Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

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It’s still in the first week and a flat ITT. What make you think that Pog and Jonas is better than the world champion?
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Pretty sure you could be in a coma and you couldnt lose 1.5kg of muscle in 3 weeks. Not from remcos baseline. Muscle in general is very hard to build and not quite as hard but still quite hard to lose
I am not an expert, but after searching for a bit, i have found most sources claim 2 to 3 weeks will see a significant reduction of muscle mass. Basically that's exactly the timeframe from Dauphiné to TDF. How much is significant, i don't know, but i would assume they don't mean 150gr as significant. I have in the past also read claims that being at altitude expedites the process.
 
Here is an interview with the nutritionist of the Soudal-Quickstep team of Evenepoel. Translated via Google translate. It confirms what I already wrote here several times.

“First and foremost: at Remco it doesn't take much to be able to quickly and adequately see the difference. Outwardly you notice it now and it seems like a major issue. But purely in terms of weight, that's not too bad. And in the end, the work that still had to be done wasn't so gigantic.”

“During the altitude training camp in Isola 2000, following the Dauphiné, we started eating very strictly, very 'clean'. I drew up nutritional plans, which the chef (ed.) started working on. Remco carefully considered exactly what he needed. We went a little more extreme than we normally do, while ensuring that he still recovered well and could certainly improve his condition. Because that was of course also very important. Especially in the last days before the Grand Départ, we worked meticulously, down to the smallest detail. With this as a result.”
Was everything really weighed in the figurative scales?

"Yes. We really started looking at what was possible in terms of carbohydrates and proteins. And where the limits were. Now, on that note: Remco knows himself and his body inside and out. At altitude, your energy consumption and carbohydrate combustion are slightly higher. This means that if you train even a little bit lower, you will get a much greater effect than if you were at sea level.”

Mentally he seems to be able to make that effort very well.

"Absolute. But that doesn't last all season, does it? We choose the periods. After his fall in the Tour of the Basque Country, for example, we let him 'free' for a while and first let him recover properly from his injuries. Then he just did his own thing. When he restarted, we evaluated what exactly needed to be done. And we started working towards the Tour with a clear plan, just as we did with the Giro last year.”
“Remco has a morphology that means that his weight can fluctuate more often, yes. And then, as he himself indicated, it is not only about fat percentage or moisture, but also about muscle mass. In winter he lets it go a bit, but never to a disturbing extent. You will never encounter situations like with certain other riders from the past with him.”

It remains a constant point of attention, he says. Also in winter.
What happens when the belt is tightened? Extremely little or meager food?

“You could assume: as few fats as possible. But they are crucial for immune function, cellular structure and things like that. We do keep them at a minimum. Just like the proteins. Just enough to be able to recover properly. And then we're going to play a little with carbohydrates. During tough stages and on difficult training days, a rider should eat well. Even then he will always be in an energy deficit. On quiet days this is less, but still a nice portion because they consume so little during such a period. We strive for a healthy balance.”

Are guilty pleasures completely excluded?

“Yes, but riders have no need for that in the daily 'flow' they are currently in. The evening before the first and second rest day, we sometimes ask what they really like - including dessert - and, as much as possible, we try to prepare something they can look forward to. Then it's okay."
could you please tell me what's the source for this ?
 
How much time can one gain there? It’s only 1.4km’s long.
Just saying it's not flat. Don't think it'll make any differences, since all the contenders in this TT can climb.

I did not write it was velodrome, but if you live in a completely flat country like Denmark I can understand that you call a small hill a mountain. But I don’t think that will be to Remcos disadvantage relative Pog and Vinge, maybe Cav will get in trouble.
Well I live in the US, and am sitting at 6250 feet (1900 meters) right now. This morning I mountain biked up to 8290 feet (2526 meters). I'll call that a mountain.

All I'm saying is that it's not a flat TT. People have been calling it a flat TT for days, so I thought I'd add some information to the discussion.
 
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I am not an expert, but after searching for a bit, i have found most sources claim 2 to 3 weeks will see a significant reduction of muscle mass. Basically that's exactly the timeframe from Dauphiné to TDF. How much is significant, i don't know, but i would assume they don't mean 150gr as significant. I have in the past also read claims that being at altitude expedites the process.

