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This is actually a fascinating Tour because there is a competition, just a different dynamic. An internal team competition.

Don't write off Klodi and LL. Net out the bonuses in last year's Vuelta, LL beat AC.

Klodi can win this also.

Is Bruyneel getting the doctors to give all his riders the same treatment. Do they all have their deliveries assured?

This is much more fascinating, the political intrigue and perfidy in unparalleled, even for the Tour.
 
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This is actually a fascinating Tour because there is a competition, just a different dynamic. An internal team competition.

Don't write off Klodi and LL. Net out the bonuses in last year's Vuelta, LL beat AC.

Klodi can win this also.

Is Bruyneel getting the doctors to give all his riders the same treatment. Do they all have their deliveries assured?

This is much more fascinating, the political intrigue and perfidy is unparalleled, even for the Tour.
 
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Gadzooks!, a historian... Thanks for the lesson. Have you really been paying attention for 35 years? Wow! That brings back some memories. Like getting my daily TDF results via Telex from a friend in Belgium back in the 70's. How'd you get yours?

If you really have been around that long, how can make such a hapless comment.

The hapless comment aside, you really caught me out... I have studied history on the University (go figure as nowadays I'm an IT manager^^). That said my study didn't cover sport :p

How did I follow the TdF? Dutch televison and newspapers. I started watching when I was eight, so thats 31 years ago. I dare say I know enough of the TdF's starting with 68 (Janssens year!) to have a decent conversation with you

Tell me who are you betting the farm on?... Lance or Alberto?

I'm no betting man, but common sense says AC. However I really can't count out Lance.

And you're sure it is a forgone conclusion well before the Ventoux?
I'm pretty sure it will be either Lance or AC.

Have you ever climbed Ventoux? I have... and please pardon my naivete in thinking it will play a decisive part in this years tour. It seems to be a pretty strong opinion among the GC contenders. By the way, can you name another Tour ever, where the Queen stage was the day before Paris?

I would agree that it really is decisive, I just do not believe the climbers will be able to crack the train. About the queen stage.... well I do remember a lot of important last day/second last day TT's. So mountains no, but decisive stages, yes.

So let's look at your formula for this forgone conclusion, and I won't back any further than your 35 years. You of course picked Merckx over Thevenet in 75, but a kidney shot is hard to call... hmmm, not part of the formula. [/
Van Impe in 76... not exactly formula. Hinault... OK, formula working, but tough about that 1980 abandon to Zoetemelk...didn't see that coming.

Actually that one was not completely surprising as there were rumors of hinault being injured weeks before the TdF (I'm Dutch so we really were in to that year). And when Zoetemelk survived the Pyrenees the Raleigh train crushed everything in the Alps.
Fignon for a few years while Hinault was having surgery... more formula. But Lemond in 86? ...rivals on the same team? Tell me your you had Lemond all the way. I'm sure of it.

I rooted for Bernard :) But as this time I suspected it would be Greg. But I would say that one was completely formula, La Vie Claire murdered the opposition. Actually, Fignon might be more exception than rule, as both in 83 as 84 he wasn't the main favorite; in 84 everyone was banking on Hinault, Fignon was seen as a Pingeon/Walkowiak.

Roche in 87, Delgado in 88, Lemond over Fignon by seconds in in 89?... all totally predictable.
Definite not formula, though Delgado 88 was expected. However that year the main team was PDM, not Reynolds/Banesto

Indurain in 91 coming from 10th the year before ... obvious choice.

Yes he was an obvious choice, insiders had his name in Neon on their sheets. I was actually sceptical, but the insiders were spot on.

Super domestique Riis to topple Indurain? Ullrich to step over team mate Riis?

Riis was a surprise(or at least Mig's collapse was), but he definitely used the formula. Telekom was insane those two years. Ulli wasn't a surprise at all the next year, everyone besides Riis knew he would win :p

Pantani, ahh... you are correct, the little climber without a team, and tired from a Giro victory, pulled a rabbit out of hat on a cold day in the mountains and and took over 7 minutes back from Jan. Of course getting the dose right surely helped.

I think that beside Lemond in 97 he had the weakest team I ever saw for a winner (Roche had Carrera with Visentini, Bontempi and others)

Then there was Armstrong is 99. We ALL saw that coming right? Personally, I had Ullrich over Basso in 06, as did the formula I am sure, but hey, a drug scandal? Who'd have thought? But Landis... I mean Periero was the obvious go to guy. The formula was working again in 07 when Alberto and Johan stomped the entire field by a whopping 23 seconds, and of course we all had Sastre dialed in from the start for last years Tour.

Actually beside his collapse in one stage (and his silly recovery) Landis did succesfully use the "team" card. in 2007 it was rabo who put the hammer down which they did quite well (only AC/leppy survived the onslaught). Sastre's win was based on the team... but I would count it as atypical.

