There is no way Cancellera is Clean!

[wattage]

I remember in 2008 Paris-Roubaix Cancellara couldn't drop Boonen, now 2010 and 2011 he's totally different rider, having the awesome power that nobody can match. Somethings going on.

Leopard must be the dirtiest team in the peloton.

I like Fabian, but I'm not buying his performances as clean. No way.

 

[barn yard]

I think something is fishy when you see the way he rode in the E3. He rode from the 3rd group on the road to the second and then without even waiting he rode past most of them and continued to the first group (admittedly with some help from O'Grady who dropped from the first group). He did a turn on the front of various groups for about 10 kms before dropping everyone and putting about 30 seconds on th front group in about 2-3 kms.

hey this sounds kind of familiar

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IS_dsFNxba8

 

[peloton]

Didn't AC beat him in a Tour TT - a Tour where he didn't test positive? On a flat course?

Yes, but for what it's worth, the TT was far from flat...

 

[dolophonic]

I remember in 2008 Paris-Roubaix Cancellara couldn't drop Boonen, now 2010 and 2011 he's totally different rider, having the awesome power that nobody can match. Somethings going on.

Leopard must be the dirtiest team in the peloton.

I like Fabian, but I'm not buying his performances as clean. No way.

+1 a little too much.

 

[roundabout]

Yes, but for what it's worth, the TT was far from flat...

Contador was faster on the flat before the (single) climb so your observation is not worth much...

 

[Lanark]

I remember in 2008 Paris-Roubaix Cancellara couldn't drop Boonen, now 2010 and 2011 he's totally different rider, having the awesome power that nobody can match. Somethings going on.

Leopard must be the dirtiest team in the peloton.

I like Fabian, but I'm not buying his performances as clean. No way.

What's going on is that in 2008 he peaked too early, he was in similair form he has now in the Starde Bianchi, Tirreno, Milano - Sanremo period. By the time the cobbled classics came, he was past his best shape.

 

[Captain_Cavman]

And he changed bike...

I'm squarely on the fence on this one. But didn't he change bike before the destructive attack? Unlike last year.

Unless he managed to change bike again, the bike he attacked on was the one that was available for scrutiny at the finish.

 

[goggalor]

He didn't change bikes after his attacks last year either, did he?

 

[Indurain]

Clean or not, I'm entertained. If everyone became clean and as a result cycling became boring to watch (I hope this doesn't happen), I'd probably stop watching it. If the clean cyclist can't compete because of the dopers then they have some decisions to make. To either dope too or find another career or to take joy in winning at the lower levels. Don't think they can change it longterm. Temporarily perhaps.

Winning feels great no matter what level it is at. If I had a choice of always being a domestique on a big team, working my **** off for a team leader and because I won't dope never given the opportunity to ride for myself, or ride a category down and being competitive, but on lower pay, I'd pick the lower division without hesitation.

Why ride above your level for some guy that will barely remember your name 20yrs down the road.

 

[spalco]

Personally, I have probably a more negative opinion about the commonness of doping in pro cycling than almost anybody, but I think it's a bit disgusting to call out a specific rider like that who's never tested positive (as far as I know) only because he's very good; same with the Colombians thread.

Sure, logic says neither Cancellara nor the better Colombians are clean, but until there's some concrete evidence to support this I'm kind of uncomfortable with that sort of finger-pointing (which took some surreal turns last year with Cancellara's supposed electro-bike anyway).

 

[rata de sentina]

Contador was faster on the flat before the (single) climb so your observation is not worth much...

It's worth a lot more than selecting section of a longer race where riders may have a different tactical approach to the overall race and then using this as a measure of their relative capabilities. For example, FC was only 5th fastest over the flat section you are referring to. Furthermore Evans flew up the climb with the fastest time and I don't think that anyone is claiming he is a better climber than AC, AS and the rest. The climb alters tha tactics of the race and you can't isolate sections away from it.

 

[Cimber]

Clean or not, I'm entertained.

I dont think he is doped but I am not entertained. I would be more entertained if tings were a little more equal. I would be more entertained if their was a chance he would be caught after he gets a gap. I am not entertained when he attacks, gets a gap and you just know: thats it. I hope Boonen and Hushovd etc can do something extraordinary in RVV and Roubaix so it wont be a Cancellara show

 

[goggalor]

I'm not entertained either. There's nothing about his performances that seem real. It's like watching a Michael Bay movie.

 

[peloton]

Contador was faster on the flat before the (single) climb so your observation is not worth much...

Fabian flew the downhill faster than anyone...

It's worth a lot more than selecting section of a longer race where riders may have a different tactical approach to the overall race and then using this as a measure of their relative capabilities. For example, FC was only 5th fastest over the flat section you are referring to. Furthermore Evans flew up the climb with the fastest time and I don't think that anyone is claiming he is a better climber than AC, AS and the rest. The climb alters tha tactics of the race and you can't isolate sections away from it.

