"The Secret Pro" on Katusha and doping

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Froome19 said:
The funny thing about is that he writes his own blog
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2012/12/ask-koen-de-kort/
So it seems like Cycling tips really got their value for money when they decided to appoint him as the "secret pro".

The mods from cyclingtips say it's not him. In the comments:
cyclingTips Mod The Secret Reply • 7 hours ago
I won't get into the elimination game, but you can take my word that Koen has nothing to do with this column. He has his own column called "Ask Koen".
 
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TomasC said:
The mods from cyclingtips say it's not him. In the comments:
cyclingTips Mod The Secret Reply • 7 hours ago
I won't get into the elimination game, but you can take my word that Koen has nothing to do with this column. He has his own column called "Ask Koen".

Strange that they deny it when it is so blatant..:)
 
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The Hitch said:
If it was Andy wed know by now. Too big a story.

Agree with this, Andy is in the news a lot and people follow him closely. It would have been leaked. Can't remember the last time Menchov was in the news though. He seems to have been forgotten about for the most part.
 
Afrank said:
Agree with this, Andy is in the news a lot and people follow him closely. It would have been leaked. Can't remember the last time Menchov was in the news though. He seems to have been forgotten about for the most part.

He popped up a few times in early season, beat Scarponi up that dragging Cat 2 climb in Paris-Nice.
 
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del1962 said:
Secret pro = teamate of Koen?

Only rider to have done TDU, Amstel, Roubaix and Turkey and not riding the Giro.

I could list numerous other clues as well, but Cyclingtips may not appreciate it..
 
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del1962 said:
Was he actually riding Turkey though?

Even without Turkey that would be only Koen or William Bonnet. And it is not Bonnet.

Koen also has big Australian links.

Also it narrows it down to Koen even more when you consider that he has raced multiple GTs, the Worlds and many classics as it is stated on the website. And has broken his collar bone, has to be a WT rider (and even his fascination with watches)

And a hundred other clues along the way..
 
SundayRider said:
Was only tactical errors that caused Sky not to win, nothing psychical.

That and bonus seconds. With no bonus seconds Froome would have won.

With the bonus second system the Vuelta has since incorporated, Cobo would have won by 1 second (there would have been sprint offs in the intermediate sprints to decide the winner)
 
Afrank said:
Agree with this, Andy is in the news a lot and people follow him closely. It would have been leaked. Can't remember the last time Menchov was in the news though. He seems to have been forgotten about for the most part.

The last time Menchov was in the news was rumours that he is doping.

The time before that was rumours that Menchov doping cost Katusha a wt spot.
 
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Froome19 said:
Even without Turkey that would be only Koen or William Bonnet. And it is not Bonnet.

Koen also has big Australian links.

Also it narrows it down to Koen even more when you consider that he has raced multiple GTs, the Worlds and many classics as it is stated on the website. And has broken his collar bone, has to be a WT rider (and even his fascination with watches)

And a hundred other clues along the way..
instead of taking digs at Astana and being a hypocrite, perhaps de Kort would like to come clean on the rabo espoirs shenanigans (profuse) and his win with Dekker in GP Eddy Merckx two up timetrial.

he then starts at Liberty Seguros. before Astana
is tiffany cromwell his partner?
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/01/2010-world-championship-course-geelong-australia/
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2010/10/inside-the-world-championships/
 
blackcat said:
instead of taking digs at Astana and being a hypocrite, perhaps de Kort would like to come clean on the rabo espoirs shenanigans (profuse) and his win with Dekker in GP Eddy Merckx two up timetrial.

he then starts at Liberty Seguros. before Astana
is tiffany cromwell his partner?
http://www.cyclingtipsblog.com/2010/01/2010-world-championship-course-geelong-australia/
http://cyclingtips.com.au/2010/10/inside-the-world-championships/

That 2 up TT is pretty funny, maybe they were the only ones who cared about it as they beat some classic names.

Cromwell is/was Richie's, lets not go there.
 
Froome19 said:
Even without Turkey that would be only Koen or William Bonnet. And it is not Bonnet.

Koen also has big Australian links.

Also it narrows it down to Koen even more when you consider that he has raced multiple GTs, the Worlds and many classics as it is stated on the website. And has broken his collar bone, has to be a WT rider (and even his fascination with watches)

And a hundred other clues along the way..

Actually I reread the article, he did ride Turkey

Other speculation on his identity here though
 
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Froome19 said:
Only rider to have done TDU, Amstel, Roubaix and Turkey and not riding the Giro.

I could list numerous other clues as well, but Cyclingtips may not appreciate it..

There were 5 riders who did TDU, Roubaix and Amstel.

BOASSON HAGEN Edvald
BONNET William
DE KORT Koen
HAYMAN Mathew
VISCONTI Giovanni

But if we include Tour of Turkey, it will narrow down to Koen de Kort, however I'm not sure from what he said, that he actually did the tour of turkey, although he seemed to know a lot of stuff of what has been going on there, especially concerning the organizers' concerns regarding Sayar.
Therefore, if the secret pro didn't do Turkey, it could be De Kort or Hayman IMO, assuming he did TDU, Roubaix and Amstel.
 
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de Kort raced Paris Tours in October, the secret pro did not race in October.

I wouldn't take everything as it appears in black and white though.
 
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M Sport said:
de Kort raced Paris Tours in October, the secret pro did not race in October.

I wouldn't take everything as it appears in black and white though.

Good point, but Paris Tours was right at the beginning of October so there is some leeway there..

Though the Pro did seem to imply he will be soon going off on a training camp for the Tour which KDK can't do if he is riding the Giro..
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Not sure I'm seeing this massive improvement in Cunego. There's only really 2010 that was a down year for him, the rest of the time he's where he's always been, except for in 2004 when he's all but told us he was doping. And in 2009, when the none-too-subtle points about Life's classifications and Danilo di Luca come from, he scored more CQ points than in his renaissance of 2011, and last year was his second lowest score ever. As he's become more able to pick up lower end top 10 placings in GTs and compete for the win over a week again, so his performance in one-day races has dropped away and his placements in the hilly Classics have fallen away. Also worth considering that this last three years or so ought to have been his physical peak had he followed a "normal" career path.

CQ scores from Il Piccolo Principe:

2004: 2260
2005: 1266
2006: 1388
2007: 1435
2008: 1800
2009: 1291
2010: 673
2011: 1210
2012: 917

Also, the blog entry did say that we could probably guess who it was, which would draw one's attention to somebody who's been off the road (eg Menchov), who's already notorious as a doper (di Luca, Scarponi, Valverde) or whose performances fluctuate wildly or have risen seemingly unnaturally (Cobo, Wiggins). The blog has included ambiguity aimed at minor levels of misdirection before, but I'd say of the active GT winners, Cunego would be one of the last ones that would come to my mind when they talk of it being somebody that we could all guess was doping.

Yeah it won't be Cunego, done nothing in a GT since 2004!