Teams & Riders The Remco Evenepoel is the next Eddy Merckx thread

[Berniece]

Yes, that's what he meant. But last year he casually swept the Olympics -Cunego style- after doing the Tour and before taking a rest en route to Britain. This year he quit the Tour a week early and has had more recovery time to get ready for end of season. The question remains whether his undercooked winter will still be a factor.

He was also sick after Olympics

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

He was also sick after Olympics

Cunego was also sick a lot. They are basically the same person.

 

[Charlyghoul]

Cunego was also sick a lot. They are basically the same person.

Cunego has the best win of the two, but Remco is stronger on the flat, to give him his due.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Cunego has the best win of the two, but Remco is stronger on the flat, to give him his due.

1 VaE, 9 GT stages (2x TdF, 2x GdI, 5x VaE), 2x LBL, WC > 1 GdI, 6 GT stages (4x GdI. 2x VaE), and 3x GdL

And that’s not counting everything else Evenenpoel has.

 

[Charlyghoul]

1 VaE, 9 GT stages (2x TdF, 2x GdI, 5x VaE), 2x LBL, WC > 1 GdI, 6 GT stages (4x GdI. 2x VaE), and 3x GdL

And that’s not counting everything else Evenenpoel has.

A better overall palmares for Remco sure. The giro I would say is the best single win of either.
The little goshawk was no cream puff when it came to riding a bike

 

[houtdffan]

A better overall palmares for Remco sure. The giro I would say is the best single win of either.
The little goshawk was no cream puff when it came to riding a bike

I'd say the combo of the Olympic double and the world TT last year is far better.

Had Remco not flapped his wings, sang BIRD! BIRD! BIRD! in the WRR, he'd be the current undisputed road cycling champion

 

[AmRacer]

I'd say the combo of the Olympic double and the world TT last year is far better.

Had Remco not flapped his wings, sang BIRD! BIRD! BIRD! in the WRR, he'd be the current undisputed road cycling champion

He flapped

 

[Charlyghoul]

I'd say the combo of the Olympic double and the world TT last year is far better.

Had Remco not flapped his wings, sang BIRD! BIRD! BIRD! in the WRR, he'd be the current undisputed road cycling champion

But that’s a combo of wins.
I could have an Angus burger and an Italian pizza, they’re both nice to have, but they’re not better than a premium, medium garlic steak and chips.
(The steak and chips is the giro)

 

[Berniece]

But that’s a combo of wins.
I could have an Angus burger and an Italian pizza, they’re both nice to have, but they’re not better than a premium, medium garlic steak and chips.
(The steak and chips is the giro)

It's the same event, and it has never been done before. It will probably not happen soon again.

 

[Charlyghoul]

It's the same event, and it has never been done before. It will probably not happen soon again.

It’s a separate race the time trial and road race, how can it be the same event ?

 

[houtdffan]

Cunego's giro also was not that impressive. He beat nobody of significance that race. The best rider he beat was his teammate who again flopped in the TDF

 

[Berniece]

It’s a separate race the time trial and road race, how can it be the same event ?

The Olympic Games are an event.

 

[Extinction]

It's the same event, and it has never been done before. It will probably not happen soon again.

But that’s a combo of wins.
I could have an Angus burger and an Italian pizza, they’re both nice to have, but they’re not better than a premium, medium garlic steak and chips.
(The steak and chips is the giro)

If this is your sense of food heirarchy, then I must beg to differ. 😅 At least roast lamb with olive oil, garlic and rosemary, preferably with potatoes roasted in the same oven, if not the same pan.😉

 

[Charlyghoul]

If this is your sense of food heirarchy, then I must beg to differ. 😅 At least roast lamb with olive oil, garlic and rosemary, preferably with potatoes roasted in the same oven, if not the same pan.😉

I’m not arguing that, but that’s the tour 😏

 

[Charlyghoul]

The Olympic Games are an event.

Not sure about this one, where did Remco finish in the 50m breaststroke ?

 

[Red Rick]

4 vs 2 stages+ GC

2 vs 1 former GT winner in top 10.

Definding champion in top 10 vs no defending champion in top 10.

Take 5 minutes in mountains on #2 vs losing time in mountains on #2.

 

[QueenStagiaire]

Not sure about this one, where did Remco finish in the 50m breaststroke ?

Events can only be events if they have the same participants every time? Festivals are events, yet you‘re not required to take part for their entirety. Or does the term ‚Event‘ only apply when Remco Evenepoel participates in all the competitions?

 

[Charlyghoul]

Events can only be events if they have the same participants every time? Festivals are events, yet you‘re not required to take part for their entirety. Or does the term ‚Event‘ only apply when Remco Evenepoel participates in all the competitions?

