Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Blanco]

It's the end of an extremely long season, I don't expect Pogacar and Evenepoel ride at 100% like they did Tour of Flanders and Liege for example. Definitely great chance for Roglic to win it.

Pogacar had only 47 race days, Remco 65 and Roglic 62.
I'm missing your point a bit...

 

[Berniece]

Pogacar had only 47 race days, Remco 65 and Roglic 62.
I'm missing your point a bit...

Of those 3 Pogacar might not have raced as much, but the length of his peak seemed much higher. He was great from Paris-Nice until Liege, and then again for the TDF. While first real peak for Remco was at Liege, and Roglic at the Giro. Remco then had another peak for WC/San Sebastian to the Vuelta, while Roglic "only" focused on Vuelta to get in shape again.

I think Roglic is the freshest of those 3, and Pogacar the least.

 

[bNator]

Of those 3 Pogacar might not have raced as much, but the length of his peak seemed much higher. He was great from Paris-Nice until Liege, and then again for the TDF. While first real peak for Remco was at Liege, and Roglic at the Giro. Remco then had another peak for WC/San Sebastian to the Vuelta, while Roglic "only" focused on Vuelta to get in shape again.

I think Roglic is the freshest of those 3, and Pogacar the least.

That may be true but not neccessarily because of race days or how it was raced. Pogacar should in theory be fresher than Remco and Roglic because not only has he had less race days but because of lack of Vuelta. He had a hard Tour and hard WCC but that's some 50 days ago now. Remco and Rog should be at similar freshness level. Peak performance is another matter. Here, I more or less agree with you - Rogla is having a late-season peak, possibly due to supposedly taking it easy (while still winning everything) at the beginning of the season.

 

[Berflamand]

250km at 40,6 km/h average. Even when obviously motorpaced that looks like an impressive training ride.

Let's hope he'll still be fresh enough to take the fight to Pog and Rog on saturday.

 

[Extinction]

I disagree. Maybe purely performance-wise there isn't that much of a difference, but Ineos have dropped the ball tactically in the last couple of years. That is, they know only one tactic, riding in the Sky train. But if you don't have the strongest rider, that's not going to work. Look at what they did in the Giro, by far the strongest team in the race, but how did they use that team? In the oldfashioned Sky way, that's how.

I don't see how you are really disagreeing with me. I said they don't have the strongest rider to get the job done and you said pretty much the same thing. Jumbo has also been known to make tactical mistakes, but their depth of strength has made them overcome them. Like when they had Vingegaard attack Pogacar on the Tourmalet at the Tour, but when Tadej didn't drop, they still had Vingegaard on the front going full stream ahead on the finishing climb, only to see the Slovenian attack and drop the Dane for the win. That was tactically stupid, but Vingegaard was strong enough to crush Pogacar in the end. On the other hand, Ineos played it brilliantly when Tao won the Giro, after Thomas crashed out. So I don't think tactical nous is Ineos's problem, but again not having the best rider to work with. If Evenepoel goes there and has the numbers, the Sky-train version 2.0 will be back.

 

[Extinction]

That may be true but not neccessarily because of race days or how it was raced. Pogacar should in theory be fresher than Remco and Roglic because not only has he had less race days but because of lack of Vuelta. He had a hard Tour and hard WCC but that's some 50 days ago now. Remco and Rog should be at similar freshness level. Peak performance is another matter. Here, I more or less agree with you - Rogla is having a late-season peak, possibly due to supposedly taking it easy (while still winning everything) at the beginning of the season.

To the bolded, if Roglic is flying fine now, it has nothing to do with the early season. Rather it's because he got back into top shape for the Vuelta and came out of the GT with good reserves, because circumstances had him in a late domestique role, where he didn't have to dig deep to overcome a time deficit.

 

[red_flanders]

250km at 40,6 km/h average. Even when obviously motorpaced that looks like an impressive training ride.

Let's hope he'll still be fresh enough to take the fight to Pog and Rog on saturday.

It’s impressive!

Plenty of time to recover from that, if he’s not at peak form it won’t be due to training rides this past week.

 

[DNP-Old]

Wout van Aert has indicated to the sporting management of Jumbo-Visma that he would welcome the arrival of Yves Lampaert to the team. Several sources have confirmed this to WielerFlits. It now looks like six riders will make the switch from Soudal Quick-Step to the new 'merger team' of Richard Plugge. The Dutch camp is also counting on Remco Evenepoel to make the switch with a number of riders around him.

Something I, quite frankly, trust more than l'Equipe.

