The Sky-Con-O-Meter. Predictions on how much more ridiculous they can get

[mrhender]

Can't wait for next year..

Team Marginal Transparency - VERSUS - Team Fluorescence Army...

Great stuff....

You know.. Team sky are so good at marginal gains -that even the transparency - is marginal...

All gains

 

[Bexon30]

Can't wait for next year..

Team marginal transparency - VERSUS - Team Fluorescence army...

Great stuff....

You know.. Team sky are so good at marginal gains -that even the transparency - is marginal...

Porte is definitely on the game this year. Sky have to step up or settle for 2nd/3rd if not. It'll be interesting how much this Tour may regress in the name of cleaner cycling. I personally expect fast ascents and all out mentalness.

All gains

 

[mrhender]

Can't wait for next year..

Team marginal transparency - VERSUS - Team Fluorescence army...

Great stuff....

You know.. Team sky are so good at marginal gains -that even the transparency - is marginal...

All gains

And all the believers -will find themselves here -sooner or later...

 

[dolophonic]

Sebastian Henao ..
gets front page on CN .. what happened to his bio passport issues ?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Sebastian Henao ..
gets front page on CN .. what happened to his bio passport issues ?

What passport issues? All I remember is him bravely volunteering for an innovative new way of sciencing by being the test subject and control all by himself

 

[del1962]

What passport issues? All I remember is him bravely volunteering for an innovative new way of sciencing by being the test subject and control all by himself

I think that was his cousin

 

[More Strides than Rides]

I think that was his cousin

Aha. Sebastian is on the front page. I just assumed the post was about Sergio, given the BP angle.

 

[thehog]

Aha. Sebastian is on the front page. I just assumed the post was about Sergio, given the BP angle.

He's an altitude native as well, surely they did a study on him?

 

[dolophonic]

yes it was Serg.. but whats in a name when sky are involved..

 

[B_Ugli]

The real problem for Sky will be if this whole sting on Ferrari and the Italians actually has some basis rather than simply what has been claimed in the gazzetta.

The overwhelming problem for Armstrong came with the realisation amongst fans that everybody he had competed against had been popped and therefore the only logical explanation for him beating them all was the dope.

Therefore if Astana do get busted the question on everyone's lips will be, how does Sky beat a bunch of guys doping unless they are doping themselves?

 

[thehog]

The real problem for Sky will be if this whole sting on Ferrari and the Italians actually has some basis rather than simply what has been claimed in the gazzetta.

The overwhelming problem for Armstrong came with the realisation amongst fans that everybody he had competed against had been popped and therefore the only logical explanation for him beating them all was the dope.

Therefore if Astana do get busted the question on everyone's lips will be, how does Sky beat a bunch of guys doping unless they are doping themselves?

An old poster on the Armstrong thread back in the day posted this one from the Jay Leno show with Armstrong:

issoisso wrote:
He once had a far better aneurysm moment than that one....and awesomely enough, it was when he was a guest on the tonight show. July 11th 2006.

Jay Leno asked him something about people claiming he doped. You know, typical staged question to allow him to do a rebuttal and have the audience applaud.......except he tried to go for the convoluted explanation (this was shortly after Ullrich and Basso and others had been implicated in Puerto ) and ended up driving himself into a dead end.

IT. WAS. AWESOME.

(I don't remember the exact lines, so this is paraphrased until the last few words of the first quote...after that it's verbatim)

Armstrong: "I've proven it so many times that you just have to look and think for yourself. If those guys have been caught and it's been shown what they were doing....and I beat those guys........then.............then I..............."

*realizes what he's implying*

*monster pause*

"I.....then....."

Leno, cutting in with a matter-of-fact tone, to save Armstrong: "Hey lance, you never tested positive, right?"

Armstrong: "Never"

*audience cheers*

 

[TailWindHome]

The real problem for Sky will be if this whole sting on Ferrari and the Italians actually has some basis rather than simply what has been claimed in the gazzetta.

The overwhelming problem for Armstrong came with the realisation amongst fans that everybody he had competed against had been popped and therefore the only logical explanation for him beating them all was the dope.

Therefore if Astana do get busted the question on everyone's lips will be, how does Sky beat a bunch of guys doping unless they are doping themselves?

Except they haven't placed a man in front of Nibali in a GT since he moved to Astana

 

[Bronstein]

Nibali was clean at Liquigas?

 

[thehog]

Nibali was clean at Liquigas?

I don't know. I saw Froome destroy Nibali at Romandie. Froome was sick as well.

Why narrow it down to just GT's seeing Froome didn't race the Giro, didn't complete the Tour and Nibali wasn't at the Vuetla.

Previous year Nibali wasn't even at the Tour and rode the Giro which Froome didn't ride.

Awesome strawman by TailWindHome.

 

[The Hitch]

Except they haven't placed a man in front of Nibali in a GT since he moved to Astana

Well they haven't actually sent any of their gt leaders to a gt that Nibali has ridden since he moved to Astana.

But I do heart your comment, because what you are conceding by making it (and not for the first time) is that beating a doper in a gt would indeed be extremely dodgy.

So hopefully you will now explain to us how Bradley Wiggins managed to beat Frank Schleck, Andreas Kloeden and Roman Kreuziger (among others) in 2009

 

[pmcg76]

The real problem for Sky will be if this whole sting on Ferrari and the Italians actually has some basis rather than simply what has been claimed in the gazzetta.