But the time trial and the road race are different races, how can you group them as one event or result?

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

Or does the term ‚Event‘ only apply when Remco Evenepoel participates in all the competitions?

Wouldn't that be something though. Dozens of gold medals.

 

[Valv.Piti]

Cunego's giro also was not that impressive. He beat nobody of significance that race. The best rider he beat was his teammate who again flopped in the TDF

He beat Simoni, the winner of 01 and 03 and the most consistent Giro performer in that era. Thats not nobody. BUT that route was probably the worst that I have ever seen, it was an atrocity. If it would be a more normal Giro route, who knows if he would have won.

But this is getting ridiculous. Of course Remco is miles better than Cunego.

 

[Ilmaestro99]

Cunego was a great rider man. I also have to say I like the belgien people a lot. Brussels much nicer than it's reputation.

I noticed remco was training at Livigno with his friend Fausto. He will be racing again soon.? Any chances he could help van welder for some results?

 

[Charlyghoul]

Cunegos giro win is not bad at all.
Simoni won the year before and came second the year after.
Garzelli was another giro winner in the top ten.
Honchar 8 time top ten in the giro.

Remco’s Vuelta win- only one gt winner in the top ten, Hindley in tenth. No serious challenger at all.

But it is Cunego’s win that’s weak?
I’ve heard that often about the little goshawk, his giro win was bs. Much better than Remco’s Vuelta…

Remco is the better rider overall, but he hasn’t shown he could beat a rider of Simoni’s calibre over 3 weeks

 

[peterfin]

Remco Evenepoel versus Damiano Cunego

Head to head career results between Remco Evenepoel and Damiano Cunego. The overal score is 47.6% for Remco Evenepoel versus 52.4% for Damiano Cunego. A comparison on same race results, time trial points and the points per age.

www.procyclingstats.com

Check the head-to-head. At 25 he already passed Cunego on basically all metrics. He is scoring way above Cunego's level at the same age. And of course he can beat a rider of Simoni's caliber too. He was 3rd at the TdF last year behind two riders that did the greatest climb performance of all-time and while he was 3 minutes behind the 2nd, he was 10 minutes in front of the 4th.

Maybe it's time to give Cunego his space and end the comparison. He would probably laugh if he reads it.

In the past we had a similar discussion here that dragged on for weeks. According to some Remco was the new ... whatever the name ... because according to them he was only good at winning minor 1-week races like that guy. For some it's just a way of making fun of him and his fans. Maybe that's the same purpose here? At some point that starts to become ridiculous. If it all was intended as a serious discussion: check the facts and move on. Remco is not the new Cunego.

 

[AlpRaid]

In the past we had a similar discussion here that dragged on for weeks. According to some Remco was the new ... whatever the name ... because according to them he was only good at winning minor 1-week races like that guy.

Ah the “Remco is the new Belgian Spilak.”

How I pine for those glorious days (when I was just a lurker).

🙄

 

[Extinction]

Cunegos giro win is not bad at all.
Simoni won the year before and came second the year after.
Garzelli was another giro winner in the top ten.
Honchar 8 time top ten in the giro.

Remco’s Vuelta win- only one gt winner in the top ten, Hindley in tenth. No serious challenger at all.

But it is Cunego’s win that’s weak?
I’ve heard that often about the little goshawk, his giro win was bs. Much better than Remco’s Vuelta…

Remco is the better rider overall, but he hasn’t shown he could beat a rider of Simoni’s calibre over 3 weeks

When Simoni and Cunego won their Giros, the overall level was significantly lower than today and the difference with the Tour even more marked. Simoni took over from Pantani's demise and Armstrong cared only for the Tour. In fact, also with the shift of the Vuelta to late summer, which made it ideal for Worlds prep, the Giro got reduced pretty much to a provincial Italian affair at the time. In this context (weak field) and a bizzarre team dynamic, Cunego got his Giro. He got 11th in the 2006 Tour (Landis year) and 6th in 2011 (won by Evans), so both not stellar editions.

That Remco couldn't beat Simoni in a gt is frankly laughable. Simoni never did anything at the Tour gc wise, whereas Remco got third in his first attempt behind the two best in the world (don't let this year cloud your judgment, as he clearly had problems, both physically and with the team). His Vuelta win had Roglic, perhaps the best Vuelta rider ever, until he crashed out. He'd give Simoni 3 minutes in a 30 km tt, 5+ in a 50 km one like those of the Tour during the Armstrong era. Climbing wise, Simoni on Saunier-Duval it's true was formidable, but that was the time of Riccò and Piepoli (with incidentally Gianetti as ds) and so stuff reserved for the Clinic discussions. With a year of the chips all falling in the right place, or at least one without major incident, Remco leaves Simoni behind in the mountains too, at least at the Tour.