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Or to Bora? Or wait to build a GT team with QS, although that would delay Remco. But anyway he's signed until 2026.Remco to Arkea to replace Quintana?
I don't think there are many Evenepoel fans who act like Roglic is close to a puffed up domestique. And i think if you want to go by that hyperbole, the same can be said of some Roglic fans.I don’t disagree with us. I don't think you’ll find a Roglic fan who doesn’t think Remco is an attacking rider, or even that Remco doesn’t have a history of more frequent long range attacks. To me that seems obvious truth. I also think Roglic was way off on the Fred Wright thing.
But Roglic has many, many wins, and he has attacked with panache many times. He has also smartly (and IMO misguidedly) ridden defensively at times and been rewarded (and punished) as a result. But at times Remco fans come across as thinking that Remco is god tier and Roglic a close to a puffed up domestique, fair or not.
The next few weeks will be crucial. If there is indeed no tour or vuelta for Remco in 2023, there are forces at work that are not alligned with his goals and his GT potential. I fear we will see more excuses in the future. SQS is a classics team by nature and Remco seems to be an exceptional fit for a broad range of them. I hope he can still steer SQS in the right direction or conclude and look for a team that supports him properly.
That is why Remco started slow in the pro peleton and was not riding a lot of WT stage races. (one of the reasons he is lacking wins in them).Maybe it's because he's 23 years old & Lefevere doesn't want to scorch him aka see him suffer a burnout.
I mean notwithstanding anything going on behind the scenes & stuff we don't know about, the most simple explanation can also be... the correct one?
It just seems like because there's a few child prodigies running amok at the top of pro cycling in recent years (namely one called Pogacar) everyone expects Evenepoel to deliver the same consistent GT success at the same age. I read a recent interview of Koen Bouwman who noted how riders at a high level at the age of 18 (he cited Evenepoel & Pogacar) won't have careers which last until they're 38 years old. He said he was glad he was able to build his own career up quietly by comparison.
It's just food for thought.
Yes, that must be one of the reasons he lacks wins in them.That is why Remco started slow in the pro peleton and was not riding a lot of WT stage races. (one of the reasons he is lacking wins in them).
Whereas Pog and Ayuso were doing the Vuelta in there first year?
Maybe it's because he's 23 years old & Lefevere doesn't want to scorch him aka see him suffer a burnout.
I mean notwithstanding anything going on behind the scenes & stuff we don't know about, the most simple explanation can also be... the correct one?
It just seems like because there's a few child prodigies running amok at the top of pro cycling in recent years (namely one called Pogacar) everyone expects Evenepoel to deliver the same consistent GT success at the same age. I read a recent interview of Koen Bouwman who noted how riders at a high level at the age of 18 (he cited Evenepoel & Pogacar) won't have careers which last until they're 38 years old. He said he was glad he was able to build his own career up quietly by comparison.
It's just food for thought.
Indeed. He doesn't race too much. Also, it's his 4th year as a pro. He has shown the physical and mental fortitude that is needed to have a program that includes the tour or a 2nd GT if he can't finish the first one. He does need good coaching and support to give him the least physical and mental strain. Maybe that's the real issue with SQS.I really think that this argument that Pogačar or Remco are not going to have long careers just because they turned pros at a young age is just a coping mechanism that some riders find to give them some hope for their future. Most riders don't race until they are 38 anyway and if we look at Pogačar's calendar last seasons he has been racing around 55-60 days which is far from extreme and the only difference last year for your average GC rider is he raced two cobbled classics and MSR instead of Itzulia and he only turned pro at 20 anyway.
Remco started at 19 but he had to make a break due to his Lombardia crash and even last year ehen he raced 67 days some of those were in shorter stages at a lower level. This is why I think he should race another Grand Tour this season because without it, he will probably not even reach 50 race days this season.
If there was a strong correlation between racing days and longevity, I don't think Valverde would have been able to reach 42 while still winning races and doing 80 race days almost every year.
Took him longer to start winning WT stage races and GTs than to win one day races and Belgium style stage races. Racing smaller races made sense when he didn't win the big ones. Now it doesn't make sense anymore.Yes, that must be one of the reasons he lacks wins in them.
The thing that matters for the future... is his climbing, I believe. It has always been the main thing that he needs to improve on to win the biggest races.Took him longer to start winning WT stage races and GTs than to win one day races and Belgium style stage races. Racing smaller races made sense when he didn't win the big ones. Now it doesn't make sense anymore.
I guess we're supposed to assume the least dumb option right now, which is that Lefevere is just being Lefevere and talking ***. Maybe they will pretend to decide to do Vuelta last minute to somewhat sandbag and pretend he shouldn't be the favorite or whatever after hitting the WC.
Could just be the scheduling will be fairly logical from here but that the media game around it will just be insane.