+1

 

[roundabout]

It's worth a lot more than selecting section of a longer race where riders may have a different tactical approach to the overall race and then using this as a measure of their relative capabilities. For example, FC was only 5th fastest over the flat section you are referring to. Furthermore Evans flew up the climb with the fastest time and I don't think that anyone is claiming he is a better climber than AC, AS and the rest. The climb alters tha tactics of the race and you can't isolate sections away from it.

Uhm, yeah, it just shows that Contador didn't even have to be the fastest uphill to win on the course where 5/6 of it in theory favored Cancellara. Thanks for making my point even clearer.

 

[roundabout]

Fabian flew the downhill faster than anyone...

Isn't your whole "point" that having a climb helped Contador and now you suddenly realized that Cancellara flew on the downhill?

 

[c&cfan]

Isn't your whole "point" that having a climb helped Contador and now you suddenly realized that Cancellara flew on the downhill?

are you trolling someone?lol

contador picks the tour as his ultimate goal. canc doesnt. he is there to help.

that TT was AFTER 3 weeks of a hard tour. contador's main strenght is his recovery time.

when contador does that to canc at the worlds TT for example, then you may have reason.

see, this is my problem with canc and the last tour was just another proof. i mean, why leopard? if he was in a smaller team, as the teamleader (like gilbert for example), he could target everything he wanted. and even when picking hard in april and then for the worlds, he, with his own power and unmatched talent in classics and TT, plus a team just for him, could win 2 stages eatch tour plus the TTs.

doing a tour without having to kill yourself for the andy\frank would made this possible.

 

[lean mean &green]

this thread is hilarious. people are actually comparing FC and AC to see if one of them is clean?!?!

then fans rush in on both sides to defend each rider with mostly emotional reasoning. for the first time in my life i'm tempted to use the acronym "LOL" but i'll refrain since i'm not a tween girl.

 

[Oldman]

this thread is hilarious. people are actually comparing FC and AC to see if one of them is clean?!?!

then fans rush in on both sides to defend each rider with mostly emotional reasoning. for the first time in my life i'm tempted to use the acronym "LOL" but i'll refrain since i'm not a tween girl.

Thanks for the restraint and I share the amusement. The answer at this point is: only one has been caught, making the other one relatively cleaner.

 

[The Gnome]

Clean or not, I'm entertained. If everyone became clean and as a result cycling became boring to watch (I hope this doesn't happen), I'd probably stop watching it. If the clean cyclist can't compete because of the dopers then they have some decisions to make. To either dope too or find another career or to take joy in winning at the lower levels. Don't think they can change it longterm. Temporarily perhaps.

Winning feels great no matter what level it is at. If I had a choice of always being a domestique on a big team, working my **** off for a team leader and because I won't dope never given the opportunity to ride for myself, or ride a category down and being competitive, but on lower pay, I'd pick the lower division without hesitation.

Why ride above your level for some guy that will barely remember your name 20yrs down the road.

so you would stop watching it when guys were NOT doped and it got boring? That is amazing and I would suggest you watch what is called the WWF... the world wrestling federation...or how about nascar and better oil commercials...things have really come full circle via the circle jerk on this site about doping...strongarm really got to you boys eh? I think alot of folks are doping, sure...but when you are suspect of every single winner with NO evidence (fabian C.) just give up the dope yourself and go to another sport where you can find pure doping...you are basically saying you are addicted to addicts...

 

[Semper Fidelis]

this thread is hilarious. people are actually comparing FC and AC to see if one of them is clean?!?!

then fans rush in on both sides to defend each rider with mostly emotional reasoning. for the first time in my life i'm tempted to use the acronym "LOL" but i'll refrain since i'm not a tween girl.

That is correct. I think it is freaking hilarious to see this. FC and AC comparisons.

 

[D-Queued]

That is correct. I think it is freaking hilarious to see this. FC and AC comparisons.

Maybe we could drop them both from the Tower of Pisa to see if gravity has any affect.

Dave.

 

[Moose McKnuckles]

AC vs. FC in a cleanliness comparison? Seriously, this is obscenely stupid. It's like arguing which is more wet, warm water or cold water.

 

[Granville57]

AC vs. FC in a cleanliness comparison? Seriously, this is obscenely stupid. It's like arguing which is more wet, warm water or cold water.

Perhaps it's time for a thread merge:

Bong - cold or warm water?

I am buying a glass water bong, but I was wondering which water temperature you use for the water? Also, I might as well ask here, too.... is there any point in drinking the water?

 

[Granville57]

One last thing on this.
Clean or dirty, Spartacus has been blowing doors off the peloton for years now.
It's simply awesome to watch.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WdTHnYIAGPs
Make sure you make it to the 4:15 mark.
[Edit] Dammit! I just realized they took down one of the best cycling montages on Youtube.

I can't imagine that winning in any other fashion would be more fun.
I'm so sick and tired of watching a small group of breakaway riders start squabbling with each other, and attacking too far out, only to blow an entire day's work by getting caught within the final K. Fabian just puts his head down and relies on no one but himself in the final kilometers.