Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Volderke]

Remco in top shape can win any one day race as much as everyone else, bar the cobbled classics as he is pretty rubbish on cobbles for now. I'm sure a good Remco can be a match for a good Pogacar, and if you don't agree, at least admit we don't know for sure and have to wait and see (and hope both are fit and injury free).

I won't say he'll beat Pogacar / Vingegaard in top shape in 1-week stage races, but at least he should try and do what he does best: attack and create havoc where possible. The way he rode in the Vuelta after he was out of GC concention is the way he should tackle (at least once) a 1-week stage race against these 2 riders. This is not the way to win a 3-week GT, and it is probably also not the easiest way to try and win a 1-week GT, but at least he should try.

 

[Snake]

I don't know what your source is, but I could understand that decision, as it looks like now he won't be competing for win on Basque country..

He could however win a couple of Ardennes..

I remember Dan martin saying he could never properly combine riding for GC in Basque country with being in top form for the ardennes because of the fatigue. His best results on fleche and Liege came after doing Catalunya and then a training camp.

It would be too late to add Catalunya to the programme for remco, but maybe he could do a training camp after some time off and then do Ardennes + romandie

Italian article but looks like translation wasn't complete, I checked on sporza the interview after the race and he said basque and Ardenne are coming, so he will compete in spain

 

[proffate]

Funny result. On paper before the race a 2nd with a stage and some jerseys is very good. But given how Roglic was so weak, and the tactical disasterclass, remco should have won this race.

Unless something changes drastically he won't compete with Jonas in Basque country, Dauphine, tour, he won't compete with Pogacar on Liege or the classics guys in Paris. I don't see him win fleche wallonne. Looks like it will be hard to find big victories this year, maybe an amstel gold race and another worlds championships.

So this seems a big missed opportunity. Oh well, he is young rider , he can learn.

All the more puzzling that he thinks he's "dialed in" after this ... must be a translation error.

 

[DNP-Old]

Not really, really thread related, but the emergence of Remco has been the downfall of Jose De Cauwer. This man has become a walking advertisement for medicine against delusion.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

All the more puzzling that he thinks he's "dialed in" after this ... must be a translation error.

Who said that? He said after the race he is not in top form, he is working towards the summer, he won't do altitude yet (and hasn't gone yet either).

 

[AmRacer]

Actually looks like he won't be at basque and he will do some days in altitude

Who said that? He said after the race he is not in top form, he is working towards the summer, he won't do altitude yet (and hasn't gone yet either).

Or he will go now. Pog and Jonas win one week races without being in top form.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Or he will go now. Pog and Jonas win one week races without being in top form.

You seem to think altitude training is some marginal gain. Not being in top form with altitude training =/= not being in top form without altitude training.

 

[jmdirt]

Jorgenson has talent. He appeared to me to be a young rider on a slow rise. Able (at his best) to compete for some wins, but never really having a big win.

Comfortably winning this race and looking like he could have done a lot more is an entirely different level for him. IMO. He has never looked like a rider who could win big races, win easily, or win comfortably.

I don't see how one could claim Visma had/has nothing to do with this. He's a very different rider on this team, quite apparently.

The reason oldermanish can claim that is because MJ has been improving, as you said, slowly, but made some significant gains last year. Sure his new team is adding to his gains, but are they really that good that they made HUGE gains in a few months of off season coaching?

 

[jmdirt]

There are a lot of examples of riders who go to Visma and go up a few levels, look at Cristophe Laporte. Also, look the drop off of Roglic this year since leaving, looks like a different rider.

Too early in the season to make that assertion...

 

[theyoungest]

Not really, really thread related, but the emergence of Remco has been the downfall of Jose De Cauwer. This man has become a walking advertisement for medicine against delusion.

That and the presence of Primoz Roglic. Preferably both in the same race.

Of course we all know the real reason Remco didn't win Paris-Nice. You guessed it: Primoz Roglic.

Renaat en José zagen sterke Remco Evenepoel in Parijs-Nice: "Maar Roglic heeft de boel een beetje verpest" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel zelf blikte tevreden terug op zijn eerste rittenkoers op Franse bodem. Wat zijn de conclusies van ons commentaarduo Renaat Schotte en José De Cauwer na Parijs-Nice? "Het scheelde één tactische beslissing of hij had alle klassementen gewonnen", klinkt het, samen met een puntje van...

sporza.be

 

[Andre]

Oh they are way ahead alright.

I know what you mean...

 

[Red Rick]

De Cauwers commentary is too biased even for CN forum.

 

[Sciatic]

Jorgenson has talent. He appeared to me to be a young rider on a slow rise. Able (at his best) to compete for some wins, but never really having a big win.

