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Alexandre B. said:
Tonton said:
The proof is in the pudding: see Quintana. Tough and hot Giro, no way to recover. Pinot's bet was to save energy and have a chance when others reserves get depleted. It made some sense. But then, why even come. Thibaut was clearly not recovered...People who hint that he was racing this Tour at his true level are clueless.

@alexandre: not "always" in poor form in July: see '12, '14, and even '15 where bad luck struck on stage 3, 4, 5...
"Poor form" is not "sick" :p

Seriously, he was dropped before Bouhanni today. Is it bronchitis again?
I don't know (yet), I don't think that he's sick, he never mentioned anything like that. Just exhaustion. The signs were not good after the Giro.He made a point to defend his ITT title but looked awful, came to the Tour saying how weak he still was after the Giro. If you're that weak, it's not going to get better when you race everyday. Even if you let go towards the finish. Again, I'd point to Quintana, second-best GT rider for the past five years, washed up, a shadow of himself. And Nairo will lose time again tomorrow.

The Giro was unusually hot, the competition was fierce, it took a bigger toll than you think (or seem to think).

Tibopino should have stayed home. But he gave it a crack. Lesson learned for Madiot I guess. And Unzue...it doesn't take away the great Giro performance, a great spring...and hopefully he'll be competitive in the fall. The GDL is well within his reach.
 
Tonton said:
The proof is in the pudding: see Quintana. Tough and hot Giro, no way to recover. Pinot's bet was to save energy and have a chance when others reserves get depleted. It made some sense. But then, why even come. Thibaut was clearly not recovered...People who hint that he was racing this Tour at his true level are clueless.

@alexandre: not "always" in poor form in July: see '12, '14, and even '15 where bad luck struck on stage 3, 4, 5...
He is not even competitive. Something else is wrong maybe sick, injury. Bauke did the Giro and after a poor 1st week he has won a stage.
 
IndianCyclist said:
Tonton said:
The proof is in the pudding: see Quintana. Tough and hot Giro, no way to recover. Pinot's bet was to save energy and have a chance when others reserves get depleted. It made some sense. But then, why even come. Thibaut was clearly not recovered...People who hint that he was racing this Tour at his true level are clueless.

@alexandre: not "always" in poor form in July: see '12, '14, and even '15 where bad luck struck on stage 3, 4, 5...
He is not even competitive. Something else is wrong maybe sick, injury. Bauke did the Giro and after a poor 1st week he has won a stage.
His performance on stage 15 was decent but he said he didn't feel good the past two days.

EDIT: And it is bronchitis indeed. Once again.
 
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Tonton, what on earth, actually, what is going on in France with FdJ?

Demare...4 riders out on the one stage.

Then I noted another rider was out.

Pinot...when he wasn't making any moves on the stage he went into a break, I suspected, based also on Quintana's lack of form, that the Giro was WAY harder than anyone thought. So, despite me questioning it, sending him to the Tour was a hard decision to make.

Are they really that badly run this year?

No Pinot. No sprinter. Are there only 3 guys left on their squad?

That's naturally, a tad disappointing. How are the French press and public handling it?

I can't imagine it's all rosy...no disrespect meant; the situation is rough.

Hopefully they learn not to send him to the Tour. I know he is French, but I thought after the Giro (without seeing anything...) that to send him just because and hope for a stage win, was not really fair on him.

Now he can't exactly do the Vuelta can he?

Anyway...hope he rests up and gets better.
 
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French press are ecstatic with this year's TDF - 5 stage wins, Mountains jersey and probably a GC podium is beyond expectations.
Absolutely: it's a great Tour for France and the media, the public, are super happy. As they should be.

The FDJ site has its daily article, and my read is that Tibopino has fever and the likes, which probably is the product of extreme fatigue. Immune system unable to fight the small stuff. Madiot recognizes that Thibaut showed up at the Tour in a weak state but expected some sort of a miracle, Well, unless you're the author of my signature, miracles don't happen.

No Vuelta of course, but the Italian races I would guess.

Madiot eating some humble pie, admitting that the Giro-Tour thing was a mistake :eek: .
 
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Tonton said:
yaco said:
French press are ecstatic with this year's TDF - 5 stage wins, Mountains jersey and probably a GC podium is beyond expectations.
Absolutely: it's a great Tour for France and the media, the public, are super happy. As they should be.

The FDJ site has its daily article, and my read is that Tibopino has fever and the likes, which probably is the product of extreme fatigue. Immune system unable to fight the small stuff. Madiot recognizes that Thibaut showed up at the Tour in a weak state but expected some sort of a miracle, Well, unless you're the author of my signature, miracles don't happen.