Signifant reduction after doing what? Coma? or training on your bike/beeing generally active in a somewhat high caloric deficit. I dont know whether 150g counts as significant, probably not, but change in body composition as far as muscle mass is concerned is alot slower than you seem to think.

As an example it seems established that the maximum amount of muscle gain in a day is roughly 35g and we are talking conditions where all factors are optimized for muscle growth. So caloric surplus, alot of sleep, anabolic steroids+hgh. I know im talking gain here, but as a rule of thumb things that your body builds slowly he will also let go slowly.

And with our young remco here, he wasnt in the position to optimize all living circumstances for maximum muscle loss, nor should he have been. Of couse he was in , what I assume, was a somewhat large caloric deficit to lose fat and (unless he did very hard weight lifting workouts which im sure he didnt do) he also lost some muscle in the process (mostly upper body id assume cause it would seem reasonable to skip most if not all work in that area if weight loss is the main goal), but again theres no way he lost a significant amount of muscle in 3 weeks (whatever significant means im quite confident it couldnt have been more than 500g and thats probably still a stretch)
 
Here is an interview with the nutritionist of the Soudal-Quickstep team of Evenepoel. Translated via Google translate. It confirms what I already wrote here several times.

“First and foremost: at Remco it doesn't take much to be able to quickly and adequately see the difference. Outwardly you notice it now and it seems like a major issue. But purely in terms of weight, that's not too bad. And in the end, the work that still had to be done wasn't so gigantic.”

“During the altitude training camp in Isola 2000, following the Dauphiné, we started eating very strictly, very 'clean'. I drew up nutritional plans, which the chef (ed.) started working on. Remco carefully considered exactly what he needed. We went a little more extreme than we normally do, while ensuring that he still recovered well and could certainly improve his condition. Because that was of course also very important. Especially in the last days before the Grand Départ, we worked meticulously, down to the smallest detail. With this as a result.”
Was everything really weighed in the figurative scales?

"Yes. We really started looking at what was possible in terms of carbohydrates and proteins. And where the limits were. Now, on that note: Remco knows himself and his body inside and out. At altitude, your energy consumption and carbohydrate combustion are slightly higher. This means that if you train even a little bit lower, you will get a much greater effect than if you were at sea level.”

Mentally he seems to be able to make that effort very well.

"Absolute. But that doesn't last all season, does it? We choose the periods. After his fall in the Tour of the Basque Country, for example, we let him 'free' for a while and first let him recover properly from his injuries. Then he just did his own thing. When he restarted, we evaluated what exactly needed to be done. And we started working towards the Tour with a clear plan, just as we did with the Giro last year.”
“Remco has a morphology that means that his weight can fluctuate more often, yes. And then, as he himself indicated, it is not only about fat percentage or moisture, but also about muscle mass. In winter he lets it go a bit, but never to a disturbing extent. You will never encounter situations like with certain other riders from the past with him.”

It remains a constant point of attention, he says. Also in winter.
What happens when the belt is tightened? Extremely little or meager food?

“You could assume: as few fats as possible. But they are crucial for immune function, cellular structure and things like that. We do keep them at a minimum. Just like the proteins. Just enough to be able to recover properly. And then we're going to play a little with carbohydrates. During tough stages and on difficult training days, a rider should eat well. Even then he will always be in an energy deficit. On quiet days this is less, but still a nice portion because they consume so little during such a period. We strive for a healthy balance.”

Are guilty pleasures completely excluded?

“Yes, but riders have no need for that in the daily 'flow' they are currently in. The evening before the first and second rest day, we sometimes ask what they really like - including dessert - and, as much as possible, we try to prepare something they can look forward to. Then it's okay."
See @Logic-is-your-friend no worries, Remco is not surrounded by amateurs. Quick step staff is really good. Patrick Lefevre can be a a **** sometimes, but he knows how what is doing, especially in surrounding his best rider when everything he needs.
 
Gouvenou changed the TDF int the featherweight fight due to his TT allergy
I agree about the TTs. I already said the Tour is missing a real flat ITT of 55/60 km, but a lot of mountain stages in this Tour are also garbage.

This Tour is missing a real hard mountain finish like Granon, La loze(i'm waiting for the side of La Tougnette in the Tour), Portet, or Alpe d'huez.

Some of the mountain finishes are garbage like Col de la Couillolle.
 
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