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Alexandre B. said:Here we call him L'ascenseur émotionnel, the emotional elevator.
Very appropriate
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Alexandre B. said:Here we call him L'ascenseur émotionnel, the emotional elevator.
But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Pinot was reacting to all the accelerations on the last Igls climb, which is a lot of wasted energy, then he set the pace from the bottom of Grammartboden, and that climb was started too fast in any case.Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Red Rick said:Pinot was reacting to all the accelerations on the last Igls climb, which is a lot of wasted energy, then he set the pace from the bottom of Grammartboden, and that climb was started too fast in any case.Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Pinot did mostly the first part of the climb, which was less steep, and he blew up the group, which judging by Dumoulin's pace, started out the climb too fast. So Pinot must've really blown himself up halfway the climb and still he finished in the 2nd group despite all the work he had done and riding a really inefficient climb.tobydawq said:Red Rick said:Pinot was reacting to all the accelerations on the last Igls climb, which is a lot of wasted energy, then he set the pace from the bottom of Grammartboden, and that climb was started too fast in any case.Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Regarding the last part: everybody rides the same amount of W/kg when it's that steep, whether you're on the front or sitting in the wheels.
Sometimes it seems like people overestimate the relative amount of work it takes to lead on a (very steep) climb.
Tonton said:True, and really, it's Monday morning quarterbacking...what if...what if...it made sense to designate Alaf' as the team leader at the time.
Anyway, what a day! And in the end, cycling is the big winner too. Old school brawl, long-range attack, the best race of the year for me. And I'm being objective here ...as always .
'love my signature BTW .
Red Rick said:Pinot did mostly the first part of the climb, which was less steep, and he blew up the group, which judging by Dumoulin's pace, started out the climb too fast. So Pinot must've really blown himself up halfway the climb and still he finished in the 2nd group despite all the work he had done and riding a really inefficient climb.tobydawq said:Red Rick said:Pinot was reacting to all the accelerations on the last Igls climb, which is a lot of wasted energy, then he set the pace from the bottom of Grammartboden, and that climb was started too fast in any case.Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
Regarding the last part: everybody rides the same amount of W/kg when it's that steep, whether you're on the front or sitting in the wheels.
Sometimes it seems like people overestimate the relative amount of work it takes to lead on a (very steep) climb.
Rollthedice said:Tonton said:True, and really, it's Monday morning quarterbacking...what if...what if...it made sense to designate Alaf' as the team leader at the time.
Anyway, what a day! And in the end, cycling is the big winner too. Old school brawl, long-range attack, the best race of the year for me. And I'm being objective here ...as always .
'love my signature BTW .
It was indeed. Hopefully we will remember for a long time this beautiful autumn day in Lombardia, in a weird romantic way it reminded me of the movie The Duellists, hope you saw it.
Tonton said:Rollthedice said:Tonton said:True, and really, it's Monday morning quarterbacking...what if...what if...it made sense to designate Alaf' as the team leader at the time.
Anyway, what a day! And in the end, cycling is the big winner too. Old school brawl, long-range attack, the best race of the year for me. And I'm being objective here ...as always .
'love my signature BTW .
It was indeed. Hopefully we will remember for a long time this beautiful autumn day in Lombardia, in a weird romantic way it reminded me of the movie The Duellists, hope you saw it.
Pretty sure Pinot took over from Molard as the gradients kicked above 7 percent, so he didn't lead from the bottom of the climb. Whatever, I agree using him on the Igls climb was a mistakeRed Rick said:Pinot was reacting to all the accelerations on the last Igls climb, which is a lot of wasted energy, then he set the pace from the bottom of Grammartboden, and that climb was started too fast in any case.Cance > TheRest said:But he did set the pace on the final climb and it's not that drafting meant much on those percentages. Yet, Bardet was in no trouble following Pinots pace as he even attacked later. I fail to see how Pinot was the stronger rider that day. Unless ofcourse I'm forgetting some crucial point where Pinot spent unnecessary powers that cost him the chance to stay with the best after he'd reeled in Valgren on Gramartboden? To be honest I just think Pinots shape has gone up since the WCKrokro said:One thing is certain, he has monster form and a better punch than Bardet. I also thought they should've picked him as the co-leader. Considering Bardet came close second, who knows.
movingtarget said:Big win for Pinot. He really turned his season around after his Giro disappointment. He has looked great over the past few months.
Zinoviev Letter said:movingtarget said:Big win for Pinot. He really turned his season around after his Giro disappointment. He has looked great over the past few months.
Earlier in his career I think people may justifiably have seen his mentality as a weakness. In retrospect, there is a real mental strength in being able to come back from disaster stronger, and he has done so repeatedly.
movingtarget said:Zinoviev Letter said:movingtarget said:Big win for Pinot. He really turned his season around after his Giro disappointment. He has looked great over the past few months.
Earlier in his career I think people may justifiably have seen his mentality as a weakness. In retrospect, there is a real mental strength in being able to come back from disaster stronger, and he has done so repeatedly.
Be interesting to see the racing schedule Pinot opts for next year after his success this season.
He already made his mind before this Holy Week: he will commit to the Tour de France in 2019.Robert5091 said:movingtarget said:Zinoviev Letter said:movingtarget said:Big win for Pinot. He really turned his season around after his Giro disappointment. He has looked great over the past few months.
Earlier in his career I think people may justifiably have seen his mentality as a weakness. In retrospect, there is a real mental strength in being able to come back from disaster stronger, and he has done so repeatedly.
Be interesting to see the racing schedule Pinot opts for next year after his success this season.
I expect Pinot is under a lot of pressure to ride TdF.