The Women's Road Racing Thread 2017

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Jonhard said:
Oops. I did mean to include KG but she fell out of my head in the course of typing it... quite right, she should be there. I'd have given her a 3* rating as someone with a decent medal chance (all pretty arbitrary)... in fact I will edit her in now.

Didn't know about the illness.

AvV v EvD is a close call and it's been unwise to bet against Annemiek this year, so you could well be right.

It depends on the climb - Is it the same as in the men's ITT ? If so makes it more challenging for Van Dijk.

It isn't the same, it's shorter and not as hard, just 1.4km at 7%. The men have 3.4km at 9%.

I read Annemiek wishing they were doing that course which would suit her better, and this is most of the reason I think it might be Ellen's year again. She also has some Rio demons to excise.

Map and profile:

https://bergen2017.no/courses/time-trial/elite-women/

Weather looks pretty good at this stage - not windy - but patchy rain might be a factor. Not sure, but I think start times are random.
 
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I think Ellen has got to be among the favourites, but a course which includes quite a bit of rolling terrain will be ideal for Annemiek. Certainly I would make the latter favourite with the longer climb that the men do, but not sure here. I don't think I could hold it against either if they did it. Also miffed at the climb not being as big will be ELB and Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio, both of whom could be pretty decent here but not as likely to threaten the medals as were there to be that longer, more sustained climb. And that's to say nothing of Anna van der Breggen, of course, who's the WWT overall winner, won the Giro and won a bronze medal in the ITT at Rio.

With women's cycling, though, you always have to beware the mayfly in the ITT, because there are so few top level TTs of this length, and so we have seen in recent years a development where riders who are specialists in the chrono lay low all season while strong TT riding all-rounders like Anna VDB and Elisa, and major team-based riders with strong TT specialization, like van Dijk and Brennauer, tire themselves out riding a full season, and capitalize on strong form in the big ticket events. As a result guessing where riders like Neben and Zabelinskaya will be is a tougher ask, because they could arrive in lightning form and snap up the medals. The same goes for Villumsen but to a lesser extent as since she signed for Virtú she's been seen in a more conventional European calendar more often than in recent years. I'd also say that Lauren Stephens could be a dark horse for an outside shot at a medal, having been excellent against the clock all season long.
 
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I wondered about Stephens. The start times for the ITT are interesting-slash-odd - Stephens and AvdB go off 1 and 2, 80 minutes before Amber Neben at the end, and an hour before the (other) major contenders who are all grouped at the end. If we get weather changes, the could favour Anna very considerably. Or the opposite of course.

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yaco said:
Jon - One glaring omission from your list of contenders for the women's elite TTT in Garfoot of Australia - Third last year only 8 seconds from the winner - I had her on the second line but not so confident now as the news is she's battling illness

what kind of illness? I couldn't find anything about it unfortunately
 
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I have a strong feeling about Annemiek for both races. She's been extremely selective about her program for the second half of the season and also didn't do the TTT.

Exciting!
 
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Footage is horrible so far. There are no motor cameras at all

I think this is better than following the same riders kilometre after kilometre.

That is silly hyperbole. Some consistency is much appreciated. The director just changes from immobile camera to immobile camera. I like to watch a cyclist ride, and it's normal that we get some camera footage that follows a rider, even just for a minute. That to me is the beauty of cycling, swithching of angle and/or camera every 5 seconds is driving me nuts.
 
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Close race between vd Breggen en vd Vleuten, the latter is riding in rain now. Hope she can still take it.
 
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matter said:
That is silly hyperbole. Some consistency is much appreciated. The director just changes from immobile camera to immobile camera. I like to watch a cyclist ride, and it's normal that we get some camera footage that follows a rider, even just for a minute. That to me is the beauty of cycling, swithching of angle and/or camera every 5 seconds is driving me nuts.

Maybe I'm used to having no mobile cameras in cross country skiing. But the director actually shows riders coming to finish and intermediates instead of just following few riders who he has decided to put cameras to follow and forgetting the intermediates totally, like they often do in GTs.
 
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matter said:
Footage is horrible so far. There are no motor cameras at all
Dunno how you define footage, maybe it was "horrible" but on the the race production id say the contrary - top notch work!!
 