You are correct. The Tour has had it's many dominant riders with teams built for their success, but only Induain and Armstong's wins were all consecutive, and some of those were tight. Surprises have consistently been part the Tour whether it's crashes, scandals, or heroic efforts.

Agreed, but as I said, it's not "insane" to think it's in the bag for Astana.

I also agree that Astana is in the Cat Bird seat with their TTT victory, and Lance and Johan do not make many mistakes. But 37 year old legs against the 26 year old winner of the last three Grand Tours. You're going to make the call on that? Yeah it seems obvious, but... Whose going to crack? Whose going to crash? Whose going to ask for their B sample to be tested?

The drama and that unpredictability of the Tour, even when it looks very predictable to those well informed bloggers here, is what makes it one of the most watched and most love sporting events on the planet. I, for one like it the way and will continue to tune in to see how it plays out. And despite your obvious resignation, I suspect you will too.

Oh yes, I really enjoy it, just wanted to point out that it is somewhat predicatble. About AC vs. Lance... I really don't know. Sense says AC, but fun says Lance (wouldn't it be hilarious?).
 
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Anyone can crash out or get really bad diarrhea just look at poor Boonen.
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Who knows..

My prediction is LA will win and AC will get second, but that is only my prediction. I think unless one rider is really a cut above the rest, like LA was in most of his TDF wins, then there will be some good battles in the mountains for sure.... in saying that i can't see Astana not getting two riders on the final podium... at worst... Bring on the big bumps in the landscape! Sh.it its more exciting than its been for a few years don't you think?
 

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Sh.it its more exciting than its been for a few years don't you think?

I agree. Its great that media report that "Armstrong is 1 sec from yellow" rather than " Cancellara in yellow". Poor Saxo. They got yellow but I don't think I've even seen a picture of the team in the newspapers.

I just gush over 21 days of Armstrong, Astana, Livestrong, will he ride for Contador talk, Armstrong, Trek, Livestrong, Armstrong, Nike, Trek, Armstrong, Livestrong - repeat to fade.

I mean why have anyone else in the race ?

I even watched the Phil and Paul 1 hour highlight package of the TTT last night and it was a 60 minute advertisement for Lance Armstrong Inc. I loved it.
 
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WBT-I too watched the highlight show of the TTT last night and after 5 minutes I went into the bathroom and promptly threw up!!! What a bunch of nutt huggers. If I didn't like Lance before...I surely am tired of him now...and we are only a few days in.
 

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WBT-I too watched the highlight show of the TTT last night and after 5 minutes I went into the bathroom and promptly threw up!!! What a bunch of nutt huggers. If I didn't like Lance before...I surely am tired of him now...and we are only a few days in.

I said to myself if they show Ben Stiller warming up on Armstrong TT bike or even interview Stiller then I was going to stick the b*tt end of a pool cue up my own nasal cavity.

Lucky it didn’t happen. However I know it won’t be long before ridiculous stories start drifting out about how under Armstrong’s guidance the team reconned the course back in April. These stories will tell us they went with the McClaren Formula One team to ensure they had the appropriate downforce on the bikes for the tight bends and rapid elevations. The win was all down to planning. Something the other teams don’t do.
 
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I said to myself if they show Ben Stiller warming up on Armstrong TT bike or even interview Stiller then I was going to stick the b*tt end of a pool cue up my own nasal cavity. Lucky it didn’t happen but I know it won’t be long before ridiculous stories start drifting out about how under Armstrong’s guidance the team reconned the course back in April and with the McClaren Formula One team to ensure they had the appropriate downforce on the bikes for the tight bends and rapid elevations. The win was all down to planning. Something the other teams don’t do.

Armstrong also trains during the winter, which no other rider does. Although he's recently missed a few winters of training (and a few summers, springs and autumns of training and racing too). But because he trained this winter when all the other riders were drinking beer he's going to win the Tour and nothing will be amiss. Shame on all of you who don't believe in miracles (and winter training).
 
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personally i think this is good for cadel. I mean he was never going to win it in the tt's anyway so he will have to attack he may not be able to break contador (then again contador has shown before he does battle to sustain a pace after an attack and if there is one thing cadel can do it's ride tempo) but he will defintly put the other astana boys into difficulty.

Same thing for Rabobank i would switch leadership to Gesink as it is quite obvious that Menchov is hurting from the Giro. What i think would be the biggest problem for the other teams is to defend the jersey from astana if they got it earlier. While i believe Alberto will win the tour i think the racing is far from over.
 
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I said to myself if they show Ben Stiller warming up on Armstrong TT bike or even interview Stiller then I was going to stick the b*tt end of a pool cue up my own nasal cavity.

Lucky it didn’t happen. However I know it won’t be long before ridiculous stories start drifting out about how under Armstrong’s guidance the team reconned the course back in April. These stories will tell us they went with the McClaren Formula One team to ensure they had the appropriate downforce on the bikes for the tight bends and rapid elevations. The win was all down to planning. Something the other teams don’t do.


which is my point, all those known advantages are neutralised, but when you have PR flaks like Liggett and Sherwen, masquerading as commentators, you get 90% on here thinking they are geniuses or innovators.

