Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Extinction]

Pog put 2+ minutes into Pidcock and other guys at Amstel (except Healy). He's a monster of attrition races, especially in this weather. I think it would've ended up in a sprint with the Slovenian winning. Then again, such speculations don't make much sense. Remco was the best and crashes are part of cycling.

Healy at 38 secs, Pidcock blew up, it's not the same. Pidcock held on to the initial accelleration today, but then dropped with Evenepoel riding almost in spite of himself. Pidcock managed himself better, but second place was further away in respect to Amstel.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Healy at 38 secs, Pidcock blew up, it's not the same. Pidcock held on to the initial accelleration today, but then dropped with Evenepoel riding almost in spite of himself. Pidcock managed himself better, but second place was further away in respect to Amstel.

The gap to second smaller the gap to 3rd, 4th etc considerably bigger. Similar performances, it seems. And Pog is clearly faster. Then again, maybe Pog would be weakening already (after this long spring) so obviously no guarantee he would be up there at the end at all. We only know what we saw i.e. Evenepoel being the best today.

 

[Riek s]

Remco took a minute in less than 10km on pidcock/healy and the others... (not 30seconds after 30km and with a car as help. But then again situations were different and parcour is different so hard to compare)

The only reason pidcock lost 2 minutes because he was blown and alone. While now he was blown but with a lot of support. (and also because there was pressure to keep riding. Remco had no pressure to ride anymore).

 

[Extinction]

The gap to second smaller the gap to 3rd, 4th etc considerably bigger. Similar performances, it seems. And Pog is clearly faster. Then again, maybe Pog would be weakening already (after this long spring) so obviously no guarantee he would be up there at the end at all. We only know what we saw i.e. Evenepoel being the best today.

I go on the gap between first and second, with Evenepoel slowing down to celebrate. The only one who could have kept up was Pog.

 

[Netserk]

Why? He did the same as last year. So basically exactly what everyone expected after Pogacar was out.

Unlike last year, the strongest riders behind him went all-out on Redoute and the following section.

 

[Berniece]

With what attack?

How do you mean?

 

[CyclistAbi]

Congratulations on winning Liège-Bastogne-Liège.

 

[Jan the Man]

Chapeau another excellent victory- phenomenal engine, and another win at LBL which by the end of his career i suspect will be many many more.

Naturally people disappointed we didn’t get the duel but much like Pog last week you can only beat whose in the race with you, and he did so comprehensively.

Already looks in imperious form for the Giro. Grand Tours are funny things and you need some luck with avoiding crashes. But assuming he does already difficult to see him being beaten unless Roglic is on fire.

 

[Panda Claws]

Evenepoel keeping it really really close in the 'most Big Wins at a certain age' race.

He is 23 years 2 months and 29 days old today and just notched his 4th big win (LBL 2022, Vuelta 2022, WCRR 2022, LBL 2023).

At that age Pogacar had just won Lombardia 2021 as his 4th big win (TDF 2020, LBL 2021, TDF 2021, Lombardia 2021)
At that age Merckx sat at 5 big wins (MSR 1966, MSR 1967, WCRR 1967, PR 1968, Giro 1968).

We know that Pogacar (currently 6) has so far not been able to keep pace with Merckx (9 at Pogacar's current age) since. Question is whether Evenepoel will.

It goes without saying that nobody else is really in this discussion.

 

[Berniece]

Evenepoel keeping it really really close in the 'most Big Wins at a certain age' race.

He is 23 years 2 months and 29 days old today and just notched his 4th big win (LBL 2022, Vuelta 2022, WCRR 2022, LBL 2023).

At that age Pogacar had just won Lombardia 2021 as his 4th big win (TDF 2020, LBL 2021, TDF 2021, Lombardia 2021)
At that age Merckx sat at 5 big wins (MSR 1966, MSR 1967, WCRR 1967, PR 1968, Giro 1968).

We know that Pogacar (currently 6) has so far not been able to keep pace with Merckx (9 at Pogacar's current age) since. Question is whether Evenepoel will.

It goes without saying that nobody else is really in this discussion.

By the end of the season I expect him to added at least 2 more. Max 4 more if he wins Giro, WC, WC TT and Lombardia, but I can’t see that happening

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Congratulations on winning Liège-Bastogne-Liège.

Thank you!

 

[Panda Claws]

By the end of the season I expect him to added at least 2 more. Max 4 more if he wins Giro, WC, WC TT and Lombardia, but I can’t see that happening

Would be amazing! Wouldn't count WC TT though.

 

[Valanga]

Evenepoel keeping it really really close in the 'most Big Wins at a certain age' race.

He is 23 years 2 months and 29 days old today and just notched his 4th big win (LBL 2022, Vuelta 2022, WCRR 2022, LBL 2023).