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1 Annemiek Van Vleuten (Netherlands) 28:50.3
2 Anna Van Der Breggen (Netherlands) 29:02.5
3 Katrin Garfoot (Australia) 29:09.3
4 Chloe Dygert (United States) 29:28.3
5 Ellen Van Dijk (Netherlands) 29:42.4
6 Linda Villumsen (New Zealand) 29:46.1
7 Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio (South Africa) 30:08.9
8 Lauren Stephens (United States) 30:10.2
9 Hannah Barnes (Great Britain) 30:13.8
10 Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig (Denmark) 30:24.4

So much for my EVD prediction! Reckon AvdB may have benefited from the early start.

Good effort Garfoot, and how much more to come from Dygert?
 
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Jonhard said:
1 Annemiek Van Vleuten (Netherlands) 28:50.3
2 Anna Van Der Breggen (Netherlands) 29:02.5
3 Katrin Garfoot (Australia) 29:09.3
4 Chloe Dygert (United States) 29:28.3
5 Ellen Van Dijk (Netherlands) 29:42.4
6 Linda Villumsen (New Zealand) 29:46.1
7 Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio (South Africa) 30:08.9
8 Lauren Stephens (United States) 30:10.2
9 Hannah Barnes (Great Britain) 30:13.8
10 Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig (Denmark) 30:24.4

So much for my EVD prediction! Reckon AvdB may have benefited from the early start.

Good effort Garfoot, and how much more to come from Dygert?

Agree the late start probably cost Garfoot the silver medal - Question that needs to be asked - Why didn't Orica enter a team for the women's TTT ? - A podium was in the offing - Garfoot did a bit better than expected - AVV has been on another level in 2017 with her TTing,especially in lumpy type TT's.
 
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yaco said:
Jonhard said:
1 Annemiek Van Vleuten (Netherlands) 28:50.3
2 Anna Van Der Breggen (Netherlands) 29:02.5
3 Katrin Garfoot (Australia) 29:09.3
4 Chloe Dygert (United States) 29:28.3
5 Ellen Van Dijk (Netherlands) 29:42.4
6 Linda Villumsen (New Zealand) 29:46.1
7 Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio (South Africa) 30:08.9
8 Lauren Stephens (United States) 30:10.2
9 Hannah Barnes (Great Britain) 30:13.8
10 Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig (Denmark) 30:24.4

So much for my EVD prediction! Reckon AvdB may have benefited from the early start.

Good effort Garfoot, and how much more to come from Dygert?

Agree the late start probably cost Garfoot the silver medal - Question that needs to be asked - Why didn't Orica enter a team for the women's TTT ? - A podium was in the offing - Garfoot did a bit better than expected - AVV has been on another level in 2017 with her TTing,especially in lumpy type TT's.

Frankly disagree re Orica women's TTT. They didn't enter a TTT at Vargarda where there were actually WWT points on the line so I don't think this decision was made "in isolation". AVV & Garfoot would most likely have had to carry any TTT on their backs and in all honesty, the best I could see them finishing would have been 4th. Better PR for the team with a World Champion in ITT plus bronze than a bronze in TTT. Another year, another course, form of riders may be different .... a different conclusion may be arrived at.
 
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dirkprovin said:
yaco said:
Jonhard said:
1 Annemiek Van Vleuten (Netherlands) 28:50.3
2 Anna Van Der Breggen (Netherlands) 29:02.5
3 Katrin Garfoot (Australia) 29:09.3
4 Chloe Dygert (United States) 29:28.3
5 Ellen Van Dijk (Netherlands) 29:42.4
6 Linda Villumsen (New Zealand) 29:46.1
7 Ashleigh Moolman-Pasio (South Africa) 30:08.9
8 Lauren Stephens (United States) 30:10.2
9 Hannah Barnes (Great Britain) 30:13.8
10 Cecilie Uttrup Ludwig (Denmark) 30:24.4

So much for my EVD prediction! Reckon AvdB may have benefited from the early start.

Good effort Garfoot, and how much more to come from Dygert?

Agree the late start probably cost Garfoot the silver medal - Question that needs to be asked - Why didn't Orica enter a team for the women's TTT ? - A podium was in the offing - Garfoot did a bit better than expected - AVV has been on another level in 2017 with her TTing,especially in lumpy type TT's.

