Red Rick said:
2022 Vuelta ITT was at 95% of his power?
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Remco was still young and lean back in those days :D
A bit more serious: yes, I realized when typing my previous post that he was lean and at good weight, but 2022 was perfect preparation. He simply couldn't have that for this Tour, and everyone saying, even before the Tour starts, that he's doing things wrong, is just covering himself so they could say 'I told you so'. Just let the boy do his thing.
 
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Volderke said:
Remco was still young and lean back in those days :D
A bit more serious: yes, I realized when typing my previous post that he was lean and at good weight, but 2022 was perfect preparation. He simply couldn't have that for this Tour, and everyone saying, even before the Tour starts, that he's doing things wrong, is just covering himself so they could say 'I told you so'. Just let the boy do his thing.
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Why is it so Remco always needs perfect preparation to win?
 
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Froome said:
Mate, Thomas doesn't have half of the talent of Evenepoel, and he won the Tour. Sometimes, being in the right place at the right time, plus some ilness or bad luck or other goals from some top GT rider, and it happens.
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Thomas has more than enough talent...world champion, olympic champion on the track, 1st and 2nd in the Tour and 2nd and 3rd in the Giro ..Remco could only dream of those GT results..

but the issue is not talent alone ..

First there is the competition from Pogacar & Vingegaard, who are much better GT riders . And then there are the up and coming riders have some great climbers in their ranks

Sure remco has great power and is very aero but his climbing level has not shown the level he has needed to be a real contender for a Tour de France but that alone may not be what is holding him back

There is one thing...how badly does he want it ?
Bet Vinegared who has been several weeks off the bike is not scrambling around to lose 2 or 3 kilos
Wiggo spent most of a year like a monk in Tenerife to get to his weight and win the Tour
Maybe winning came to easy to Remco as a junior ?
Even Remco Evenepoel has to ask himself how badly does he want to be able to contend with the other big 3 and why he has turned up to a race less then 3 weeks to go not in shape ( and don't give me he crashed , others crashed and they are better and slimmer than him)
 
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Volderke said:
stop the pedantic behaviour. Chillax.

He is too heavy, he himself admitted this. He literally said in the interview, yesterday, he needs to shed 2kgs and is working on it, and he is, weight-wise, where he is now, because (and I quote) he had '3 weeks off the bike'. You can be severely disappointed Remco gained weight (or didn't loose weight) during those 3 weeks off the bike, but as we tend to say: c'est la vie. Deal with it. Don't nag about it the whole time. You've beaten the topic to death, enough is enough.
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Clearly i have not beaten the topic to death since it is still very much relevant. I read the quote, we were just discussing it above your post. If he knows he adds 2kg in 3 weeks off the bike (an extremely conservative estimation, surely) then why doesn't he or the team take that into account? It IS possible to have a diet that lets you keep your current weight. Stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that off the bike HAS to mean, adding weight. It doesn't.

I'll gladly stop acting pedantic when you stop telling people what i mean or believe, or when i am making a joke or not. Did you think when i said he was touching Soler's butt to see how fat he was, that i was being serious? I think 8 out of 10 posts i've made on the subject the past few days were jokes. Yes, i believe he is too heavy, you clearly do as well, and he himself has admitted it. The issue i have is with the lack of professionalism. First of all, no way 1 to 1.5kg (as Lefevere claimed) are going to cut it. Not even 2. And believing that will solve the issue come TDF is asinine. And secondly, why TF can't he show restraint while off the bike? Now he'll need to lose a portion of that weight during the actual TDF, which is not advantageous, and he has basically forfeited his chances in the Dauphiné, because had he in fact been some 2.5-3kg lighter here, he would have been close to the win, even with his current form.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Clearly i have not beaten the topic to death since it is still very much relevant. I read the quote, we were just discussing it above your post. If he knows he adds 2kg in 3 weeks off the bike (an extremely conservative estimation, surely) then why doesn't he or the team take that into account? It IS possible to have a diet that lets you keep your current weight. Stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that off the bike HAS to mean, adding weight. It doesn't.

I'll gladly stop acting pedantic when you stop telling people what i mean or believe, or when i am making a joke or not. Did you think when i said he was touching Soler's butt to see how fat he was, that i was being serious? I think 8 out of 10 posts i've made on the subject the past few days were jokes. Yes, i believe he is too heavy, you clearly do as well, and he himself has admitted it. The issue i have is with the lack of professionalism. First of all, no way 1 to 1.5kg (as Lefevere claimed) are going to cut it. Not even 2. And believing that will solve the issue come TDF is asinine. And secondly, why TF can't he show restraint while off the bike? Now he'll need to lose a portion of that weight during the actual TDF, which is not advantageous, and he has basically forfeited his chances in the Dauphiné, because had he in fact been some 2.5-3kg lighter here, he would have been close to the win, even with his current form.
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Chillax still applies.
 
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Logic-is-your-friend said:
Clearly i have not beaten the topic to death since it is still very much relevant. I read the quote, we were just discussing it above your post. If he knows he adds 2kg in 3 weeks off the bike (an extremely conservative estimation, surely) then why doesn't he or the team take that into account? It IS possible to have a diet that lets you keep your current weight. Stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that off the bike HAS to mean, adding weight. It doesn't.

I'll gladly stop acting pedantic when you stop telling people what i mean or believe, or when i am making a joke or not. Did you think when i said he was touching Soler's butt to see how fat he was, that i was being serious? I think 8 out of 10 posts i've made on the subject the past few days were jokes. Yes, i believe he is too heavy, you clearly do as well, and he himself has admitted it. The issue i have is with the lack of professionalism. First of all, no way 1 to 1.5kg (as Lefevere claimed) are going to cut it. Not even 2. And believing that will solve the issue come TDF is asinine. And secondly, why TF can't he show restraint while off the bike? Now he'll need to lose a portion of that weight during the actual TDF, which is not advantageous, and he has basically forfeited his chances in the Dauphiné, because had he in fact been some 2.5-3kg lighter here, he would have been close to the win, even with his current form.
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Fully agreed.

Incessant belittling comments about Evenepoel's weight are fully justified. No need to praise him for being too heavy, and who can stand a thread that only allows sycophants?
 
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People are saying that Evenepoel's performance is affected by his crash. I think this is true to some extent. However, he still put 40 seconds into Roglic in the TT and crushed the opposition. Ok, maybe you'd expect him to be 20-30 seconds better than that but he won by a lot. The simple fact is that he is just not that good. Winning the TT and coming 7th overall is not far off what you'd expect from him. On hard mountain stages, he just falls away and can't compete in whatever form he's in. In top form, I'd expect him to be about 20 seconds better on the 4 GC stages but he would still be a way down. His fans need a good dose of reality, and I expect that's just what they will be getting in the Tour
 
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sam6 said:
People are saying that Evenepoel's performance is affected by his crash. I think this is true to some extent. However, he still put 40 seconds into Roglic in the TT and crushed the opposition. Ok, maybe you'd expect him to be 20-30 seconds better than that but he won by a lot. The simple fact is that he is just not that good. Winning the TT and coming 7th overall is not far off what you'd expect from him. On hard mountain stages, he just falls away and can't compete in whatever form he's in. In top form, I'd expect him to be about 20 seconds better on the 4 GC stages but he would still be a way down. His fans need a good dose of reality, and I expect that's just what they will be getting in the Tour
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At the Tour, a number of riders who could be top 7 at this field will race. So.....
 
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