The revenge of Rasmussen ...

[Franklin]

Yes, and with riders who (reportedly) were outsiders in the team. Over whom Breukink (perhaps intently) had little control, and displayed little interest. So where's the evil mastermind part?

Okay, you know, that makes so much sense that it blows away everything.

Erik Breukink completely ignored mencov and Rasmussen. I mean, as a goody two shoe DS, why would he even know the adress of his two best riders? It's incredibly obvious that the whole management really didn't care for these non-dutch outsiders.

The fact that the management team was so involved with Rasmussen's whereabouts is clearly just another example of the naivity of Breukink. When he was asked to be hush about Rasmussen's whereabouts he though it was because Michael was hiding from his mother in law.

It's just a huge missunderstanding. It's amazing that the judge ruled against Rabo on the grounds that the MT was participating in the fraud. Heck, even the Rabo internal report clearly is based on nonsense. Breukink really never got involved with these riders.

I'm not a Breukink fan, at all. But if his active involvement consisted of not doing anything, I'd call him lax. Not corrupt to the core.

Indeed, not reporting whereabouts of your rider is hardly fraudulent. As I said, it's standard procedure, Michael was clearly hiding from his mother in law. There is no way that Erik knew what was going on... Erik is just a silly old laughable goof.

It's simply a HUGE coincidence that the team started winning GT's after he got team manager. He hired Mencov and Rasmussen, but really they were outsiders and he wasn't involved with them... why would he?

And of course, being the boss means you are a little bit responsible, but Erik really is naive here. It's not that he rode for PDM, Once and Rabo when those teams were charging. He simply is a laughable goof.

But I must say pretty decent results as a goof. Won three times as many GT's as Director as Peter Post.

 

[Arnout]

No other sport offers the same characters as ours.

That's bull****. You will find cheats everywhere. Employees shirking, employers making decisions for personal gain, looking on your neighbors paper during an exam. Cycling is not some sort of out-of-this-world film set where things happen that do not happen in real life.

Did you never cheat in your life?

I can't say I didn't.

 

[Ferminal]

Menchov hasn't been able to find a stable program since he left Rabo.

 

[JRanton]

Yes it is. But this is a guy who has worked as a journalist for the last 10 years or more. Himself a doper, and lying about it for years... not only that, even adamantly criticizing other dopers. And bashing Rabobank for their lack of results in recent years.

This serves once again to indicate the extent of hypocrisy in cycling.

It's utterly staggering.

This sport is sick.

 

[airstream]

Menchov hasn't been able to find a stable program since he left Rabo.

Rather unlike Cobo Matxin's program seemed to him too risky.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That's bull****. You will find cheats everywhere. Employees shirking, employers making decisions for personal gain, looking on your neighbors paper during an exam. Cycling is not some sort of out-of-this-world film set where things happen that do not happen in real life.

Did you never cheat in your life?

I can't say I didn't.

you are taking things all too serious.

 

[del1962]

Last year he was saying he had a natural Ht of above 50 Also was complaining about stolen wins by dopers.

Do you have any links to Nielssen complaining about wins stolen by dopers?

 

[AntonioRossi]

time for the 2nd confession in as many days. Marc Lotz confessed to using epo and cortisone between 2001 and 2004 at Rabobank. While he did confess a few months back, I guess the news is that he doped while riding for rabo. He said he did all the doping on his own, not implicating anyone at rabobank. He was banned in 2005 while riding for quickstep when epo was found in his apartment.

http://www.l1.nl/sport/203475-marc-lotz-gebruikte-al-doping-bij-raboploeg#.UPwaVGekuKE

 

[The Sheep]

Didn't Lotz admit he used epo right after he got caught not a few months back?

Do you have any links to Nielssen complaining about wins stolen by dopers?

He was regular on a daily dutch TdF show during the tour last year. I don't know the exact quote he gave but another regular admitted he used testosterone during the show and then he said something to that extent. He comes of as a bit of a blowhard to me on that program so maybe I'm remembering it wrong.

 

[snackattack]

Yes it is. But this is a guy who has worked as a journalist for the last 10 years or more. Himself a doper, and lying about it for years... not only that, even adamantly criticizing other dopers. And bashing Rabobank for their lack of results in recent years.

This serves once again to indicate the extent of hypocrisy in cycling.