Frankly disagree re Orica women's TTT. They didn't enter a TTT at Vargarda where there were actually WWT points on the line so I don't think this decision was made "in isolation". AVV & Garfoot would most likely have had to carry any TTT on their backs and in all honesty, the best I could see them finishing would have been 4th. Better PR for the team with a World Champion in ITT plus bronze than a bronze in TTT. Another year, another course, form of riders may be different .... a different conclusion may be arrived at.

Definitely could have got a podium on that course - Sunweb in both the men's and women's set the template in team selection for the TTT - I wonder why Orica had no representation when most of their team was already in Norway.
 
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World class podium there, as you'd want from a World Championships, and Annemiek does manage that one truly big win that she had been arguably without - I had feared after the Rio near-miss in the most dramatic of circumstances that she was destined to the same fate as Emma Johansson. She's had a truly great season and this is a great way to cap it even before the Road Race. It was also overall a triumph for the World Tour regulars, hopefully signifying an end to the mayfly era. Although Annemiek wasn't quite so destructive today as she was in the Giro Rosa chrono... anyway, a great 1-2 for the Dutch, even if the early start benefited van der Breggen as against Garfoot who has rode a more selective calendar to target these Worlds. Lisa Brennauer was also offered the rain as an explanation for comparative underperformance, but she refused it on the basis that Garfoot raced in suboptimal conditions late in the day too, and was simply better on the day. Even if Kristin Armstrong may be retired (although will she try to do her return-from-retirement trick a third time for the Olympics? I don't think she will and expect she won't, but given her favourable position with her coach in the selection committee and how well it has worked on prior occasions, piggybacking the points scored by her team for the invites she needs to get up to race speed, and with the team having been renamed Twenty20, never say never) and Neben is also into her 40s, with the opportunities for time trialists in the US calendar compared to the rest of the world, they do keep churning out the talents. Stephens was good as expected, they've got some other big talents in the making, but today we should be talking about Chloe Dygert. Just 20 years old, she's already a historic talent on the boards, and now converting it to the road with some serious power. She's done very little road racing - just the Tour of California last year, primarily to help Armstrong place well through the TTT due to a really ridiculous route, and the Aussie mini-season in January this year, and then some standalone TTs - so the transferability of her skills against the clock to racing in a pack will be the biggest question mark about her, but she's laid to rest the ghosts of Doha, where the Twenty16 team was stripped down to the minimum number of riders when Chloe exploded spectacularly in a combination of exhaustion, dehydration and vomit in the final kilometre. Another year on, and the TTT is of little relevance to her, when she can be more than competitive in the individual event.

Another result to point to is the continued development of Hannah Barnes, who is significantly more versatile than you would have said at the start of the season. She's got over a lot more obstacles than you'd have anticipated en route to her victories and top World Tour placements this season, and she then caps it with a top 10 in the Worlds TT, despite a course you wouldn't have thought favourable to her. Received wisdom has suggested that Alice is the more gifted of the Barnes girls, but Hannah is doing her utmost to prove that perception wrong... and if it remains right, if Hannah continues to perform like this, look out world because Alice is headed straight to the top. Although she'll have to go some to beat the best of her 1995 contemporaries, since Cille continued her year of greatness with a Worlds top 10 too...
 