The innovation really changed dynamic to a side of the sport that will get this post deleted. Thus, the tactics and strength of the racers are rendered inconsequential to innovation.
 
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I agree. Its great that media report that "Armstrong is 1 sec from yellow" rather than " Cancellara in yellow". Poor Saxo. They got yellow but I don't think I've even seen a picture of the team in the newspapers.

I just gush over 21 days of Armstrong, Astana, Livestrong, will he ride for Contador talk, Armstrong, Trek, Livestrong, Armstrong, Nike, Trek, Armstrong, Livestrong - repeat to fade.

I mean why have anyone else in the race ?

I even watched the Phil and Paul 1 hour highlight package of the TTT last night and it was a 60 minute advertisement for Lance Armstrong Inc. I loved it.

Don't know how many times in 4 days I've heard "Lance Armstrong has returned to cycling to promote the Livestrong cause".
 
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Armstrong also trains during the winter, which no other rider does. Although he's recently missed a few winters of training (and a few summers, springs and autumns of training and racing too). But because he trained this winter when all the other riders were drinking beer he's going to win the Tour and nothing will be amiss. Shame on all of you who don't believe in miracles (and winter training).

Amstrong Legend continued:

He is also one of the few pro riders who knows that you need to be at the front if it is windy.

Also don't forget he loves this race and has ridden it quite a few times.

And he makes sure that he is in top shape just before the tour.

I'm sure the other 179 guys wished they were as smart and dedicated. They don't train in the winter, don't recon the route for each stage, hang around at the back taking it easy when its windy and don't really enjoy the tour.

Because they haven't survived cancer they just don't know what hard work is and often turn up at the tour overweight and unfit. They are not as mentally strong as Lance.
 
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Amstrong Legend continued:

He is also one of the few pro riders who knows that you need to be at the front if it is windy.

Also don't forget he loves this race and has ridden it quite a few times.

And he makes sure that he is in top shape just before the tour.

I'm sure the other 179 guys wished they were as smart and dedicated. They don't train in the winter, don't recon the route for each stage, hang around at the back taking it easy when its windy and don't really enjoy the tour.

Because they haven't survived cancer they just don't know what hard work is and often turn up at the tour overweight and unfit. They are not as mentally strong as Lance.

Are you being serious?
 

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which is my point, all those known advantages are neutralised, but when you have PR flaks like Liggett and Sherwen, masquerading as commentators, you get 90% on here thinking they are geniuses or innovators.

I don’t know if its true but I heard that in the fours years Lance had off the bike he took a degree in Meteorology. He knew he'd make a comeback one day and there would be a stage with some wind.

This is why he was in the right position on stage 2… he knew exactly what the wind was going to do. Smart guy.
 
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Lance has so much torque that when he rides West his wheels cause the earth to rotate slightly faster, and when he rides East it rotates slightly slower.
 
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I agree. Its great that media report that "Armstrong is 1 sec from yellow" rather than " Cancellara in yellow". Poor Saxo. They got yellow but I don't think I've even seen a picture of the team in the newspapers.

I just gush over 21 days of Armstrong, Astana, Livestrong, will he ride for Contador talk, Armstrong, Trek, Livestrong, Armstrong, Nike, Trek, Armstrong, Livestrong - repeat to fade.

I mean why have anyone else in the race ?

I even watched the Phil and Paul 1 hour highlight package of the TTT last night and it was a 60 minute advertisement for Lance Armstrong Inc. I loved it.

I 100% agree with this ... I can't wait for the next installment of the SBS Lance Armstrong appreciation society show tonight. In fact, I can hear them now!
 
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I hope that someone who wins this TDF, appreciates the Tour for being a great event.
Not for an ego massage.

No one is above cycling.:mad::mad:

I would have loved to see Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, take on LA in a sprint & see who would have come off better.
He wouldn't have bullied Abdou.:D:D

A French winner would be great.
Give the TDF a boost.
 
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WBT-I too watched the highlight show of the TTT last night and after 5 minutes I went into the bathroom and promptly threw up!!! What a bunch of nutt huggers. If I didn't like Lance before...I surely am tired of him now...and we are only a few days in.

What's funny, is that if all you Lance haters, or "not fans", listed all the reasons why you don't like him, well, it would become obvious that you aren't much different from the juvenile little girls who tear down the prom queen.
 
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On a "positive note"
It was really good to see Voeckler winning today's stage - eve though I already knew that was going to happen too !! :D:D
Pity all those convinced that the TdF was over did not watch. Good on Thomas!
 
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Hey fpcyclingn...STFU!!! I have always said I don't mind Lance...but the coverage absolutely sucks! If you like it...good for you...however, I **** on you and your kind!!

I am starting to sound like WBT eh!!!