No Vuelta of course, but the Italian races I would guess.

Madiot eating some humble pie, admitting that the Giro-Tour thing was a mistake :eek: .
Thibaut said it will be either Giro-Vuelta double or Tour only from now on.
 
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Tonton said:
yaco said:
French press are ecstatic with this year's TDF - 5 stage wins, Mountains jersey and probably a GC podium is beyond expectations.
Absolutely: it's a great Tour for France and the media, the public, are super happy. As they should be.

The FDJ site has its daily article, and my read is that Tibopino has fever and the likes, which probably is the product of extreme fatigue. Immune system unable to fight the small stuff. Madiot recognizes that Thibaut showed up at the Tour in a weak state but expected some sort of a miracle, Well, unless you're the author of my signature, miracles don't happen.

No Vuelta of course, but the Italian races I would guess.

Madiot eating some humble pie, admitting that the Giro-Tour thing was a mistake :eek: .

So Madiot is a fan of over estimation and enthusiasm...

That's a fine line to cut. I said before the Tour, that you can't send Pinot to both.

His history has shown, when he has a bad GT, it's really bad. Rest him and send him totally rejuvenated and HEALTHY to his races.

If that means a French hero doesn't race the French race...tough. It has to be done. Rider health and safety (including mental health) trump everything. Even optimism.

Geraint Thomas had Sky make the call on his Giro...they sent him home. Some things are that simple.

I know it's hard, but it's better to see a rider do his best than struggle.

Don't worry, they're not the only team who have mismanaged their riders this year...lots more in that department.
 
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Alexandre B. said:
Tonton said:
yaco said:
French press are ecstatic with this year's TDF - 5 stage wins, Mountains jersey and probably a GC podium is beyond expectations.
Absolutely: it's a great Tour for France and the media, the public, are super happy. As they should be.

The FDJ site has its daily article, and my read is that Tibopino has fever and the likes, which probably is the product of extreme fatigue. Immune system unable to fight the small stuff. Madiot recognizes that Thibaut showed up at the Tour in a weak state but expected some sort of a miracle, Well, unless you're the author of my signature, miracles don't happen.

No Vuelta of course, but the Italian races I would guess.

Madiot eating some humble pie, admitting that the Giro-Tour thing was a mistake :eek: .
Thibaut said it will be either Giro-Vuelta double or Tour only from now on.

My guess it will be the Giro/Vuelta double in 2018 - This is achievable because Demare is competitive in the sprints and they'll want to give Gauda a taste of a GT in 2018 - 2019 will be back to the TDF for the Pinot.
 
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.
 
Tonton said:
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.
It's his favorite Monument, he was 3rd on this parcours two years ago. I don't see him skipping this race.
 
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Tonton said:
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.

I am pessimistic with Pinot's next season,I can't see he can make breakthrough in Le Tour.Pinot need to win a GT and he can do it in Giro,He isn't strong enough to beat Dumoulin or even Froome.There won't be a worse calender than it.
 
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Alexandre B. said:
Tonton said:
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.
It's his favorite Monument, he was 3rd on this parcours two years ago. I don't see him skipping this race.

Also,a Mounment for Pinot will be a great end for this great season
 
Alpe-Thibaut said:
Tonton said:
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.

I am pessimistic with Pinot's next season,I can't see he can make breakthrough in Le Tour.Pinot need to win a GT and he can do it in Giro,He isn't strong enough to beat Dumoulin or even Froome.There won't be a worse calender than it.
I don't necessarily agree with you. A TTT is good for FDJ. For the Mollema mention, Bauke was never in the mix, competitive with the best. He was one notch under. Big time. Yes he won a TdF stage, but his GC standing was awful for his standards (5-10).

The PinoGiro was every bit as good as Uran in this year's TdF.

What Thibaut needs to do is forget La Marseillaise and the usual, start a good 6 weeks later, maybe with La Strade (he top-10 and he could actually win it -YES :p ), unlike this year, when he dropped a red-hot Valverde, bludgeoned Contador, went Merckx on Terminillo which backfired, top-5 everything in Trentino. It's all good and nice, but if July is the goal, start later...

Pinot' early part of the season was stellar, like it was the past couple of years, but then...well...he's not part of Clinic discussions. He can only do so much. It's Madiot's job to figure it out.

The Demare bet on the TdF was a half success...he could have got the green to Paris. I would have loved it...see the Sagan fans cry rivers bigger than the Seine :D . All the anti-French ignorant...rant...rant.. I get a rant ooo ooo ooo, Beach Boys please :p .

Thibaut Pinot will have a great TdF next year if the planning is sound. He's every bit as good as Uran, actually better. And when you see his week-3 performance in the Giro, hammering it good, he knows that he can inflict pain. Froome is fading.

