The USADA letter in full

[thehog]

From the seventh paragraph of the CN story:



Yours,
A non-Clinic Loiterer

There's only 12 people in the Clinic.

 

[Epicycle]

Here are his blood values from 2009:

Lance's Blood Numbers

The number that got changed was the 2/4/09 crit. It was 45.5% the first time it was released then dropped to 43.1 here.

These results are also noteworthy because his crit/hemoglobin was the same at the beginning, middle and end of the Tour, which is very suspicious.

 

[GotDropped]

You can say about Spain what you want, but they (without having the proper laws) actually caught a doping ring, and (again without having the proper laws) lots of riders got punished one way or the other. Information and evidence leaked to other authorities so that they could suspend riders, lots of riders stopped or ended up in smaller teams because they got implicated. Even Valverdes blood blags ended up in Italy in the end (and I can tell you: they didn't walk by themselves)...

Valverde's blood bags only ended up in Italy, because the authorities in Italy had to wait until the judge in charge of the case went on holidays, and then they asked for the blood bags in order to press charges against the Italian riders (Basso etc...) and the temporary judge sent them Valverdes bags as well by mistake, something the judge in charge would not have allowed to happen. None of the spanish riders were punished by the spanish authorities. No-one ever found out who the bags labeled "European Cup" belonged to, or who the tenis players were, or who the track and field athletes were. It would have been very easy to do with DNA, but the Spanish authorities did not allow that to happen.

 

[GotDropped]

The same DNA evidence the Italians used to nab Basso and Valverde.

 

[red_flanders]

Thanks Bala,

Here's the scribd version in full, selectable text: http://www.scribd.com/doc/97023821/001-armstrongcharging0613

 

[slowspoke]

Heres his values but I don't know enough to se anything suspicious other than the fluctuation in H/C between May and June 09 (38.2 - 45.7)

 

[ElChingon]

From the seventh paragraph of the CN story:

Yours,
A non-Clinic Loiterer

Yea, finally read it (the PDF not the CN spin). Sorry about interrupting the repost of the letter Bala, I posted in the wrong thread, my mix up.

Everyone should read the PDF (letter from USADA) before posting, good stuff. I just want more of the who and when to be posted (from the USADA, not guesses from the rafters).

PS: Mr. Tibbs, I know you're not a loiterer.

 

[red_flanders]

word doc on scribd: http://www.scribd.com/doc/97023821/001-armstrongcharging0613

 

[slowspoke]

Wow that JPG turn out huge!

Sorry.....

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Valverde's blood bags only ended up in Italy, because the authorities in Italy had to wait until the judge in charge of the case went on holidays, and then they asked for the blood bags in order to press charges against the Italian riders (Basso etc...) and the temporary judge sent them Valverdes bags as well by mistake, something the judge in charge would not have allowed to happen. None of the spanish riders were punished by the spanish authorities. No-one ever found out who the bags labeled "European Cup" belonged to, or who the tenis players were, or who the track and field athletes were. It would have been very easy to do with DNA, but the Spanish authorities did not allow that to happen.

What? Order a sample of Bassos blood and get Valverdes for free?

Basso was sanctioned without them ever needing his DNA (I assume it was a deal so CONI didnt take away his Giro win).
CONI were able to get a sample from Bag no 18 Valpiti as they had identified it as Valverdes.

 

[mr. tibbs]

Yea, finally read it (the PDF not the CN spin). Sorry about interrupting the repost of the letter Bala, I posted in the wrong thread, my mix up.

Everyone should read the PDF (letter from USADA) before posting, good stuff. I just want more of the who and when to be posted (from the USADA, not guesses from the rafters).

PS: Mr. Tibbs, I know you're not a loiterer.

See you in the Road forum

 

[ElChingon]

Wow that JPG turn out huge!

Sorry.....

Was better large than the redone small size...

Would be nice if this lame forum software allowed for

so we could at the very least have monospaced text to make tables at the very raw.

would be better... ugh this forum software is like going back in time...

 

[Juan Pelota]

All I care about is if Lance is going to be banned from racing triathlons?

Can't get a clear answer on that, what have you guys heard?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

15 pages of SSDD. What a Quasi Waste of Taxpayer Money

Lance blew a load of egg all over your face and this is all you have? Get angry man. Get mean. Grrrrr!!!!!!!!! Steely Resolve!!!!!! Gritty determination!!!!!!

This letter is your chance to bow out gracefully...just like Lance shold have done...but he didn't. He came back and I thank him for it. Hanging yourself with your own rope. Perfect.

What was Lance on? An narcissistic driven ego jag..and HGH, EPO, various blood doping methods, etc, etc, etc. See the letter for more details, your results won't vary.

 

[ChewbaccaD]

Heres his values but I don't know enough to se anything suspicious other than the fluctuation in H/C between May and June 09 (38.2 - 45.7)

No spikes, not spikes at all. None. Nada. Well, hey look, a buxom blonde!!

 

[ElChingon]

All I care about is if Lance is going to be banned from racing triathlons?

Can't get a clear answer on that, what have you guys heard?