It's utterly staggering.

This sport is sick.

and cousin of Dutch cyclo journo guru the late Jean N.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

According to the same article Riis (!) warned Raas about Rasmussen in an e-mail.

that is very old news, already back in 2004 everybody knew

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

There are numerous articles which says that riders have said that Rabobank had systematic Team doping until 2012.
So where am i ignorant?

no there haven't

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Interesting thing came up on twitter by this guy.

https://twitter.com/pvdploeg




Apparently Riis warned Rabo about signing Rasmussen '.

Can't quite understand it though if it's true. Rasmussen won his first pro victory while at CSC and must have been surely on the sauce.

Did Riis warn Rabo because he identified a super responder and thought he could turn this guy in to a Tour winner and therefore didn't want tho miss out?

that's why riis warned them my god, do you guys follow cycling since a few years? this was already a pretty big thing back in 2004, when that warning came out

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Last year he was saying he had a natural Ht of above 50 Also was complaining about stolen wins by dopers.

yes indee.d nelissen turns out to be trhe biggest lieing piece of **** in recent times. if you ever listened to any of his eurosport comments, it's beyond ridiculous. any rider he doesn't looke he accuses them of doping (soler for instance), yet he turns out to be a fraud himself, what an ***hole

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Rather unlike Cobo Matxin's program seemed to him too risky.

what? cobo is clean. that is an entirely different story, but it's best not to comment about it when you are clealry clueless about this

 

[Mr.38%]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lotz-confirms-doping-at-rabobank-wauters-denies-it

My feeling is that the entire peloton in 2007 was not riding in legal means.

Must be a blatant misinterpretation. Because we all know, everything has stopped in 2005 and 2006. Everywhere. We are clean.

 

[theyoungest]

no there haven't

Yes there have, actually. The French, Spanish, German, Italian press are running headlines on Rabobank team doping from 1996 until 2012... because someone somewhere made a translation mistake, and everyone just copy-pastes it.

The level of current sports media is quite depressing, I must say.

 

[the asian]

that's why riis warned them my god, do you guys follow cycling since a few years? this was already a pretty big thing back in 2004, when that warning came out

There was no Internet back then for me. I mostly relied on watching TV and reading newspapers, and these matters aren't reported in our part of the world.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/lotz-confirms-doping-at-rabobank-wauters-denies-it

Originally Posted by Claus Hembo
My feeling is that the entire peloton in 2007 was not riding in legal means.

Must be a blatant misinterpretation. Because we all know, everything has stopped in 2005 and 2006. Everywhere. We are clean.

That line jumped off the page at me.

The quote had to be at least partially motivated by all of the "I stopped in 2005/2006", "I asked Kirstin, and she said not to" BS.

Dave.

 

[Ferminal]

I actually have more faith in Rasmussen being clean(ish) than certain riders on "clean" WT teams. His results are very average, no doubt age is a factor but there's no blood transfusions here, maybe just a light serving of EPO.

 

[hrotha]

I actually have more faith in Rasmussen being clean(ish) than certain riders on "clean" WT teams. His results are very average, no doubt age is a factor but there's no blood transfusions here, maybe just a light serving of EPO.

This is a guy who got involved in some doping ring while still suspended.

 

[Ferminal]

When he thought he still had a chance of getting a contract? There's more disincentive to heavy doping for 2013 Rasmussen than almost anyone else.

 

[snackattack]

When he thought he still had a chance of getting a contract? There's more disincentive to heavy doping for 2013 Rasmussen than almost anyone else.

How much is 5.8 million?

if it was written out

 

[Cloxxki]

He's the first non-anonymous rider to say: Leinders injected me with EPO. Finally.

And in '95 when he was amateur world champ? Surely clean, huh?

Get a bad illness, dope harder seems to be the rule.

Edited to add: how lame can you be, to admit only AFTER Lance, being an outspoken anti-doper?

 

[snackattack]

, this is just brilliant. Needs a copy in the chaos thread.

The court is leaning towards recalling the witnesses who have already given testimony, for further scrutiny of that very same testimony and beyond, as sense given to the court, that some of them were not free to speak as is by law required.

Aspect strangely funny, this court is just a few miles down of where the Dutch NOC and nerve centre is nested, chaired for almost a decade by miss Terpstra.