Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Extinction]

He won the Tour twice and was runner up 2nd two times. What on Earth are you talking about?

Just what I wrote, he doesn't have the longue duree power to go the distance with the Dane. Nobody does right now, which is why it's absurd to rank Pog higher. Look, we all agree that the Tour, like it or not, is the biggest race in cycling and that you simply cannot say MVDP is the king of the sport or Wout or Remco right now. To do so would be idiotic. But you can about Vingegaard, with Pog a competative second. Let me tell you a story, Homer's allegory of the golden chain in the Iliad. Well the gods challenged Zeus, who in response dangled a golden chain from his hand and ordered all the deities to grab hold of it and try to pull him down from the sky. Despite thier collective strength, the gods could not budge Zeus. So the lord of Olympus, to show how much more powerful he was than them, said if I should tug just once on this chain, I would pull all of you up and sit you upon high heaven itself! This is the difference right now between Vingegaard and the rest, including Pogacar.

 

[Elos Anjos]

Just what I wrote, he doesn't have the longue duree power to go the distance with the Dane. Nobody does right now, which is why it's absurd to rank Pog higher. Look, we all agree that the Tour, like it or not, is the biggest race in cycling and that you simply cannot say MVDP is the king of the sport or Wout or Remco right now. To do so would be idiotic. But you can about Vingegaard, with Pog a competative second. Let me tell you a story, Homer's allegory of the golden chain in the Iliad. Well the gods challenged Zeus, who in response dangled a golden chain from his hand and ordered all the deities to grab hold of it and try to pull him down from the sky. Despite thier collective strength, the gods could not budge Zeus. So the lord of Olympus, to show how much more powerful he was than them, said if I should tug just once on this chain, I would pull all of you up and sit you upon high heaven itself! This is the difference right now between Vingegaard and the rest, including Pogacar.

So because you don't have an argument you resort to mythology?
He had, he won it in 2021.
A "big engine" accounts for one type of races: cycling is much more than that. If you want to state that classics don't count to how freak of a talent you are, you would have to exclude a part of the history of cycling. Good luck with that.
Ergo, while Pogacar might not have a bigger engine that Vingo GTwise, he is up there with the other freaks in classics and one day races.

For the record and since this is, after all, the Remco thread: I think Remco is up there in "big engine" class with Vingo, Pogi, Roglic, WVA, MDVP. But that simply does not (and I reckon it will not) translate into GT victories. Stating that GT is the measure of all talent is...lazy.

 

[Extinction]

So because you don't have an argument you resort to mythology?
He had, he won it in 2021.
A "big engine" accounts for one type of races: cycling is much more than that. If you want to state that classics don't count to how freak of a talent you are, you would have to exclude a part of the history of cycling. Good luck with that.
Ergo, while Pogacar might not have a bigger engine that Vingo GTwise, he is up there with the other freaks in classics and one day races.

For the record and since this is, after all, the Remco thread: I think Remco is up there in "big engine" class with Vingo, Pogi, Roglic, WVA, MDVP. But that simply does not (and I reckon it will not) translate into GT victories. Stating that GT is the measure of all talent is...lazy.

The Tour is not one type of race, but EVERY type of race sir. The mythology, in case you don't get allegory, sumarizes the point very well. When Pog is able to go the distance and reclaim the throne, then I shall re-evaluate, but until then he is second. As for Remco, he will need to climb consistently with them on the highest stage of the sport, to be taken into consideration. The GT is the ultimate test, and it's always been this way, lest Belgium would not be dying for finally another Tour in Remco.

 

[AmRacer]

The Tour is not one type of race, but EVERY type of race sir. The mythology, in case you don't get allegory, sumarizes the point very well. When Pog is able to go the distance and reclaim the throne, then I shall re-evaluate, but until then he is second. As for Remco, he will need to climb consistently with them on the highest stage of the sport, to be taken into consideration. The GT is the ultimate test, and it's always been this way, lest Belgium would not be dying for finally another Tour in Remco.

So the TdF champ should win Velo d'Or then.

 

[Extinction]

So the TdF champ should win Velo d'Or then.

Not always, which has nothing to do with the biggest prize in the sport. Remco won last year, but he could not have beaten Vingegaard in the Tour, the most prestigious event. Ergo Remco isn't the best cyclist in the world.

 

[houtdffan]

Is Chrono de Nations televised ANYWHERE?

Do not see it on gcn or flobikes

 

[AmRacer]

Not always, which has nothing to do with the biggest prize in the sport. Remco won last year, but he could not have beaten Vingegaard in the Tour, the most prestigious event. Ergo Remco isn't the best cyclist in the world.

So the TdF champ is the 'best' cyclist in the world, but not always wins Velo d'Or.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Is Chrono de Nations televised ANYWHERE?

Do not see it on gcn or flobikes

It has finished already, I think it was on YouTube or something

 

[RedheadDane]

Is Chrono de Nations televised ANYWHERE?

Do not see it on gcn or flobikes

There was a stream on YouTube. DNP-Old posted it in the Lesser Known Races thread.
Unfortunately for you, it's too late. Race is over.

