The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

[DirtyWorks]

Froome is clean, he will never test posotive. I think he has a mega hardcore work ethic and i dont believe most other riders do. There are **** loads of lazy people in all walks of life. There is no way a rider like David Miller puts in the same dedication and work as a guy like Froome...

I got an advance quote from Sky's PR department. They are working on a new message for Froome: “This is my body and I can do whatever I want to it. I can push it, and study it, tweak it, listen to it. Everybody wants to know what I’m on? I’m on my bike, busting my *** six hours a day. What are you on?”

What year is this again?

 

[arvc40]

Another July subscriber..... how much are the Skybot intern's getting this year?

Yes i am a July Subsciber, so what. Im also 35, have been watching this race and every other for 28 years, i held an elite racing licence in the uk and was a silver medalist in the national u23 road championships and was offered a pro contract. Cycling is my life. Ive raced and beaten Brad Wiggins, David Miller,Charly wegaelius at home and abroad.

Then at 21 my july subscriber name ARVC destroyed my life and dreams. Look that up my friend ARVC.

This is not a brag but your comment is insulting.

 

[lemoogle]

Uk will turn out many more great riders now that they are not being shat on by dopers. Its happening now, your watching it !.

Except with how froome is climbing he would have been ahead of most of these dopers "****ting" on them instead.

 

[taiwan]

I knew there was a Paula Radcliffe joke somewhere.

 

[pmcg76]

Froome is clean, he will never test posotive. I think he has a mega hardcore work ethic and i dont believe most other riders do. There are **** loads of lazy people in all walks of life. There is no way a rider like David Miller puts in the same dedication and work as a guy like Froome. Hes a mega talent, a mega hard worker, and the peleton is clean. Its clear to me that most of the dopers have a hard time realising just how good they really are without the gear. I bet Froome was riding hour after hour all winter when others where still thinking about it. Uk will turn out many more great riders now that they are not being shat on by dopers. Its happening now, your watching it !.

Just a question, where was this mega hardcore work ethic between 2008-11?? Is it something that one just suddenly develops. Could you point us in the direction of some other athletes who have suddenly developed a hardcore work ethic slightly later than the norm?? Any enduranace sport is fine.

 

[180mmCrank]

Yes ... just because you join in July does not always mean that you are clueless!

Welcome to the forum ARVC40!

AND for those that need to know ARVC is a crappy condition to have to cope with ... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arrhythmogenic_right_ventricular_dysplasia

Yes i am a July Subsciber, so what. Im also 35, have been watching this race and every other for 28 years, i held an elite racing licence in the uk and was a silver medalist in the national u23 road championships and was offered a pro contract. Cycling is my life. Ive raced and beaten Brad Wiggins, David Miller,Charly wegaelius at home and abroad.

Then at 21 my july subscriber name ARVC destroyed my life and dreams. Look that up my friend ARVC.

This is not a brag but your comment is insulting.

 

[the sceptic]

Just a question, where was this mega hardcore work ethic between 2008-11?? Is it something that one just suddenly develops. Could you point us in the direction of some other athletes who have suddenly developed a hardcore work ethic slightly later than the norm?? Any enduranace sport is fine.

And how did all these lazy athletes make it this far in the sport?

 

[arvc40]

Just a question, where was this mega hardcore work ethic between 2008-11?? Is it something that one just suddenly develops. Could you point us in the direction of some other athletes who have suddenly developed a hardcore work ethic slightly later than the norm?? Any enduranace sport is fine.

Cycling has got cleaner and cleaner since the end of that exact period. Froome would have been up against a higher percentage of doping during that period. Work ethic will only go so far when thats going on and when you know its happening you would be banging your head against a brick wall just like Froome and Porte would have been.

You are now seeing who really are the best athletes. Not to mention they are now part of an incredible Team of people.

I think work ethic can go up in people who can suddenly see that its finally going to be worth the effort.

Some of these athletes have been oppressed by doping.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Cycling has got cleaner and cleaner since the end of that exact period. Froome would have been up against a higher percentage of doping during that period. Work ethic will only go so far when thats going on and when you know its happening you would be banging your head against a brick wall just like Froome and Porte would have been.