He did 13 of them (including GT's), that's not a small number.That is why Remco started slow in the pro peleton and was not riding a lot of WT stage races. (one of the reasons he is lacking wins in them).
Whereas Pog and Ayuso were doing the Vuelta in there first year?
over 5 years.He did 13 of them (including GT's), that's not a small number.
Pogacar did 15 over 5 years, not a big difference.over 5 years.
His first year:
-UAE Tour
-Tour of Turkey
-Tour of Romandië
(2nd year -- Covid - tour of pologne - crash)
For example 1st year of:
Ayuso:
- Catalunya
- Tour de Romandie
- Criterium Dauphine
- Vuelta (GT)
Pogacar:
- down under
-Itzulia
-Amgent tour of CAli
-Vuelta (GT)
and? what does the wins of Pog have to do with Remco?Pogacar did 15 over 5 years, not a big difference.
Big difference in wins though...
Just like Roglic fans shifting the blame elsewhere with crashes, teams conspiring against him, or riders crashing into him?Yawn. So tiring to argue with the likes of you. You're are of your depth. Or you can't read a simple statement.
The myth is the gap between what Evenepoel actually delivers and what his fans expect. If he fails to deliver - namely, a GT this year - the logic proper to a cult-like fan base is to enhance and enlarge a large spectra of "what if" Remco was still in the Giro or "what if" Remco goes to the Tour or "what if" Remco goes to the Vuelta followed by his more than "obvious" wins.
It's just a *** coping mechanism for someone who is griefing. Like you.
So you think @Logic-is-your-friend and @CyclistAbi are equivalent?Both fans have been the same side of the coin, they just ignore it.
In some ways, in others not even close.So you think @Logic-is-your-friend and @CyclistAbi are equivalent?
You said Remco started slow in terms of WT stage races, hence why he is lacking wins in them.and? what does the wins of Pog have to do with Remco?
the talk was about the carreer of the youngsters. And I pointed out that Remco started slow in terms of world tour races.
As an example I gave other youngsters who were doing Vuelta from the get go.
What has Pog results got anything to do with this?
You said Remco started slow in terms of WT stage races, hence why he is lacking wins in them.
I pointed out that the number of that races is not much different to Pogacar, who by the way is not lacking wins in them.
So your reason for Remco's lack of wins in that kind of races is not valid enough.
Is it clear now?
Riek s said:That is why Remco started slow in the pro peleton and was not riding a lot of WT stage races. (one of the reasons he is lacking wins in them).
Whereas Pog and Ayuso were doing the Vuelta in there first year?
(one of the reasons he is lacking wins in them).
(one of
Just like Roglic fans shifting the blame elsewhere with crashes, teams conspiring against him, or riders crashing into him?
All we heard from Roglic fans at the Vuelta last year was too many crashes and Wright purposely took Roglic out. While they accused Evenepoel of faking a flat tire or having Covid (not all fans here or stated seriously but elsewhere) and praise the time gained after Evenepoel crashes. Both fans have been the same side of the coin, they just ignore it.
So you think @Logic-is-your-friend and @CyclistAbi are equivalent?
For “Roglic” / “Remco” fans, insert [the most extreme, emotionally guided]. I think most were embarrassed by the FW situation but fairly argued that he had had a terrible build up to the Vuelta , fractured vertebrae, 47th dislocated shoulder, weeks of the bike, and that isn’t valid, but for some reason Remco can’t recover from Covid and ride another GT? Also, it’s somewhat a shame that this forum is so divided, Roglic or Remco, I prefer Roglic but quite like Remco.In some ways, in others not even close.
For “Roglic” / “Remco” fans, insert [the most extreme, emotionally guided]. I think most were embarrassed by the FW situation but fairly argued that he had had a terrible build up to the Vuelta , fractured vertebrae, 47th dislocated shoulder, weeks of the bike, and that isn’t valid, but for some reason Remco can’t recover from Covid and ride another GT? Also, it’s somewhat a shame that this forum is so divided, Roglic or Remco, I prefer Roglic but quite like Remco.
Evenepoel/PL are just waiting for Tour of California to come back so he can make it the official 4th Grand Tour.but for some reason Remco can’t recover from Covid and ride another GT?
It's like you haven't been reading this topic and just make assumptions to fit your narrative. Basically everyone here is saying Evenepoel should ride another GT.For “Roglic” / “Remco” fans, insert [the most extreme, emotionally guided]. I think most were embarrassed by the FW situation but fairly argued that he had had a terrible build up to the Vuelta , fractured vertebrae, 47th dislocated shoulder, weeks of the bike, and that isn’t valid, but for some reason Remco can’t recover from Covid and ride another GT? Also, it’s somewhat a shame that this forum is so divided, Roglic or Remco, I prefer Roglic but quite like Remco.