BTW, Thibaut can take time bonuses too.
 
I think I'm losing my mind. I seem to be reading the same thing over and over again..........what fresh hell is this ?

As for Pinot in the Giro, I thought he was great, better than his Tour podium as far as entertainment value goes but what a shame that the final TT was such a letdown like Bardet's in the Tour. They need to compare notes, get in the wind tunnel and spend more time on their TT bikes !
 
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Tonton said:
Alpe-Thibaut said:
Tonton said:
Quick update:

Since my last post, Marc Madiot had an interview and wrote a piece on the FDJ website: in the former, he stated that Thibaut will race Le Tour next year. In the latter, he stated that Tibopino's season is not over.

A few days before San Sebastian, Pinot participated in a crit in Dijon before finishing in the chase group at La Classica, helping Roux and free-wheeling to a 17th place at 38".

Next is the Tour de l'Ain, where 20 year-old Thibaut Pinot first got on the scene, first atop the Grand-Colombier, finishing third of a stage won by none other than the Great Haimar Zubeldia :) . Pinot went on to win two stages in '11 and one in '12, including a win atop the Grand Colombier with a blistering attack in the final kilometer.

No news yet as it relates to a participation in the Giro di Lombardia.

I am pessimistic with Pinot's next season,I can't see he can make breakthrough in Le Tour.Pinot need to win a GT and he can do it in Giro,He isn't strong enough to beat Dumoulin or even Froome.There won't be a worse calender than it.
I don't necessarily agree with you. A TTT is good for FDJ. For the Mollema mention, Bauke was never in the mix, competitive with the best. He was one notch under. Big time. Yes he won a TdF stage, but his GC standing was awful for his standards (5-10).

The PinoGiro was every bit as good as Uran in this year's TdF.

What Thibaut needs to do is forget La Marseillaise and the usual, start a good 6 weeks later, maybe with La Strade (he top-10 and he could actually win it -YES :p ), unlike this year, when he dropped a red-hot Valverde, bludgeoned Contador, went Merckx on Terminillo which backfired, top-5 everything in Trentino. It's all good and nice, but if July is the goal, start later...

Pinot' early part of the season was stellar, like it was the past couple of years, but then...well...he's not part of Clinic discussions. He can only do so much. It's Madiot's job to figure it out.

The Demare bet on the TdF was a half success...he could have got the green to Paris. I would have loved it...see the Sagan fans cry rivers bigger than the Seine :D . All the anti-French ignorant...rant...rant.. I get a rant ooo ooo ooo, Beach Boys please :p .

Thibaut Pinot will have a great TdF next year if the planning is sound. He's every bit as good as Uran, actually better. And when you see his week-3 performance in the Giro, hammering it good, he knows that he can inflict pain. Froome is fading.

BTW, Thibaut can take time bonuses too.

Yep,maybe Froome is fading,but what about Dumoulin? It has been proved that he is stronger than Pinot.Pinot'sITT isn't a weapon that can make a difference at any race. What Pinot need to learn is how to defend the leaders' jersey and how to win a GT,not fight for endless TDF podium places.
 
It was a good day for Batman Tibopino and his Robin David Gaudu. Big show of strength. Maybe the field wasn't that strong, but still, Geniez and Kruijswijk (in particular) are no slouch.

And what a classy gesture by Pinot. FDJ aren't as successful as the Sky guys, but they don't race against their own. You have class or you don't. You can't buy it.

Cheers! :)
 
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Yeah, without Froome, Bardet, Quintana, Dumoulin and maybe Chaves and Aru, Pinot might win the Tour if he gets everything else right. Other than that simply no.
Frrome, Quintana, Dumoulin...OK. Bardet, Chaves and Aru? I take Thibaut anyday.

I don't. Pinot hasn't done anything in GTs close to Bardet, Chaves and, especially, Aru had, no matter how high compared to the former three his potential may be. But we already had this discussion and agreed to disagree. :)
 
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lenric said:
Tonton said:
lenric said:
Yeah, without Froome, Bardet, Quintana, Dumoulin and maybe Chaves and Aru, Pinot might win the Tour if he gets everything else right. Other than that simply no.
Frrome, Quintana, Dumoulin...OK. Bardet, Chaves and Aru? I take Thibaut anyday.

I don't. Pinot hasn't done anything in GTs close to Bardet, Chaves and, especially, Aru had, no matter how high compared to the former three his potential may be. But we already had this discussion and agreed to disagree. :)

He actually did close in GT's to Bardet and Chaves. To Aru not so much, I agree, he's a GT winner