The Women's Road Racing Thread 2017

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We must remember that while the pursuit race is ingrained in Nordic sports, there are plenty of races where it's a foregone conclusion too. In the NoCo, if someone like Eric Frenzel wins the jump, he can outski all but one or two guys who'll usually be starting a couple of minutes down, and the only people close to him are easy pickings for him on the skis. In the biathlon, if you get a race like the men in Nové Mesto or the women in Pyeongchang where a dominant champion like Fourcade or Dahlmeier starts with a big lead and hits 19 or 20 targets, it's a cake-walk.

The fact that the riders weren't clear on how to go about the race helped as we got interesting tactical developments with the Boels/ELB group, and commentary pointed out that Guarnier set off like a bat out of hell to limit her teammate's losses and also prevent them having a passenger as if Spratt had joined them, she would have just sat on. Perhaps the pursuit needed to be longer - two laps, perhaps - or the climb on Thursday slightly shorter, so that the time gaps were smaller and there was more tension, but then if it had just ended up in a bunch sprint most people would be disappointed.

Annemiek is such a likable winner. Deignan complaining about the format, and then complaining that Longo Borghini didn't work when outnumbered against better sprinters. Jesus wept.
 
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Glad she won but damn did I hate the sight of people waiting up like that reminded me of why I don't like track cycling, the non racing aspect is stupid.
 
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So despite it looking for a while like Lauren Stephens was going to do it, the first rider to move up the startlist was Amanda Spratt jumping past Gillow on the climb. I think while Gillow looked to be struggling at the bottom of the climb she clearly paced it better than Lauren as she reclaimed her 6th place quite comfortably in the end. Moolman-Pasio climbing from 12th to 9th is the most significant gain it seems, while the fact there was little to race for behind, with the La Course UCI/WWT points having gone on Izoard, meaning that Annemiek also set the best Isolated Pursuit Time, increasing her lead over each chasing rider.

1 1 Annemiek van Vleuten (Orica-AIS) NED 32'52
2 2 Elizabeth Deignan (Boels-Dolmans) GBR +1'52" (IPT +1'09")
3 3 Elisa Longo Borghini (Wiggle-High5) ITA +1'53" (IPT +30")
4 4 Megan Guarnier (Boels-Dolmans) USA +3'00" (IPT +1'32")
5 6 Amanda Spratt (Orica-AIS) AUS +3'26" (IPT +1'42")
6 5 Shara Gillow (FDJ-Nouvelle Aquitaine-Futuroscope '86) AUS +3'48" (IPT +2'15")
7 7 Lauren Stephens (TIBCO-SVB) USA +3'53" (IPT +2'02")
8 9 Katarzyna Niewiadoma (WM3 Energie) POL +4'35" (IPT +1'43")
9 12 Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio (Cervélo-Bigla) RSA +4'35" (IPT +1'19")
10 8 Ana Cristina Sanabria Sánchez (Servetto-Giusta) COL +4'46" (IPT +2'22")
 
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RedheadDane said:
Something I don't understand about this concept:
With today's mountain stage, tomorrow's lumpy-stage, Saturday's ITT, and Sunday's sprint stage it could potentially be a pretty nice compromised version of the TdF.
Just make today's stage a bit longer - I'd say about 100-130 km - and have Saturday's stage be a prober ITT. Sunday's route would be the same as they've used the last couple of years, then they'd just need to find a good route for tomorrow, with the same finish as the men's and as many of the hills as possible.

Yeah this two stage race wasn't a terrible idea, but I like this idea better, or to just make it as the three stages from Thursday to Saturday. If a women's Tour De France is going to truly develop, then imo it also needs to develop it's own identity, and so to finish the event with a pursuit time trial is greatly different to a sprint on the Champs, and much more exciting obviously for those who mainly take an interest in gc.

Not going to happen overnight of course, but if the capacity is there to host shorter women's stages on the same finishing circuits as the men's stages, then why not a three week women's TDF?