You are now seeing who really are the best athletes. Not to mention they are now part of an incredible Team of people.

I think work ethic can go up in people who can suddenly see that its finally going to be worth the effort.

Some of these athletes have been oppressed by doping.

Herein lays the truth. I experienced that myself. I know what your are talking about.
Anyway i am still in the middle. I would never call Sky/Froome 100% clean, but certainly they are wayyy better off than others (like Valv/AC/LA/Rijs/Mosquera/Indurain/etc., you name it).
Froome is the real deal, that is for sure. And the heavy ex dopers perform to some kind of their normal level since they are feared to get a life ban.
B/c of that, TGBM also sees some light now, being able to hit the deserved spotlight...

 

[taiwan]

Froome: climbing on a par with Armstrong. If he can do that clean, why wait til everyone stops juicing?

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Herein lays the truth. I experienced that myself. I know what your are talking about.
Anyway i am still in the middle. I would never call Sky/Froome 100% clean, but certainly they are wayyy better off than others (like Valv/AC/LA/Rijs/Mosquera/Indurain/etc., you name it).
Froome is the real deal, that is for sure. And the heavy ex dopers perform to some kind of their normal level since they are feared to get a life ban.
B/c of that, TGBM also sees some light now, being able to hit the deserved spotlight...

Why is he the real deal? and if sky do dope why are they better than all those name you mention,i see that you included riis..typo for you?

 

[arvc40]

Froome: climbing on a par with Armstrong. If he can do that clean, why wait til everyone stops juicing?

Unless you can get Armstrong and Froome to race side by side now you will never be able to compare them as athletes.

Its my guess that Armstrong would outperform Froome every time.

Numbers on a piece of paper from past and present do not cover all variables that are found in racing.

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

Why is he the real deal? and if sky do dope why are they better than all those name you mention,i see that you included riis..typo for you?

No typo. Could have also mentioned Rominger or Chiapucchi....

... B/C Froome was one of the youngest riders who hit T20 in that 2011-Vuelta. Together with DMartin and Poels. And he was the best of that surprising group.
OTOH there was real obscure T20 finishers like Lagutin and Cobo.
Then i looked deeper and realized his career path. It all got plausible for me after that.

Again, again, and again: I don´t know if Sky dopes his riders or if they do something secret or not, but i am 100% sure others are/were worse, like the busted and (tried to) protected riders from spain for example...

 

[the sceptic]

Froome: climbing on a par with Armstrong. If he can do that clean, why wait til everyone stops juicing?

Thats the thing that all the Froome defenders are ignoring.

If he is so talented that he can climb as fast as Armstrong clean, then he would have no problem with beating the 2006-2010 dopers as well.

 

[arvc40]

Thats the thing that all the Froome defenders are ignoring.

If he is so talented that he can climb as fast as Armstrong clean, then he would have no problem with beating the 2006-2010 dopers as well.

Impossible to compare the Two. See post above

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Cycling has got cleaner and cleaner since the end of that exact period. Froome would have been up against a higher percentage of doping during that period. Work ethic will only go so far when thats going on and when you know its happening you would be banging your head against a brick wall just like Froome and Porte would have been.

You are now seeing who really are the best athletes. Not to mention they are now part of an incredible Team of people.

I think work ethic can go up in people who can suddenly see that its finally going to be worth the effort.

Some of these athletes have been oppressed by doping.

How did cycling get cleaner and cleaner over this period? 2008 was BP, no? You say cycling got cleaner since the end of this period, so 2011? So you feel that the biopassport is useless (and not just for riders who have suffered blood diseases that mean they don't have representative values)? If so, why did the péloton clean up in 2011? Was it a sudden jolt to cleanliness or a gradual thing, and if it was a gradual thing, how clean was the 2011 Vuelta that Froome would have won if not for bonus seconds? Or was cycling cleaning up over the period 2008-11, but only reaping the benefits from 2011 onward, in which case why do the results of clean cyclists like Froome not show progression at this point?