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Libertine Seguros said:
World class podium there, as you'd want from a World Championships, and Annemiek does manage that one truly big win that she had been arguably without - I had feared after the Rio near-miss in the most dramatic of circumstances that she was destined to the same fate as Emma Johansson. She's had a truly great season and this is a great way to cap it even before the Road Race. It was also overall a triumph for the World Tour regulars, hopefully signifying an end to the mayfly era. Although Annemiek wasn't quite so destructive today as she was in the Giro Rosa chrono... anyway, a great 1-2 for the Dutch, even if the early start benefited van der Breggen as against Garfoot who has rode a more selective calendar to target these Worlds. Lisa Brennauer was also offered the rain as an explanation for comparative underperformance, but she refused it on the basis that Garfoot raced in suboptimal conditions late in the day too, and was simply better on the day. Even if Kristin Armstrong may be retired (although will she try to do her return-from-retirement trick a third time for the Olympics? I don't think she will and expect she won't, but given her favourable position with her coach in the selection committee and how well it has worked on prior occasions, piggybacking the points scored by her team for the invites she needs to get up to race speed, and with the team having been renamed Twenty20, never say never) and Neben is also into her 40s, with the opportunities for time trialists in the US calendar compared to the rest of the world, they do keep churning out the talents. Stephens was good as expected, they've got some other big talents in the making, but today we should be talking about Chloe Dygert. Just 20 years old, she's already a historic talent on the boards, and now converting it to the road with some serious power. She's done very little road racing - just the Tour of California last year, primarily to help Armstrong place well through the TTT due to a really ridiculous route, and the Aussie mini-season in January this year, and then some standalone TTs - so the transferability of her skills against the clock to racing in a pack will be the biggest question mark about her, but she's laid to rest the ghosts of Doha, where the Twenty16 team was stripped down to the minimum number of riders when Chloe exploded spectacularly in a combination of exhaustion, dehydration and vomit in the final kilometre. Another year on, and the TTT is of little relevance to her, when she can be more than competitive in the individual event.

Another result to point to is the continued development of Hannah Barnes, who is significantly more versatile than you would have said at the start of the season. She's got over a lot more obstacles than you'd have anticipated en route to her victories and top World Tour placements this season, and she then caps it with a top 10 in the Worlds TT, despite a course you wouldn't have thought favourable to her. Received wisdom has suggested that Alice is the more gifted of the Barnes girls, but Hannah is doing her utmost to prove that perception wrong... and if it remains right, if Hannah continues to perform like this, look out world because Alice is headed straight to the top. Although she'll have to go some to beat the best of her 1995 contemporaries, since Cille continued her year of greatness with a Worlds top 10 too...

A very succint and fair summation; nothing that I would care to disagree with.

yaco said:
Definitely could have got a podium on that course - Sunweb in both the men's and women's set the template in team selection for the TTT - I wonder why Orica had no representation when most of their team was already in Norway.

Sorry but I respectfully still disagree. I think the decision was made months ago NOT to field a TTT and it was made with full consulation of the riders ....... and what would best serve both AVV & Garfoot. The only TTT for the Orica women this season was at the Giro where they finished 3rd but that really should not be any guide given the very different lineups.

I can justify using your peak talent in a Worlds TTT when there is a REALLY strong medal chance but there was no way you could state that was the case for Orica women. Even with AVV & Garfoot on-board, they would not be within the same post code as Sunweb or Boels Dolmans. At best they MAY have been scrapping for a bronze with Cervelo; the operative word being "may" ..... and then you need to weigh up the cost/benefit analysis of what AVV & Garfoot would expend "carrying" that TTT around and what it would cost them in the ITT.

I think they made the right decision and they now have a reigning World ITT Champion plus the bronze medallist. How the RR will play out is unknowable at this point but I think even at this point, they will take this ahead of a "perhaps" bronze in the TTT ..... and maybe a minor medal in the ITT. In fact, I'm almost certain they'll "take" AVV's words to the intl cycling press where she gave extensive praise to her team; in particular the work they have down with her on her TT (and how different it has been to previous teams) & how the team atmosphere has allowed her to grow as a rider.

Next season, the situation may be different and therefore a different "call" may be appropriate.
 
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You can tell the women don't do many immediate post-race interviews, they almost always forget not to curse :lol:

Aside from the medallists, hugely impressive from Dygert
 
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Very happy for Annemiek :)
PS: Since I don't follow women's races that much, do you people think Lepistö may have a chance in the Road Race?
She has become much more versatile in the last 1-2 years but still, imo the women's races are done much more aggressively and thus she can be dropped by an elite group of 10-15 or so consisting the likes of Vos, Armitstead, PFP etc.
 
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GuyIncognito said:
You can tell the women don't do many immediate post-race interviews, they almost always forget not to curse :lol:

Aside from the medallists, hugely impressive from Dygert

Cecilie Uttrup is pretty amazing in that regard. At an interview after one of the U23 races at the European Championships she managed to drop the f-bomb, I think, four or five times in a few minutes.

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