One day.

Women's road cycling still seems to be almost in the position that women's distance running was in pre 1983, when they didn't race at the highest level at any distance exceeding 1,500 metres (in case they exhausted themselves, they're only women for Christ sake!). Clearly endurance is no issue for women; the drop off in average speed as you go up through the 1,500 to 5,000 to 10,000 to the marathon has always been comparable to the men. There is no reason why elite female cyclists can't complete multi mountain alpine stages at a high level.

They just need to be given the opportunity.
 
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Saw pictures of Elisa Longo Borghini and Megan Garner in pink (I think) just above Pantani in pink at the church at Madonna del Ghisallo. That was kinda nice to see.
 
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Right, I know this is from the Wikipedia page of a male race, but I just love this tidbit from the page for this year's (men's) Giro:

The race was won by Tom Dumoulin, who became the first Dutch male winner of the Giro.[

Yup. The first Dutch winner of the Giro was Marianne Vos.
And looking at the results since 2010, my guess is that the winner next year will be Dutch as well.
 
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It's a bit stupid because it's referring to a different race.

Regarding 'La Course', I would not be very happy if I was a woman racer. They're made as a sort of nice 'extra', a curiosum, a side-event. They deserve their own, proper stage race in France.
 
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Jagartrott said:
It's a bit stupid because it's referring to a different race.

Regarding 'La Course', I would not be very happy if I was a woman racer. They're made as a sort of nice 'extra', a curiosum, a side-event. They deserve their own, proper stage race in France.
There used to be two, the Grande Boucle Féminine and the Route de France. ASO briefly organized a women's Tour that lasted the full three weeks but it was too early in the development of women's cycling for a race of that nature to take off, so they gave up, which is why there was no race able to be called the Tour de France for women, and being divorced from the same time as the men's Tour meant the race ceased to be covered in any detail which hurt its visibility as well as the kinds of stage hosts, and the Giro, which started shortly before the Tour, was expanding at this time too which made the GBF seem like an add-on, waning in importance compared to the better-supported Italian race. They also didn't help themselves sometimes, for example either 2000 or 2001 there was a route with three mountain stages in the first three days then over a week of flat stages, meaning Somarriba got yellow right near the start then had to do no work to defend it. When the Route started up in the early 2000s the Grande Boucle was suffering, progressively reducing in distance until the last editions, swamped by proximity to the expanding Route on the calendar and after a cancellation in 2004, the final versions were only three or four stages in length, had little or no importance compared to the Tour de l'Aude which was a proper 9-10 day mountainous stage race and was derided as a "Petite Boucle" by its final days.

If the organizers of the Route de France and the GBF could have pooled their resources, we could have had a genuine second GT, especially as the Tour de l'Aude went under after 2010, and its attempted replacement, the Tour de Languedoc-Roussillon, essentially a women's GP Midi-Libre, was launched with grand intentions but logistical failures resulted in the race falling apart literally mid-race, with some hilarious photos posted by Annemiek van Vleuten of her journey through despondence and frustration at the living and eating arrangements laid on.