I believe cycling is cleaner than it was, mostly in that you can't get away with the brazen to-the-moon doping of the mid-90s anymore which means the gulf between the doped monoliths and the best clean riders is smaller and easier to bridge. However I don't believe that the entire péloton doped until one week into the 2011 Vuelta then all stopped together in unison, which is the only way to frame Froome's transformation that would not draw suspicion (other than wondering what specific event forced the whole péloton cold turkey).

Also, if Froome can put out times not far from Armstrong's when clean, does that mean that Armstrong's dope was not as effective as first thought and the effect of doping on a rider's capabilities is not as extreme as sometimes believed?

Trying to rationalise how Froome's rise (coinciding with those of Wiggins, Porte et al, and trying not to dwell on the hypocrisy of hiring known dope cheat Mick Rogers and the multitude of contradictions in Brailsford's and Wiggins' press statements, because dwelling on how often they can't keep their stories straight makes them seem dishonest) could be plausible clean creates a number of questions due to its sudden nature and the extreme level of improvement so suddenly from somebody who had previously only shown fragments of the potential he supposedly had. I'm going to need a few convincing answers to a few of those questions before the number of leaps of faith required to believe it's all above board are small enough to make it a more immediately acceptable conclusion to my mind than the alternative.

 

[taiwan]

Unless you can get Armstrong and Froome to race side by side now you will never be able to compare them as athletes.

Its my guess that Armstrong would outperform Froome every time.

Numbers on a piece of paper from past and present do not cover all variables that are found in racing.

Are you going to claim that about Ullrich, Vino, Beloki, Menchov, Sevilla etc also?

 

[arvc40]

How did cycling get cleaner and cleaner over this period? 2008 was BP, no? You say cycling got cleaner since the end of this period, so 2011? So you feel that the biopassport is useless (and not just for riders who have suffered blood diseases that mean they don't have representative values)? If so, why did the péloton clean up in 2011? Was it a sudden jolt to cleanliness or a gradual thing, and if it was a gradual thing, how clean was the 2011 Vuelta that Froome would have won if not for bonus seconds? Or was cycling cleaning up over the period 2008-11, but only reaping the benefits from 2011 onward, in which case why do the results of clean cyclists like Froome not show progression at this point?

I believe cycling is cleaner than it was, mostly in that you can't get away with the brazen to-the-moon doping of the mid-90s anymore which means the gulf between the doped monoliths and the best clean riders is smaller and easier to bridge. However I don't believe that the entire péloton doped until one week into the 2011 Vuelta then all stopped together in unison, which is the only way to frame Froome's transformation that would not draw suspicion (other than wondering what specific event forced the whole péloton cold turkey).

Also, if Froome can put out times not far from Armstrong's when clean, does that mean that Armstrong's dope was not as effective as first thought and the effect of doping on a rider's capabilities is not as extreme as sometimes believed?

Trying to rationalise how Froome's rise (coinciding with those of Wiggins, Porte et al, and trying not to dwell on the hypocrisy of hiring known dope cheat Mick Rogers and the multitude of contradictions in Brailsford's and Wiggins' press statements, because dwelling on how often they can't keep their stories straight makes them seem dishonest) could be plausible clean creates a number of questions due to its sudden nature and the extreme level of improvement so suddenly from somebody who had previously only shown fragments of the potential he supposedly had. I'm going to need a few convincing answers to a few of those questions before the number of leaps of faith required to believe it's all above board are small enough to make it a more immediately acceptable conclusion to my mind than the alternative.

Bloody hell, ill have another read through tmoz as im off to bed. Im totaly fried lol x Cant wait for the race to resume later on today, Monday morning already lol. Goodnight.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

No typo. Could have also mentioned Rominger or Chiapucchi....

... B/C Froome was one of the youngest riders who hit T20 in that 2011-Vuelta. Together with DMartin and Poels. And he was the best of that surprising group.
OTOH there was real obscure T20 finishers like Lagutin and Cobo.
Then i looked deeper and realized his career path. It all got plausible for me after that.