The overwhelming problem for Armstrong came with the realisation amongst fans that everybody he had competed against had been popped and therefore the only logical explanation for him beating them all was the dope.

Therefore if Astana do get busted the question on everyone's lips will be, how does Sky beat a bunch of guys doping unless they are doping themselves?

Problem is most of the names mentioned so far have already been sanctioned, were already known, have retired already or were nobodies. Unless they come up with some new 'big' names, it will be a storm in a tea cup.

I am also weary of the press adding legs to things. Could be that Ferrari appeared at a training camp at which 17 Astana riders were present but people turn that into Ferrari was working with all 17 riders.

Look how many times such stories have proven to be less definitive than what actually was believed. The Blitz raids at the Giro of 01, 60-70 people implicated, how man sanctioned? The Puerto affair, the Mantova affair, more of less all of Lampre linked but how many sanctioned? Some reports had Cunego on the list, other reports had Cunego as one of those who was not involved.

I would imagine that is why many are hesitant to comment on the matter. Better to wait for the full story than jump on newspaper reports that could turn out to be very inaccurate.

 

[TailWindHome]

I don't know. I saw Froome destroy Nibali at Romandie. Froome was sick as well.

Why narrow it down to just GT's seeing Froome didn't race the Giro, didn't complete the Tour and Nibali wasn't at the Vuetla.

Previous year Nibali wasn't even at the Tour and rode the Giro which Froome didn't ride.

Awesome strawman by TailWindHome.

That's not a strawman.

Hilarously you want to reduce the sample set further from the GTs by which a GT rider is measured to 'Races which Froome won'

 

[thehog]

Problem is most of the names mentioned so far have already been sanctioned, were already known, have retired already or were nobodies. Unless they come up with some new 'big' names, it will be a storm in a tea cup.

I am also weary of the press adding legs to things. Could be that Ferrari appeared at a training camp at which 17 Astana riders were present but people turn that into Ferrari was working with all 17 riders.

Look how many times such stories have proven to be less definitive than what actually was believed. The Blitz raids at the Giro of 01, 60-70 people implicated, how man sanctioned? The Puerto affair, the Mantova affair, more of less all of Lampre linked but how many sanctioned? Some reports had Cunego on the list, other reports had Cunego as one of those who was not involved.

I would imagine that is why many are hesitant to comment on the matter. Better to wait for the full story than jump on newspaper reports that could turn out to be very inaccurate.

How many were sanctioned out of Puerto?

Doping stopped in 2006 so yes only Santiago Perez was doping

Let's wait for the UCI to sort it all out, anytime soon

 

[thehog]

That's not a strawman.

Hilarously you want to reduce the sample set further from the GTs by which a GT rider is measured to 'Races which Froome won'

I think the humor was by the fact you were trying to compare two riders whom haven't competed in a GT since 2012.

LOL! You do entertain.

 

[TailWindHome]

Well they haven't actually sent any of their gt leaders to a gt that Nibali has ridden since he moved to Astana.

But I do heart your comment, because what you are conceding by making it (and not for the first time) is that beating a doper in a gt would indeed be extremely dodgy.

So hopefully you will now explain to us how Bradley Wiggins managed to beat Frank Schleck, Andreas Kloeden and Roman Kreuziger (among others) in 2009

Harsh on Wiggins' 2013 Giro. Fair maybe. But still harsh.

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You've just mentioned 3 riders who were the plan Bs and Cs for their teams....

 

[pmcg76]

How many were sanctioned out of Puerto?

Doping stopped in 2006 so yes only Santiago Perez was doping

Let's wait for the UCI to sort it all out, anytime soon

Amazing how the only people who seem to ever claim doping stopped in 2006 are posters in the clinic

This all depends on the links/evidence etc.

As I posted out before, Christophe Bassons was part of the Festina investigation.

So lets say the Festina investigation included X number of riders, that would also include the likes of Bassons. See the problem.

Press use misleding headlines to attract readership. The more controversial they can make something, the better it is for them.

 

[WildspokeJoe]

Therefore if Astana do get busted the question on everyone's lips will be, how does Sky beat a bunch of guys doping unless they are doping themselves?

Except they haven't placed a man in front of Nibali in a GT since he moved to Astana

Froome placed above Fabio Aru in the 2014 Vuelta. Aru is only 24 and he won two difficult stages in the race. (Contador and Froome were clearly the two 'strongest' riders in the race.)

 

[sniper]

Amazing how the only people who seem to ever claim doping stopped in 2006 are posters in the clinic

???
what we have is a bunch of Garmin and USPS riders claiming they stopped in 2006.
Vaughters was asked about this historical coincidence by Benson in that recent interview.
Tellingly, JV didn't answer the question.

 

[the sceptic]

Except they haven't placed a man in front of Nibali in a GT since he moved to Astana

Nibali is clean by bot logic anyway so you have nothing to worry about.

If Contador tests positive that might be trouble but I'm sure Walsh will be on top of that.

 

[Benotti69]

Amazing how the only people who seem to ever claim doping stopped in 2006 are posters in the clinic

Really, so Hincapie, Liepheimer, CVdV et all in the reasoned decsision didn't state that they stopped in 2006???

This all depends on the links/evidence etc.

As I posted out before, Christophe Bassons was part of the Festina investigation.

So lets say the Festina investigation included X number of riders, that would also include the likes of Bassons. See the problem.

Press use misleding headlines to attract readership. The more controversial they can make something, the better it is for them.

Bassons won nothing against dopers. He was given the '99 dauphine stage win in by the rest of the peloton as PR.