Tonton if he can win on Belles Filles, or even just top-5, I don't think he will give up that easily...
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The PDBF is in Pinot's backyard, but in '14 he finished second, 15" down on winner Nibali. Tibopino has progressed since. The competition will be much stronger though. It's so tempting, he will go for it. But then, no matter what, he has two stages to lose a lot of time if he wants to be BOD eligible.
...and that would be a big mistake IMO. Losing time to win the KOM, and in the process being pretty much guaranteed a BOD stage win should be the main objective.Valv.Piti said:
The PDBF is in Pinot's backyard, but in '14 he finished second, 15" down on winner Nibali. Tibopino has progressed since. The competition will be much stronger though. It's so tempting, he will go for it. But then, no matter what, he has two stages to lose a lot of time if he wants to be BOD eligible.
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He won't win in PDBF... he should lose 10 minutes there to have a free card in mont du chatValv.Piti said:
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He would have been better off if he had ridden more like in '14 and concentrated more on the MTFs and saved himself more.
With the current system it is all about HC climbs and MTFs. There's only 17 points available on stage 8. 85 points the day after. So clearly, it's dumb to waste any energy in the first of them. The best would be to target stage 9, 12 & 17 (+18 if necessary, but it shouldn't be; anyway I doubt that stage will go to the break) and then tank all other stages.
He scored 2 points in that stage...Tonton said:
He would have been better off if he had ridden more like in '14 and concentrated more on the MTFs and saved himself more.
With the current system it is all about HC climbs and MTFs. There's only 17 points available on stage 8. 85 points the day after. So clearly, it's dumb to waste any energy in the first of them. The best would be to target stage 9, 12 & 17 (+18 if necessary, but it shouldn't be; anyway I doubt that stage will go to the break) and then tank all other stages.
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He can win PDBF and lose time stage 6 and 7. Get his 10-15 minute deficit.
I just viewed, again, the '12 and '14 PDBF. In '12, TP finished a meh 15th. 2nd in '14, too far when Nibali made his winning move, and then, after an acceleration, he let the others do the job. Porte (new Sky leader after Froome's DNF) began doming for the group and then looked back, probably thinking: "what the heck am I doing?" The group started watching each other, no one wanted to ride, and Tibopino took off, dropping Bardet and Valverde among others. Thibaut actually made up ground on Vincenzo in the final 500 meters.
We all agree that the '14 shark had a serious bite. The '14 Pinot was only 15 seconds down. The Giropino is much better than the '14 Tourdepino. So why not? Still, Froome and Porte will be tough customers on that one.
portugal11 said:
He can win PDBF and lose time stage 6 and 7. Get his 10-15 minute deficit.
I just viewed, again, the '12 and '14 PDBF. In '12, TP finished a meh 15th. 2nd in '14, too far when Nibali made his winning move, and then, after an acceleration, he let the others do the job. Porte (new Sky leader after Froome's DNF) began doming for the group and then looked back, probably thinking: "what the heck am I doing?" The group started watching each other, no one wanted to ride, and Tibopino took off, dropping Bardet and Valverde among others. Thibaut actually made up ground on Vincenzo in the final 500 meters.
We all agree that the '14 shark had a serious bite. The '14 Pinot was only 15 seconds down. The Giropino is much better than the '14 Tourdepino. So why not? Still, Froome and Porte will be tough customers on that one.
Stop yourself, Tonton 
He won't finish in the top-5 on PdBF. I hope he will take it easy there and lose a bunch of time.
He won't finish in the top-5 on PdBF. I hope he will take it easy there and lose a bunch of time.
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And GiroNibali was much worse than TourNibali.
And both Froome and Porte are way better than Pinot.
Quintana and Bardet are also better. And Aru.
He would have more chances of winning if PDBF was not so soon.
Tonton said:
And GiroNibali was much worse than TourNibali.
And both Froome and Porte are way better than Pinot.
Quintana and Bardet are also better. And Aru.
He would have more chances of winning if PDBF was not so soon.
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. I like to be a mod actually, although I don't have much free time. Too much work. Having said that, it's thanks to the mods that CN hasn't turned into the comments feature on YouTube. Just saying .
Fan boy...and proud of it. I overdo it sometimes to get reactions. Still, in the end, look at Tibopino's record. A lot of queen stages, some big wins, 4 top-10 in GT, just finished 4th at Il Giro, that's better than 4th or 6th at the Dauphine if you ask me ...
That's because LaFlo never wanted to be a modportugal11 said:
. I like to be a mod actually, although I don't have much free time. Too much work. Having said that, it's thanks to the mods that CN hasn't turned into the comments feature on YouTube. Just saying .Fan boy...and proud of it. I overdo it sometimes to get reactions. Still, in the end, look at Tibopino's record. A lot of queen stages, some big wins, 4 top-10 in GT, just finished 4th at Il Giro, that's better than 4th or 6th at the Dauphine if you ask me
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Everyone's free to believe in fairy tales and no one can do a thing to counter it, so be my guest.
Tonton said:
Everyone's free to believe in fairy tales and no one can do a thing to counter it, so be my guest.