Again, again, and again: I don´t know if Sky dopes his riders or if they do something secret or not, but i am 100% sure others are/were worse, like the busted and (tried to) protected riders from spain for example...

His career path? are you serious? okay i get your point if he get caught he is not better than the riders from spain...is he better than samu sanchez?

 

[FoxxyBrown1111]

is he better than samu sanchez?

Well... seems like. But at least that should be seen as normal. I mean SS is 35. If he didn´t get there before, he will never do. Froome OTOH is at the peak of capability.
About his (Froome´s) career path: That was discussed 1 million times. I believe in it (born in africa, hitting the pro road scene/european circuit late, what if he was trained perfectly from early on), others don´t...

 

[No_Balls]

Froome is clean, he will never test posotive. I think he has a mega hardcore work ethic and i dont believe most other riders do. There are **** loads of lazy people in all walks of life. There is no way a rider like David Miller puts in the same dedication and work as a guy like Froome. Hes a mega talent, a mega hard worker, and the peleton is clean. Its clear to me that most of the dopers have a hard time realising just how good they really are without the gear. I bet Froome was riding hour after hour all winter when others where still thinking about it. Uk will turn out many more great riders now that they are not being shat on by dopers. Its happening now, your watching it !.

Sad to hear that the other guys was thinking about it when Froome trained all winter. This must be the answer for his success. He trained this winter.

But...

At least its great to finally see UK revealing their true cycling potential to the world now when the peloton is clean and they are all competing at the same level. Ok, not the same level since other people are lazy as you said, but at least not doped. Also pleased to see fanboy McQuaid working so hard to getting rid of the problem so his compatriots can fly free as Armstrong. For clean cycling!

 

[darwin553]

Sad to hear that the other guys was thinking about it when Froome trained all winter. This must be the answer for his success. He trained this winter.

Yep he sure did and last winter too

 

[Kender]

Thats like saying the lad down the street had an interview with the Mafia boss to see if he could get a job @ the local supermarket.

To think one can keep up or beat convicted dopers whilst riding full natty brah is a bit naive.

Its pro sport. You don't dope you won't cope @ the top. Simple as that.

I still watch the TDF each year and every stage of the TDU. I like seeing how fast people can go on epo. Makes for good entertainment.

did i say cadel didn't dope? no i didnt. All i was refuting was the claim that cadel was a ferrari client. he wasn't. he did 1 test on the road so his manager could determine if he should make cadel switch to the road instead of mountain biking.

as for what happened after that? i have no idea if he did dope or not, but alot of others in that generation seems to be getting popped or confessing, so it certainly isn't far fetched that he might have been

 

[patswana]

Froome is clean, he will never test posotive. I think he has a mega hardcore work ethic and i dont believe most other riders do. There are **** loads of lazy people in all walks of life. There is no way a rider like David Miller puts in the same dedication and work as a guy like Froome. Hes a mega talent, a mega hard worker, and the peleton is clean. Its clear to me that most of the dopers have a hard time realising just how good they really are without the gear. I bet Froome was riding hour after hour all winter when others where still thinking about it. Uk will turn out many more great riders now that they are not being shat on by dopers. Its happening now, your watching it !.

I assume that you are joking but just in case you are not:

Have you hung out with any of the local A grade/Cat 1 amateurs? All the ones I know are busting their balls doing 700 - 1000km per week with specific power based & interval training. And these are amateurs with no chance of making the ProTour.

Yet you're telling me that only British pro riders train hard? That all those other Pros from teams who are spending many millions of Euros trying to win Grand Tours are not really trying that hard? That all these Type A, ultra-competitive people are sitting on their backsides not willing to do the hard work.

This is the same rubbish that Armstrong came up with: 'we train harder'. What a freakin' insult. And what freakin' rubbish too.

 

[Alphabet]

So, what are we expecting from the time trial later today? I think the Dawg will put a minute, maybe two, into Contador and more on Valverde, Rodriguez and Evans.