Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[AmRacer]

Isn’t that what people say about Pogacar and the Tour? In general who doesn’t need perfect prep to win the biggest races against the best opposition?

Only when Jonas is in top shape in the Tour,
or when Pogi is up against Mathieu when he's in top shape.
For all other races, including this spring, Pogi doesn't need to be in top shape to win.

 

[Berniece]

Only when Jonas is in top shape in the Tour,
or when Pogi is up against Mathieu when he's in top shape.
For all other races, including this spring, Pogi doesn't need to be in top shape to win.

Neither does Remco... He won Algarve against the #2 in the Giro.

 

[AmRacer]

Neither does Remco... He won Algarve against the #2 in the Giro.

But not P-N and Dauphine.

 

[Berniece]

But not P-N and Dauphine.

Because there are riders that win every race they enter?

 

[AmRacer]

Because there are riders that win every race they enter?

I'm sure both Pogi and Jonas would have won those two races without being in top shape with perfect preparation againts the riders who raced.

 

[Salvarani]

King of Algarve aint too bad, if you like sunny weather and golf courses.

In cycling it is probably not anything to brag about though.

 

[AmRacer]

King of Algarve aint too bad, if you like sunny weather and golf courses.

In cycling it is probably not anything to brag about though.

The same can be said about Clásica de San Remco.

 

[Karl Merckx]

I'm sure both Pogi and Jonas would have won those two races without being in top shape with perfect preparation againts the riders who raced.

With a good team or with good tactics, Remco would have one this year's PN.
Jonas was behind Gaudu last year in PN .

 

[Berniece]

I'm sure both Pogi and Jonas would have won those two races without being in top shape with perfect preparation againts the riders who raced.

Paris-Nice wasn't lost due to his form, but due to tactics.

 

[AmRacer]

Paris-Nice wasn't lost due to his form, but due to tactics.

But hadn't been at altitude yet.
And Pogi/Jonas would've won with bad tactics.

 

[OJRvE]

Because there are riders that win every race they enter?

If I am not mistaken you are one of those that usually go into the Pog-thread and telling his victories does not have any values since they are against lesser competition.

 

[Berniece]

But hadn't been at altitude yet.
And Pogi/Jonas would've won with bad tactics.

Apparently Pogi/Jonas can do everything according to you without really having done that.

If I am not mistaken you are one of those that usually go into the Pog-thread and telling his victories does not have any values since they are against lesser competition.

Don't even know what that has to do with this.

 

[shadowrider]

I'm glad you are here to inform people when i'm joking or not.

I already replied to your post. He wants to be a GC/GT rider, then we should be able to discuss his weight, which is one of the most important factors for GC riders, in case you didn't know. He obviously isn't "fat" but he is way too heavy for a GC rider who wants to contest the TDF. That's a simple fact.

Way too heavy ? Are you serious ? Evenepoel has not the built of a climber. He has not the weight of a climber (related to his lenght). Nor should he has the weight of a climber. Not only for his health. Weighting 58/59 kg would lead to one or two strong mountainstages.... only to crash completely afterwards.
People are mistaken about Evenepoel because he happens to be small (in lenght). But in fact he is a Indurain type of rider. But today that's not enough against the (natural) skeletar watt-monsters. As I wrote before, there's is one exception. Pogacar. He seems to have it all. Immense talent, good proportions, good levers.
So, Evenepoel will always have to compete in another category, when it concerns GT's. His talent and physical proportions make it ideal for small stage races and difficult one-day races. But please, stop by criticizing him because he also has ambitions for GTs and the Tour. You should be pleased that such a type of rider has those ambitions..... and already succeeded once in the Vuelta 22. I don't exclude that Evenepoel, even not having the ideal tools for GT's will win another GT, or even the Tour during his career.

 

[shadowrider]

Mate, Thomas doesn't have half of the talent of Evenepoel, and he won the Tour. Sometimes, being in the right place at the right time, plus some ilness or bad luck or other goals from some top GT rider, and it happens.

Exactly. That's why I think Evenepoel could win another GT and even the Tour. If all goes well. But I also think that the younger Thomas in his best years wouldn't be able to beat Vingegaard or Pogacar in the Tour. That's why for Evenepoel, even more talented, it would be difficult to beat those two monsters of GT's. But not impossible.

 

[shadowrider]

No idea, but let's be honest: Remco at his ideal climbing weight will still be dropped by Pogacar, and Remco at climbing weight = 95% power for the TT. So it will never work out perfectly. He can only get a good result by being resilient, and I saw him working on that.

Exactly.

 

[AmRacer]

No idea, but let's be honest: Remco at his ideal climbing weight will still be dropped by Pogacar, and Remco at climbing weight = 95% power for the TT. So it will never work out perfectly. He can only get a good result by being resilient, and I saw him working on that.