 

[Extinction]

So the TdF champ is the 'best' cyclist in the world, but not always wins Velo d'Or.

Exactly, because the Velo d'Or winner isn't necessarily the strongest.

 

[Elos Anjos]

The Tour is not one type of race, but EVERY type of race sir. The mythology, in case you don't get allegory, sumarizes the point very well. When Pog is able to go the distance and reclaim the throne, then I shall re-evaluate, but until then he is second. As for Remco, he will need to climb consistently with them on the highest stage of the sport, to be taken into consideration. The GT is the ultimate test, and it's always been this way, lest Belgium would not be dying for finally another Tour in Remco.

How can it be the ultimate test if it's obvious how Vingo will never and can never win Paris-Roubaix, RVV ou Milano-San Remo? If you make that sort of heavy loaded statements, it's up to you to prove what you assert. Which you haven't been doing.

 

[Extinction]

How can it be the ultimate test if it's obvious how Vingo will never and can never win Paris-Roubaix, RVV ou Milano-San Remo? If you make that sort of heavy loaded statements, it's up to you to prove what you assert. Which you haven't been doing.

How can you even argue this? Monuments score less points than GTs and there is a reason for this. While the Tour scores the most points of them all, this too has it's reason. So, there, I've proved it.

PS. It's like you can win 50 flights, but if you get knocked out in the heavy weight championships, to quote Mike Tyson, then "you aint the best mother-fer! You know what I'm saying?"

 

[Elos Anjos]

How can you even argue this? Monuments score less points than GTs and there is a reason for this. While the Tour scores the most points of them all, this too has it's reason. So, there, I've proved it.

If there are monuments, stage races and one day classics it's because they address other sets of skills for which "having the bigger engine GT-wise" does not matter. Procycling captures various sets of skills that are distributed among an already small sample of the population. So of course the biggest freak is the one who excels in most race types.

 

[Elos Anjos]

This is non-consequential. Boxing has various weight categories, but only the heavy weight champion of the world is at the absolute top of the sport!

This is stupid.
An heavyweight champion of course knocks-out a lightweight. So of course an heavyweight supersedes other categories.
This is not the case in procycling.
Vingo in the RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix does not have a chance. In fact, his skinny and fragile frame would be brutalized by the big boys. That's what special about Pogacar. He beat them.

 

[Extinction]

This is stupid.
An heavyweight champion of course knocks-out a lightweight. So of course an heavyweight supersedes other categories.
This is not the case in procycling.
Vingo in the RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix does not have a chance. In fact, his skinny and fragile frame would be brutalized by the big boys. That's what special about Pogacar. He beat them.

No, this is stupid, because Pog is special about winning the middle weight titles, but when it comes to the heavy weight championship, he gets defeated since Vingegaard came into his own.

 

[Berniece]

This is stupid.
An heavyweight champion of course knocks-out a lightweight. So of course an heavyweight supersedes other categories.
This is not the case in procycling.
Vingo in the RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix does not have a chance. In fact, his skinny and fragile frame would be brutalized by the big boys. That's what special about Pogacar. He beat them.

In the Tour of Flanders, and barely. It’s not like Pogacar is winning Roubaix

 

[AmRacer]

This is stupid.
An heavyweight champion of course knocks-out a lightweight. So of course an heavyweight supersedes other categories.
This is not the case in procycling.
Vingo in the RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix does not have a chance. In fact, his skinny and fragile frame would be brutalized by the big boys. That's what special about Pogacar. He beat them.

In cycling, lightweight is better. Do keep up. 🤣

 

[proffate]

It's all in the engine dude, and Vingegaard presently has the biggest mother-fer engine size out there.

Cycling is a lot more fun to watch than long distance running precisely because it is not just about the engine.

Also to answer the question, Jay Vine, probably

 

[Extinction]

Cycling is a lot more fun to watch than long distance running precisely because it is not just about the engine.

Also to answer the question, Jay Vine, probably

Jay Vine? I'll be waiting to watch....crickets. And, it's true, cycling is not just about the engine, however, in a sport that prizes power and endurance, such physiological parameters inevitably become the ultimate measuring stick. What Vingegaard did in the third week TT at the Tour was a total massacre.

 

[SHAD0W93]

This is stupid.
An heavyweight champion of course knocks-out a lightweight. So of course an heavyweight supersedes other categories.
This is not the case in procycling.
Vingo in the RVV, Milano-San Remo or Paris-Roubaix does not have a chance. In fact, his skinny and fragile frame would be brutalized by the big boys. That's what special about Pogacar. He beat them.

Wait till you find out Pereiro has a bigger engine than MVDP.

 

[Extinction]

Wait till you find out Pereiro has a bigger engine than MVDP.

He does, unfortunately for MVDP, for whom gravity is lethal.

 

[Salvarani]

Ronde means nothing!

 

[Extinction]

Why the f is Remco wasting his time getting beaten in a TT this late in the season. Talk about stupid.

 

[Extinction]

Ronde means nothing!

Indeed, Pozzato almost won it!

 

[SHAD0W93]

He does, unfortunately for MVDP.

I remember our previous discussions in Pantani’s All Time Ranking from a couple seasons ago.