Comfortably winning this race and looking like he could have done a lot more is an entirely different level for him. IMO. He has never looked like a rider who could win big races, win easily, or win comfortably.

I don't see how one could claim Visma had/has nothing to do with this. He's a very different rider on this team, quite apparently.

Good points; I think Jorgenson himself revealed how big this result was (and that it’s a level above anything he’d done previously) when he said in his interview that he couldn’t sleep last night because he could feel the pressure and [paraphrase] “I’ve never had that before—I wasn’t under pressure”

 

[theyoungest]

I thought Jorgenson was a very smart addition by Visma, but to be honest mainly as a classics guy and a helper in stage races. This performance in Paris-Nice is really above and beyond expectations. But I think he was also helped by the weather, it suits big guys. Yesterday you even saw guys like Affini and Politt being able to hang on in the front group for quite a long time. I think if you ride a race like this in 30 degree heat you get a totally different result.

 

[Andre]

No one will. Rogla will finish 2nd though.

Yes, second on his team maybe

 

[Sciatic]

All the more puzzling that he thinks he's "dialed in" after this ... must be a translation error.

And as was mentioned several times in the race thread about his victory celebration, he’s probably never used a rotary phone in his life so the “dialing” thing is unfamiliar

Ed. I know some people still use the term to “dial” a number—just having fun with it.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I thought Jorgenson was a very smart addition by Visma, but to be honest mainly as a classics guy and a helper in stage races. This performance in Paris-Nice is really above and beyond expectations. But I think he was also helped by the weather, it suits big guys. Yesterday you even saw guys like Affini and Politt being able to hang on in the front group for quite a long time. I think if you ride a race like this in 30 degree heat you get a totally different result.

If the SQS car has a joint IQ of over 100, Jorgenson also doesn't win this race.

 

[DNP-Old]

De Cauwers commentary is too biased even for CN forum.

What about Jonas Creteur?

 

[Andre]

All in all, I believe Remco rode strong for the level in which his current form stands. I also agree with Logic about the low IQ of those giving him advice in the car. It will be a slow but powerful buildup towards summer. It also looks like he has improved very nicely on his descending skills, plus his sprint is getting more and more ferocious.

 

[Berniece]

That and the presence of Primoz Roglic. Preferably both in the same race.

Of course we all know the real reason Remco didn't win Paris-Nice. You guessed it: Primoz Roglic.

Renaat en José zagen sterke Remco Evenepoel in Parijs-Nice: "Maar Roglic heeft de boel een beetje verpest" | sporza

Remco Evenepoel zelf blikte tevreden terug op zijn eerste rittenkoers op Franse bodem. Wat zijn de conclusies van ons commentaarduo Renaat Schotte en José De Cauwer na Parijs-Nice? "Het scheelde één tactische beslissing of hij had alle klassementen gewonnen", klinkt het, samen met een puntje van...

sporza.be

I think you are exaggerating, he’s just saying that Remco made the same mistake Nibali did in the Giro.

 

[houtdffan]

Guys like Hindley, A. Yates, S. Yates, Bernal, Roglic, Kuss, Gall... and a few more are probably better climbers in the high mountains as well.

wouldn't be saying Rog and Bernal as better climbers in the high mountains after PN if you are saying Remco has no chance based upon this race

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

wouldn't be saying Rog and Bernal as better climbers in the high mountains after PN if you are saying Remco has no chance based upon this race

For some people, Evenepoel simply can't win. Even if he wins, he can't win.

 

[proffate]

And as was mentioned several times in the race thread about his victory celebration, he’s probably never used a rotary phone in his life so the “dialing” thing is unfamiliar

Ed. I know some people still use the term to “dial” a number—just having fun with it.

That's not even where the phrase comes from anyway. What does a phone have to do with perfect attention to detail?

 

[Extinction]

I'm sorry but Remco is no way near Jonas Vingegaard or Tedej Pogocar's level. With all due respect to Jorgensen who is a very talented rider, Remco should be dropping him and should be cleaning this race up. It was almost like Remco was working for Jorgensen on the final climb.
Remco is a world class one day rider, but for the grand Tours he just isn't anywhere near the level of the 'big two'..

And Roglic?

 

[Sciatic]

That's not even where the phrase comes from anyway. What does a phone have to do with perfect attention to detail?

I was just playing with words—the kind of phone one traditional hung up (as mimed in his celebration had a rotary dial. Buy yeah, you’re right the dialed in specifically refers to a dial on equipment or weaponry to which one makes fine adjustments to get the setting just right for optimal performative.
Good thing you’re on the mixed-metaphor patrol lest folks get the wrong idea