The fact the Route de France happens a week after Le Tour, starts near Paris and travels mainly through north-central France with usually a couple of serious mountain stages either in the northern Massif Central or, more commonly in recent years, the Vosges - recent winners include Evelyn Stevens in 2012, Claudia Lichtenberg in 2014 and Elisa Longo Borghini, so you can see there's climbing pedigree there, and MTFs at places like La Planche des Belles Filles and climbs like Le Markstein, La Loge des Gardes, the Col du Bramont and so on - meant that realistically it would have been ideal to benefit from ASO's interest - I always thought if they brought it forward one week they could have melded the Route de France to the Champs Elysées version of La Course to create an eight day stage race that would be a legitimate contender, in time, to the Giro Rosa. Travel from Île-de-France to the Jura, Vosges or Massif Central each year, hell you could make it to the Alps comfortably for a final weekend of mountain stages, but piggybacking the fact that people want to follow some cycling at that time of year, use the fact that it starts with the Champs-Elysées sprint in La Course to push for viewers to continue to follow the race now that the men's race is following and basically prop up the 7-day Route de France with ASO's backing. Even better, let the women have a prologue up and down the Champs so that the racing is relevant to the overall outcome, then simply remove the start ramp while the men are riding through the champagne section of their stage! I thought it would have been perfect, and what's more, easier than building up a race from scratch as they're seemingly wanting to do. And the overlapping-with-the-end-of-the-Tour timeslot wouldn't entail encroaching too much on other races, as if they expand into the final week of the Tour, then the Thüringen Rundfahrt and BeNe Tour will be squeezed out as they're not WWT and allowed to suffer without the majority of marketable names, or riders will be forced to do a three week workload of Giro-Thüringen or BeNe-Tour.

Instead, the Route was hurt significantly by being up against the Olympics last year and they couldn't afford to run the race this year, and ASO continue to pat themselves on the back for giving the women an opportunity to race in front of a crowd while simultaneously forgetting how to turn cameras on at Flèche Wallonne and allowing yet another French stage race to die under their noses. Surely they can see from the Izoard the fact that they can provide good racing from the women. With the WWT and the addition of more stage races, there's a golden opportunity to provide something better. I appreciate that ASO have tried something different, and it's been good fun, and they've tried something better than they offered the women in the last few years too. I hope we see more genuine mountain stages as the WWT has been lacking balance; the new version of La Course and adding the Emakumeen Bira to the WWT calendar is an excellent step in the right direction in that respect (plus following a disappointing GC battle and actual GC candidates specifically requesting more selective stages, I'd anticipate that the 2017 Giro course will become a bit of an anomaly) I just wonder why they want to build something up from scratch so slowly when, for not a massive amount more, they could have just shored up what was already in place and used their trademarks and marketing weight to improve its visibility without as much effort required.
 
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From one of the more interesting concepts on the WWT to one of the least - the Prudential RideLondon Classique, one of the most misleadingly named races on the calendar. It's not a Classic, you get to see next to nothing of London in it, and its only connection to French is that it's along the same lines as the old Champs Elysées version of La Course; while the men get to do the interesting parcours patterned after the Olympic Road Race, the women get to ride a crit for a couple of hours - compare the challenging route of the men's race with the 5,5km circuit the women take on 12 times for a punishing overall distance of 66km.

This is my least favourite WWT event, for a multitude of reasons, ranging from the fact that a much better alternative would be SO EASY to produce bearing in mind that amateur and hobby women can ride the full course but the pros can't, to the fact that racing is likely to be sterile and straightforward, because it's a pan flat featureless crit, yet it is going to get better broadcast coverage than most of the tougher races like Flèche and the Giro, perpetuating the myth of women's cycling being boring, to the fact that the women's and men's races both being broadcast means they can be directly compared, yet the courses and the races are unequal, with the men having much more opportunity to produce entertaining racing than the women on the courses provided, to the fact that the circuit isn't even as interesting in terms of history and culture as the comparable stage in the Women's Tour (notwithstanding that this now means that the 2017 WWT includes not one but TWO totally flat sub-70km circuit races in London).

It's not ALL bad, though; as mentioned above, we will get a decent amount of coverage broadcast of it, with the BBC responsible so it should be at least a decent quality broadcast too. And the crowds ought to be very good owing to the urban location, it being very accessible and the British loving turning out a crowd for a bike race at the moment, regardless of who's going to be there - they've shown a lot of enthusiasm for the Women's Tour. That hasn't always been replicated in RideLondon but the crowds should still be decent. And the other positive is that, given it's highly likely to end in a sprint, we really have a world class sprinting field lining up, with the majority of the grimpeuses resting up after La Course knowing this isn't one for them - so no Annemiek, no Elisa, no Anna, no Kasia, no Megan, no Claudia (although the organizers had hoped Kasia would race following her win in the Women's Tour, her winning a comparatively flat-to-rolling race like that was a bit of an anomaly due to the time gap she was given on the first day, and this is totally not her kind of race), but as she's short on race days after withdrawing from the Giro early, Ash Moolman-Pasio is rolling into town to help Lotta Lepistö's quest for victory, especially important as Lisa Klein is sick and Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig is resting, this having been a very long season for her.