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Fairy tale: I watched Il Giro. Tibopino was really good. Many here gave him no shot, and still don't give him any credit. What's the excuse this time? Froome and Contador DNF? Like in '14? Porte and Bardet have yet to be in contention week 3. Thibaut was, just one month ago. Remember?
That's not a fairy tale. It happened before our eyes. Maybe you don't like him for some obscure reason, but at least give Pinot his props. C'mon man!!!
Where am I wrong according to you? The only responses that were not "yes" were Porte (yet to have a clean GT, perform to his potential), Bardet (ninja for the public, not for the win), and Aru (with Astana you never know)?lenric said:
Fairy tale: I watched Il Giro. Tibopino was really good. Many here gave him no shot, and still don't give him any credit. What's the excuse this time? Froome and Contador DNF? Like in '14? Porte and Bardet have yet to be in contention week 3. Thibaut was, just one month ago. Remember?
That's not a fairy tale. It happened before our eyes. Maybe you don't like him for some obscure reason, but at least give Pinot his props. C'mon man!!!
Relax please, I wasn't addressing his quality (I have already addressed it, so that's not a new topic). I would have said the same about Nibali and Zakarin (though not obviously about Quintana), since they all have ridden the Giro.
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. Don't take everything I say/write literally please. I often push the envelope. That's how I win my bets .
Pinot and Bardet have nothing to win at the Tour. You can only better a podium by winning the whole thing, and they're not strong enough. Close, somewhat, but no cigar. AG2R has to go for the GC, or hope that Bardet will have an issue like Landa at Il Giro and go for the KOM-stage target. Or both. For Thibaut, if it's all about entertaining the masses in July, bad call. I'd rather have him in La Vuelta, not a friendly environment (course/heat), but something new and fun...
Only Tibopino can stop the dark forces of Sky, past and present, he's the savior...OK. I'm getting too far this timelenric said:
. Don't take everything I say/write literally please. I often push the envelope. That's how I win my bets .Pinot and Bardet have nothing to win at the Tour. You can only better a podium by winning the whole thing, and they're not strong enough. Close, somewhat, but no cigar. AG2R has to go for the GC, or hope that Bardet will have an issue like Landa at Il Giro and go for the KOM-stage target. Or both. For Thibaut, if it's all about entertaining the masses in July, bad call. I'd rather have him in La Vuelta, not a friendly environment (course/heat), but something new and fun...
Tibopino to defend his French ITT title...it'sone thing to defend it, another one to defend it successfully considering recent performances. IMO, waste of time. ITT training should have been before the Giro: now who cares if he beats old Chava...
Good week of training on Strava for Tibopino, including 87 km on his ITT bike and a day that he called "scouting July5" (actually not quite - Chevreres isn't on the TdF course) and PDBF on the menu.
and a day that he called "scouting July5" (actually not quite - Chevreres isn't on the TdF course) and PDBF on the menu.
Alain Mimoun won the '56 OG Marathon, went to Rome to defend his title, finished as an also ran. I give props to Tibopino for not skipping the whole thing together, being old school, but man, it was rough on me. Thibaut wasn't in the ITT position that much, looked like a GVA going for a monument win and forget the TT bars. After 10K, he was no ITT but guts, nothing like an ITT specialist. His entourage didn't want Pinot to be there, he went for it, but the result is bad. Tibopino is focusing on clmbing, why be there in the first place? Weird.
https://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Tour-de-france-thibaut-pinot-vise-une-belle-victoire-d-etape/814258
Interview in l'Equipe, just posted. Tibopino wants to enjoy Le Tour, get a nice stage win and remains vague about the polka-dot. He says that he's still tired from Il Giro and will take the first week as training. Therefore, according to TP, the PDBF is not an objective: too early in the race.
As we could guess, looking at FDJ's line-up, Mollard and Vichot will help him.
Interview in l'Equipe, just posted. Tibopino wants to enjoy Le Tour, get a nice stage win and remains vague about the polka-dot. He says that he's still tired from Il Giro and will take the first week as training. Therefore, according to TP, the PDBF is not an objective: too early in the race.
As we could guess, looking at FDJ's line-up, Mollard and Vichot will help him.
It's interesting to see riders put their GC potential aside and go stage hunting instead. One doesn't completely exclude the other, but it's an advantage if you're twenty minutes behind and get freedom. However there might be a lot of riders like this: Pinot, Majka, Gesink and Rolland all want to win a mountain stage. It will be crowded in those breakaways.
I'm looking forward to see who will actually lose twenty minutes on purpose in the first week, in order to have a better chance in the Jura stages.
I'm looking forward to see who will actually lose twenty minutes on purpose in the first week, in order to have a better chance in the Jura stages.
In a remake of the classic Jacques Tati movie, "Les Vacances de Monsieur Pinot", Tibopino's "vacations" are starting quite well thank you very much. He rode super vanilla, almost stopping in the corners, and still ended up ahead of quite a few top-10 GC favorites. Now Thibaut, lose (a lot of) time and see you at the PDBF...
Another four yesterday, two and a half today...Tibopino is now eligible for a "bon de sortie". Before the PDBF, he stated that Sunday is when the race begins for him, with good chances for a BOD to succeed.
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