This

 

[Didinho]

In the newspaper the team doctor says he needs to drop only 1kg for his optimal GT weight , around 62,5kg.
“We don’t want him to be too light because that happened before and that’s really bad.”

Couple days rest now. Going to Isola with Van Wilder, Pedersen and Hirt for 2 weeks at altitude and recon of stage 17 and 19.

 

[shadowrider]

Clearly i have not beaten the topic to death since it is still very much relevant. I read the quote, we were just discussing it above your post. If he knows he adds 2kg in 3 weeks off the bike (an extremely conservative estimation, surely) then why doesn't he or the team take that into account? It IS possible to have a diet that lets you keep your current weight. Stop acting like it is a foregone conclusion that off the bike HAS to mean, adding weight. It doesn't.

I'll gladly stop acting pedantic when you stop telling people what i mean or believe, or when i am making a joke or not. Did you think when i said he was touching Soler's butt to see how fat he was, that i was being serious? I think 8 out of 10 posts i've made on the subject the past few days were jokes. Yes, i believe he is too heavy, you clearly do as well, and he himself has admitted it. The issue i have is with the lack of professionalism. First of all, no way 1 to 1.5kg (as Lefevere claimed) are going to cut it. Not even 2. And believing that will solve the issue come TDF is asinine. And secondly, why TF can't he show restraint while off the bike? Now he'll need to lose a portion of that weight during the actual TDF, which is not advantageous, and he has basically forfeited his chances in the Dauphiné, because had he in fact been some 2.5-3kg lighter here, he would have been close to the win, even with his current form.

Well Logic, where do you get that medical background from?
When recovering from different fractures and surgery one never goes on a (strong) diet. Just the opposite. Of course one has to be carefull with fat and carbohydrates. But follow a normal healthy diet after fractures and surgery will naturally lead too weight gain. And the more Evenepoel with his bodybuilt. After his Lombardia-crash, the revalidation, the first riding, the proper training, he and his team had the silly idea of participating the Giro 21. Even without prior competition. Using "your system" of forced diet. We all know the result.
So, the problem of Evenepoel today is not a wrong diet. But the problem was and is a severe crash with two fractures. He will suffer the consequences during the Tour and perhaps the rest of the season. Meanwhile he is doing a good job. So that he will probably be able to start the Tour at 99%. Maybe show some nice things during the final week.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Remco is a great rider, and he obviously works very hard in training, given how he improved his weaknesses since 2019

If is so hard to drop weight to compete for a gt , he doesn't need to go down that path. He has a unique build and can be a legendary rider even if he is not a tour de France contender.

 

[Volderke]

In the newspaper the team doctor says he needs to drop only 1kg for his optimal GT weight , around 62,5kg.
“We don’t want him to be too light because that happened before and that’s really bad.”

Exactly what I said a bit earlier in this topic, and even though I mentioned before I get my Remco info from very reliable sources, some won't listen and know better.

 

[Extinction]

It wasn't wright, was it?

No idea, but let's be honest: t, and Remco at climbing weight = 95% power for the TT. So it will never work out perfectly. He can only get a good result by being resilient, and I saw him working on that.

To the bolded, how do you known? We haven't seen what Remco can do in the skeletor version. I bet if he went to Ineos we'd get that.

 

[Froome]

Exactly. That's why I think Evenepoel could win another GT and even the Tour. If all goes well. But I also think that the younger Thomas in his best years wouldn't be able to beat Vingegaard or Pogacar in the Tour. That's why for Evenepoel, even more talented, it would be difficult to beat those two monsters of GT's. But not impossible.

Nevertheless like i said, sometimes is about being at the right place, at the right time. He doesn't need necessarily to beat Vingegaard and Pogacar to win the Tour one day. Nibali didn't needed to beat Froome and Contador to win the Tour.

 

[danielovichdk2]

Let's park the fat-shaming. Remco is on track for his recovery. That's great!

I truly hope he stirs a lot of trouble in the tour, he is just the rider to do so.

 

[Berflamand]

Exactly what I said a bit earlier in this topic, and even though I mentioned before I get my Remco info from very reliable sources, some won't listen and know better.

But why do they think it's bad to go below 62,5kg when he was 61kg in 2022 and bossed everything from CSS to Vuelta to Worlds?

Or am I misremembering it and was he actually a bit heavier than 61kg at that time?

 

[Berniece]

Exactly what I said a bit earlier in this topic, and even though I mentioned before I get my Remco info from very reliable sources, some won't listen and know better.

But why are they saying weighing less is an issue, if he was actually weighing less in Vuelta '22?