The sprint field is mighty, as you might expect. Last year's podium is here in full, led by Cylance's Kirsten Wild, who won the first WWT edition of the race last season and is a monster power sprinter well suited to this kind of course. Nina Kessler, second last year, is here with her new team, Hitec Products, where she moved to replace Wild at the end of last season. Sunweb had Leah Kirchmann in 3rd place last season, though I suspect there may be more interest in Coryn Rivera's chances for them this year, since the American cut her teeth on short crits of this kind in the States, and with Anna, Annemiek, Kasia and Elisa all absent, there's the chance for some free points to improve her position in the WWT overall standings here. Canyon have a couple of options; Barbara Guarischi won this race in 2015, but like Sunweb they may be favouring another rider; Hannah Barnes has had a hell of a season, is really coming into her own, won a Giro stage, is on home roads and, crucially, was 2nd in the equivalent stage in the Women's Tour earlier in the season. That stage was won by Belgian champion Jolien d'Hoore (she wasn't Belgian champion then but is now) who is also one of the absolute favourites, as part of a strong Wiggle team that also includes Bronzini and Edmondson, both of whom have a decent turn of speed if required too. Bronzini isn't the only Italian former World Champion lining up; Alé's sprint charge will be led by Marta Bastianelli (Guderzo's also starting, but less likely to be relevant to the results sheet in a sprinter's race). Lotta Lepistö leads a reduced Cervélo team and was on the podium of the World Championships, so she has more than enough credibility as a sprinter to worry the others. And Orica have Sarah Roy, who has a very fast finish but also surprised us with a breakaway win in the Women's Tour, so she has fond memories of racing in Britain this season. Annalisa Cucinotta and Maria Giulia Confalonieri for Lensworld could be dark horses; the former was on the podium here in 2015. Another potential outsider is Roxane Fournier, who has racked up a number of placements this season for FDJ. Katie Archibald for WNT is on home roads and was very racy in the intermediates in the Women's Tour; it seems at this point in her career that longer races are grinding her down but that won't be a problem in a 66km race, and she is very quick. Smaller team home fires are also kept burning by Alice Barnes, who is on great form after doing a number on none other than Merckx in the BeNe Tour and will surely relish the chance to rekindle the Mega Powers Collide! sibling rivalry with Hannah here.

Strangely, some of the strongest teams are those without a front-line sprinter. Boels-Dolmans, for example; the most obvious "this rider is a sprinter" case on their race roster is Jip van den Bos, but she's also their least experienced rider and just coming back from a broken arm. Chantal Blaak, Amy Pieters and Christine Majerus are all riders who can get a solid result if they turn their hand to a sprint, however, while the absence of Lizzie Deignan does mean they don't have an obvious leader for the race, it means we might get the team trying to break the race up to get rid of some of the more one-trick-pony sprinters, and it means we might hopefully get some more objective commentary. Also WM3 don't have a front-line sprinter; Riejanne Markus has shown some pace this season but needs a tougher selection I feel and oh god who am I kidding they have Marianne Vos who is Marianne Vos and that's all you need really.
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
Strangely, some of the strongest teams are those without a front-line sprinter. Boels-Dolmans, for example; the most obvious "this rider is a sprinter" case on their race roster is Jip van den Bos, but she's also their least experienced rider and just coming back from a broken arm. Chantal Blaak, Amy Pieters and Christine Majerus are all riders who can get a solid result if they turn their hand to a sprint, however, while the absence of Lizzie Deignan does mean they don't have an obvious leader for the race, it means we might get the team trying to break the race up to get rid of some of the more one-trick-pony sprinters, and it means we might hopefully get some more objective commentary.
Dideriksen not riding? Won the sprint in Qatar.
 