At that age Pogacar had just won Lombardia 2021 as his 4th big win (TDF 2020, LBL 2021, TDF 2021, Lombardia 2021)
At that age Merckx sat at 5 big wins (MSR 1966, MSR 1967, WCRR 1967, PR 1968, Giro 1968).

We know that Pogacar (currently 6) has so far not been able to keep pace with Merckx (9 at Pogacar's current age) since. Question is whether Evenepoel will.

It goes without saying that nobody else is really in this discussion.

Not all big wins are equally big of course, but nice stat nonetheless!

 

[Valanga]

The gap to second smaller the gap to 3rd, 4th etc considerably bigger. Similar performances, it seems. And Pog is clearly faster. Then again, maybe Pog would be weakening already (after this long spring) so obviously no guarantee he would be up there at the end at all. We only know what we saw i.e. Evenepoel being the best today.

Is this one of those posts to compensate for the exaggerating Remco fans?
Because you can't honestly suggest Pog's Amstel was as impressive as Remco's Liège, right? ;⁠-⁠)

I mean come on, he was soft pedaling with 5km's to go, in Liège, and still won with over a minute.

 

[Peyroteo94]

Is this one of those posts to compensate for the exaggerating Remco fans?
Because you can't honestly suggest Pog's Amstel was as impressive as Remco's Liège, right? ;⁠-⁠)

I mean come on, he was soft pedaling with 5km's to go, in Liège, and still won with over a minute.

Liege is way tougher than Amstel. It is a race for climbers in my opinion, so is tailormade for riders like Remco or Tadej

 

[Elos Anjos]

Evenepoel keeping it really really close in the 'most Big Wins at a certain age' race.

He is 23 years 2 months and 29 days old today and just notched his 4th big win (LBL 2022, Vuelta 2022, WCRR 2022, LBL 2023).

At that age Pogacar had just won Lombardia 2021 as his 4th big win (TDF 2020, LBL 2021, TDF 2021, Lombardia 2021)
At that age Merckx sat at 5 big wins (MSR 1966, MSR 1967, WCRR 1967, PR 1968, Giro 1968).

We know that Pogacar (currently 6) has so far not been able to keep pace with Merckx (9 at Pogacar's current age) since. Question is whether Evenepoel will.

It goes without saying that nobody else is really in this discussion.

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

 

[johnymax]

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

It's pretty standard to refer as big wins to Grand tours + monuments + WCRR + OGRR

 

[Extinction]

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

Keep wallowing in your own sorrow. The point is you don't win monuments, a GT and Worlds by 22-23, without being worthy of the comparison.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Just nobody has a shot vs Remco (or Tadej) on such a day. Just a level above. Can't wait until we finally see a proper Tadej vs Remco. Today would've been ideal, but bad luck stood in our way

 

[Netserk]

Some say that he needs to slim down to compete in GTs, the Giro will be a good test of that.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

The comparisons go flat anyway as Remco almost lost a year with his fall in Lombardia. Instead of growing, he first had to come back at his previous level before improving. People forget the impact that that has.

 

[Panda Claws]

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

Who pissed in your cornflakes?

 

[Elos Anjos]

Keep wallowing in your own sorrow. The point is you don't win monuments, a GT and Worlds by 22-23, without being worthy of the comparison.

Ad hominem fallacy.
My feelings - which you don't have access to - have no bearing in what I wrote. And even if they did, it doesn't make it go away.
Any criteria for judging a performance amongst a social group amounts for comparison. I pointed out the flaws in such criteria.
Try again and I might reply to you.

 

[Extinction]

Ad hominem fallacy.
My feelings - which you don't have access to - have no bearing in what I wrote. And even if they did, it doesn't make it go away.
Any criteria for judging a performance amongst a social group amounts for comparison. I pointed out the flaws in such criteria.
Try again and I might reply to you.

No the fallacy is your circular argument: I'm objective and nobody else is, so objectively I am right. I could not care less if you reply to me, however, I'd remind you that some here actually have much experience and thus have an idea of performances. Feelings or not, what you wrote is crap, because clearly we are dealing with out of the ordinary talents. Cheers

 

[Riek s]

Are you joking? You're cherrypicking something and calling it a "Big Win" as a criteria for assessing riders despite such races being much more prone to being won due to vacant or depleted fields.

Pogacar was 3rds in Vuelta against Valverde, Quintana and Roglic.
He won many one day races and specially stage races against top contenders. And one of the most glorious wins will always be the recent RVV.

Such comparison seems to put them much closer than they in fact are.

It was based on age. Pog is 24,5 this year not 23,1. and by comparing age you already give remco a disadvantage due to covid and crash.
It doesn't state anything about who is the most accomplished rider at this point in time. (because there is no doubt about that).