Yes, he is.

 

[stephens]

The whole "passport" concept is bogus. Over the last three years, my own hematocrit has tested as low as 34.7 and as high as 41 and everywhere in between, in a haphazard pattern. I've not taken any drugs. These things happen.

 

[ElChingon]

The whole "passport" concept is bogus. Over the last three years, my own hematocrit has tested as low as 34.7 and as high as 41 and everywhere in between, in a haphazard pattern. I've not taken any drugs. These things happen.

Expect to be banned form the forum mate, your time is a coming as well. Remember its not about the drugs but about your blood passport data and how it is manipulated, your party consuming mass quantities are coming to a close

 

[hrotha]

The whole "passport" concept is bogus. Over the last three years, my own hematocrit has tested as low as 34.7 and as high as 41 and everywhere in between, in a haphazard pattern. I've not taken any drugs. These things happen.

Your hematocrit would still behave in rational ways, i.e. dropping during stage races and the like, and there are other blood values that are looked at. As long as they moved along with your hematocrit, you might be suspicious and in their watch list, but not charged.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

The whole "passport" concept is bogus. Over the last three years, my own hematocrit has tested as low as 34.7 and as high as 41 and everywhere in between, in a haphazard pattern. I've not taken any drugs. These things happen.

Just as well the Biological Passport doesn't just measure hematocrit, your Tour wins are safe.

 

[ElChingon]

UCI has been notified and they've ack-ed receiving the USADA's intent.

http://www.biciciclismo.com/cas/site/noticias-ficha.asp?id=52352

Game on.

 

[stephens]

Maybe i need to expain why i dont believe in the passport concept. In this three year period, I did not alter my exercise regimes, didn't move to or from altitude, didn't alter diet, etc. And yet my hematocrit levels and various other blood test levels, greatly. There is no obvious cause to the anemia (e.g. Not iron deficiency or any other dietary type cause) and so they just monitor levels every few months and tell me to forget about it otherwise. I would suspect that an athlete that is always doing something different (legal stuff) could also have his values as tested change wildly.

 

[Ferminal]

Maybe i need to expain why i dont believe in the passport concept. In this three year period, I did not alter my exercise regimes, didn't move to or from altitude, didn't alter diet, etc. And yet my hematocrit levels and various other blood test levels, greatly. There is no obvious cause to the anemia (e.g. Not iron deficiency or any other dietary type cause) and so they just monitor levels every few months and tell me to forget about it otherwise. I would suspect that an athlete that is always doing something different (legal stuff) could also have his values as tested change wildly.

I'm sure Pellizotti argued the same.

 

[ElChingon]

Maybe i need to expain why i dont believe in the passport concept. In this three year period, I did not alter my exercise regimes, didn't move to or from altitude, didn't alter diet, etc. And yet my hematocrit levels and various other blood test levels, greatly. There is no obvious cause to the anemia (e.g. Not iron deficiency or any other dietary type cause) and so they just monitor levels every few months and tell me to forget about it otherwise. I would suspect that an athlete that is always doing something different (legal stuff) could also have his values as tested change wildly.

Jot down everything you eat (quantities as well) then take your blood tests, list out any drugs (non-PED or PED's even if by accidental contamination in a supplement which should not have them), list out training plan and actual training, jot those down in a chart then plot it out and get back to us after those three years so we can analyze. Don't leave out discussions with trainers.

 

[Galic Ho]

Maybe i need to expain why i dont believe in the passport concept. In this three year period, I did not alter my exercise regimes, didn't move to or from altitude, didn't alter diet, etc. And yet my hematocrit levels vary greatly. There is no obvious cause to the anemia (e.g. Not iron deficiency or any other dietary type cause) and so they just monitor levels every few months and tell me to forget about it otherwise. I would suspect that an athlete that is always doing something different (legal stuff) could also have his values as tested change wildly.

This was all brought up on this forum, in the Clinic in great detail during 2009. The exact specifics of what the charts dumped here measure, why crit score is only one parameter, what naturally happens over 3 weeks, what didn't happen with LA's perameters and also the big clincher...how the figures were posted online and THEN CHANGED. Just like Wiggins bogus values from 2009. Complete BS about what should happen naturally.

You have no excuse, you were here in May 2009. This came up in August that year. Go back and look for the threads. BioPassport is explained in detail. The passport IMO needs to lower the off-score limit from 115. Should be 105 max. If you knew the science which ironically is basic statistics using z-tables, you'd know that the feds graph everything out and have line graphs for each value. Certain lines intersect, you're doping. Period. End of discussion and you get a sanction. Lots of results for many riders have come close to being flagged. Limits are actually too lenient, despite no other sport using such a sophisticated model.

Also, note LA's base average hematocrit scores. Contrast with 1999. It was 49...how the F#&% does it drop so much? That doesn't happen naturally. This garbage has been obvious for years, do everyone a favour and catch up. There are plenty of old threads touching on these topics in detail.

Thanks for the link Hog...you really are connected. Who else here laughed at the email addresses? Opening people to spam...gotta love it.