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I have to confess I started watching the BBC coverage and actually fell asleep on the sofa on the second last lap and missed the finish. They could do do much better with a proper course. Anyway, just caught up and it was indeed a cracking sprint from Rivera.
 
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She might be one of the big stars of the World Tour now, but as LS said beforehand she made her name smashing everyone in the US crits.
 
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Andy262 said:
I have to confess I started watching the BBC coverage and actually fell asleep on the sofa on the second last lap and missed the finish. They could do do much better with a proper course. Anyway, just caught up and it was indeed a cracking sprint from Rivera.

Aside from that, there was also the same problem as every year in this race: No distance indicators.
It was hard to know if they were 10k from the finish or in the final km.
 
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Very strong top 10, and biggest surprise probably that it was Brennauer sprinting for Canyon. Excellent win for Coryn which will see her gain quite a bit in the WWT overall ranking contention with the top 4 all absent. She's gone rocketing past ELB and is now quite close to Annemiek and Kasia's totals, with a couple of flatter races to come that will favour her more than the more climbing-oriented riders before Plouay.
 
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Breaking news from Twitter (from Paweł Gadzała via Peter van den Veen) is that Katarzyna Niewiadoma will ride for Canyon-SRAM next season - a tough blow for WM3 who have had to rely on her for the vast majority of their points following Vos' injuries, but if PFP does return to the road full-time it does give them a much stronger climbing corps, as well as with Amialiusik to return from injury, potentially providing the Pole with a stronger mountain support than she has had on many occasions in the hillier races this year and Cecchini to play some tactical games with in the hilly races. Obviously this is only the start of the transfer merry-go-round, it's not like those teams are all going to be unchanged, but don't tell me you don't want to see what the all-class Canyon national kits could do if Kasia regains her Polish champion's jersey next season...and with WM3 having committed long-term stepping up the funding for the 2nd year, it will be interesting to see how Marianne and the team go about replacing her. There are inevitably going to be riders being crowded out at teams like Boels, and look what the signing of Ellen van Dijk has done for Sunweb - it'll be harder for Marianne to 'get the band back together' now so many have gone on to greater success since moving on, but I don't see that Thalita wouldn't be viable, she was fed up of being domestique du jour in a team of superstars, but she'd get a lot of opportunities in WM3 now.
 
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I'm shocked Niewiadoma would leave. I expected WM3 were grooming her to lead the team solo long term.
I was already shocked there was talk that she could leave.

As for Boels, the rumor is a big name is leaving. My bet is Guarnier.
 
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I thought as much as well, although there was rumour Boels were interested as well which would have just been ridiculous. Suggests a couple of things - firstly that there might be some sizable name or another leaving Canyon in order for them to have sufficient cap space to fit in a Niewiadoma (not heard anything about increased funding for them); secondly that WM3 may have a frontline sprinter or more of a Classics bent to their transfer targets, looking to shore up in this direction since they've got more depth on that front. Either that or they're in line for a major player to try to recover their losses, because Kasia accounts for the vast majority of the team's WWT points, although in fairness if they were racing for their own goals then Markus and Koster at least could possibly have scored plenty more than they have.
 
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Massive loss for WM3 but you can see why Kasia would leave she was arguably the strongest rider in Ardennes week but just never had any support. If only Vos had been fit, the combo would have been amazing (as we started to see in the Women's Tour).

Do I remember reading that the funding of Orica-Scott is not clear for 2018? I can't imagine Australia going without some form of a women's team, but could be a move on the cards for AvV?