 

[Berniece]

Wout van Aert has indicated to the sporting management of Jumbo-Visma that he would welcome the arrival of Yves Lampaert to the team. Several sources have confirmed this to WielerFlits. It now looks like six riders will make the switch from Soudal Quick-Step to the new 'merger team' of Richard Plugge. The Dutch camp is also counting on Remco Evenepoel to make the switch with a number of riders around him.

Something I, quite frankly, trust more than l'Equipe.

Hmm six riders.

Remco
Lampaert
Cattaneo
Vervaeke
Van Wilder?

Who else?

 

[DNP-Old]

Hmm six riders.

Remco
Lampaert
Cattaneo
Vervaeke
Van Wilder?

Who else?

Apart from Remco and apparently Lampaert, I would imagine Serry being in there. Seems like a logical replacement to Van Hooydonck and he is close to Remco as one of his confidants. Assuming they can just pick whoever, I would also think Asgreen is a shoe-in.

 

[Samamba]

Seems like a logical replacement to Van Hooydonck

I don't really see what Serry has to do wit Van Hooydonck?
And with all due respect to Serry, he's imo not at all good enough for a "superteam".

 

[DNP-Old]

I don't really see what Serry has to do wit Van Hooydonck?
And with all due respect to Serry, he's imo not at all good enough for a "superteam".

Doesn't matter. If Remco wants it, Serry is on that team.

 

[Berniece]

Doesn't matter. If Remco wants it, Serry is on that team.

I would also be surprised with Serry. Asgreen makes more sense, or honestly if you really want to go for it all with 30 riders, get Merlier too.

 

[Samamba]

Doesn't matter. If Remco wants it, Serry is on that team.

Ofcourse, but complaining about your team not being strong enough to just take the riders you already had at QS with you when you go to a better team seems odd to me. Cattaneo sure, Van Wilder too ofcourse if he wants, but the rest isn't special. I would say Vervaeke has some decent days, but Serry... He's just a decent almost 35y old riders. That being said, he might be one of the guys that would actually have a problem getting a contract given his age and yes I also don't think Remco would let that happen.

 

[stekelegel]

Serry will go with Alaphilippe, they have always been close. I think he would take some other riders to? Maybe with cavangna to? Any others?

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

I'd say Remco, Van Wilder, Cattaneo & Landa. Then Lampaert as it's reported and then the last either Vervaeke or Asgreen (if Asgreen wants it).

 

[Berniece]

I'd say Remco, Van Wilder, Cattaneo & Landa. Then Lampaert as it's reported and then the last either Vervaeke or Asgreen (if Asgreen wants it).

According to Marca, Landa was told to find a different team

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

Sad.

 

[bNator]

According to Marca, Landa was told to find a different team

Do we know if these riders that were laid off get their compensation - do they get the remaining contract sums paid?

 

[Berniece]

Do we know if these riders that were laid off get their compensation - do they get the remaining contract sums paid?

We don't know that yet. The deal is still not finished, and SQS is going on team building with everyone next week, so at the moment no merger, no staff/riders dropped. Obviously chances are still very high this will happen, but we don't know the exact way this will unfold and what this means to the riders and staff of SQS.

 

[yaco]

I doubt very much that Remco will go to the merged team - He'll have better and more suitable offers on the table.

 

[Lequack]

How much is Ineos offering him?

 

[Krzysztof_O]

I doubt very much that Remco will go to the merged team - He'll have better and more suitable offers on the table.

JV won't let Remco go just like that. Plugge wants to have him in the team: I think he and Skeletor are their priorities for the future (Primoz wasn't so they let him go but they won't do it with another superstar).

 

[dennisdy]

Remco and Tadej are the best one-day day racers. If Remco signs with JV, he could continue this and probably be the best one-day rider. But if he wants to win stage races and grand tours, he should sign with Ineos. He only won one stage race this season (UAE Tour) and no grand tours. Jonas won all but one of his stage races (not counting the Vuelta). He would always have precedence over Remco, especially in the TDF. Any talk of "co-leaders" is garbage.

 

[Extinction]

Remco and Tadej are the best one-day day racers. If Remco signs with JV, he could continue this and probably be the best one-day rider. But if he wants to win stage races and grand tours, he should sign with Ineos. He only won one stage race this season (UAE Tour) and no grand tours. Jonas won all but one of his stage races (not counting the Vuelta). He would always have precedence over Remco, especially in the TDF. Any talk of "co-leaders" is garbage.

That will depend on the performance numbers, which all pro teams consider. If his power numbers are consistent with GT success, he will get his chance. I'm not saying they are, but if he has them, then he will gett his chance. It's mathematical models over hiearchy. Of course, the management of talent is the tricky thing, but on the performance track record Jumbo is top of the game evidently. It also depends on the course. If the Tour brings back long, relatively flat, TTs, Remco has an opportunity, if he doesn't colapse in the mountains.