Thomas Wiesel Linked to Investigation

[BullsFan22]

Might as well call him "Weasel" now, muhahaha!

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Judging by the simple fact Stapleton was documented as checking Wonderboy's blood values in the SI article, I'd say the other thieves will try to throw their business partners into the Fed's man eating shark tank.

Well, you have to wonder how Law Enforcement will deal with that den of thieves. You couldn't trust a single fact from any of them.

Some, many, of the facts will be corroborated by other real evidence such as text messages, emails, wire transfers. It's not simply taking their word. You also compare their accounts to see where they match up and where they conflict.

 

[Race Radio]

Bill Stapleton was an IOC board member.....a great position to have if you want to get the OOC testing schedule.

 

[zigmeister]

But Lance wasn't a part owner of Tailwind....oh wait, he was entitled to stock but didn't get it for months if at all. LOL! They are all in the Fed's sights. This is not just about doping. It's about a criminal enterprise that has defrauded the government for $31million and an insurance carrier for $5million. Along they way they probably facilitated the enterprise with money laundering, tax evasion, bribing foreign officials--a few little things. Oh what a tangled web we weave when first we practice to deceive.

ROFL. Wait, so how exactly was the government defrauded? They paid to sponsor a bike team that Lance was on, to win the tour. They did that and accomplished the goal. Maybe the government should investigate the postal service and how they defraud the american public, they lie, beg and steal taxpayers dollars daily?

What you just wrote and the us prosecution thinks all sound likes some bad contrived thriller movie produced by hollywood.

 

[tubularglue]

I'd imagine Weisel has been not sleeping well for a while. I'm curious about Och, Steve Johnson, Stapleton... I'm thinking if Weisel is getting looked at then it stands to reason these guys are too.

then USACycling.Org of the past - corporation of

 

[VeloGirl]

ROFL. Wait, so how exactly was the government defrauded? They paid to sponsor a bike team that Lance was on, to win the tour. They did that and accomplished the goal. Maybe the government should investigate the postal service and how they defraud the american public, they lie, beg and steal taxpayers dollars daily?

What you just wrote and the us prosecution thinks all sound likes some bad contrived thriller movie produced by hollywood.

You can read this article where a law professor from Golden State Univ opinions the following:

But Keane added that while Barry Bonds and other steroid-using athletes were charged with perjury, Armstrong "looks more and more like he is the target of a government fraud investigation."

 

[tubularglue]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32057485/...ationships-In-The-Lance-Armstrong-Doping-Saga

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

ROFL. Wait, so how exactly was the government defrauded? They paid to sponsor a bike team that Lance was on, to win the tour. They did that and accomplished the goal. Maybe the government should investigate the postal service and how they defraud the american public, they lie, beg and steal taxpayers dollars daily?

What you just wrote and the us prosecution thinks all sound likes some bad contrived thriller movie produced by hollywood.

You need to accept that Armstrong is about to be Munsoned.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

ROFL. Wait, so how exactly was the government defrauded? They paid to sponsor a bike team that Lance was on, to win the tour. They did that and accomplished the goal. Maybe the government should investigate the postal service and how they defraud the american public, they lie, beg and steal taxpayers dollars daily?

What you just wrote and the us prosecution thinks all sound likes some bad contrived thriller movie produced by hollywood.

....and they achieved that goal through doping - which was in direct conflict with their contract with USPS.

Todays SF Weekly.

Hamilton is alleging here that a systematic doping program was in place at the U.S. Postal Service Cycling Team before Armstrong had anything to do with that team. That's crucial because, beginning in 2002, sponsorship contracts between the U.S. government agency and Tailwind Sports, the company Weisel set up to manage the team, included a clause allowing the USPS to shut off its multi-million dollar sponsorship spigot if ever it was learned management had condoned riders' doping.

 

[sartain]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32057485/...ationships-In-The-Lance-Armstrong-Doping-Saga

It had been a while since I had seen that article . . . so thanks for posting it for those who may not have seen it. It is a real eye opener! It pretty much tells you all you need to know.

 

[I Watch Cycling In July]

http://www.scribd.com/doc/32057485/...ationships-In-The-Lance-Armstrong-Doping-Saga

What a great summary. That article should be compulsory reading.

 

[webvan]

Excellent article indeed, can't remember where I first read it. I think it was accompanied (or was it an updated version) by an article on who had helped Landis finance his legal proceedings.

 

[Benotti69]

Wiesel is the puppet master, Stromboli and Armstrong his Pinocchio who will never be a real boy! Anyone one want to guess who is Jiminy cricket?

 

[spetsa]

Wiesel is the puppet master, Stromboli and Armstrong his Pinocchio who will never be a real boy! Anyone one want to guess who is Jiminy cricket?

Any one who has been around elite cycling in the USA since the early 1990's, knows that the following, which I posted months ago is true. This is about some big fish that hijacked the sport, not a certian Texan with a high cadence.

"Now that it has come out that Lance had irregular test values as early as 1993, let's take a look back at his early career. A young Lance Armstrong leaves triathlon to become a world class cyclist under the care of one Tom Weisel and the Subaru-Montgomery team. By 1991, this team consisted of multiple riders that had less than stellar reputations as clean cyclists. Two notables, Krzystof Wiatr and Andrzej Mierzejewski.


http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ploegfiche.php?id=8342

Both went on to win many races here in the US and later test positive. Both were banned from racing and deported back to their home country of Poland. Wiatr was found to actually be married to someone in his home country, and fought deportation because he was simultaneously married to the daughter of a race promoter here in the US.
Another notable part of the equation was one Eddie B., enough said there. The Polish connection, and the association of a handfull of wealthy men that later took over USA Cycling may be the link that sent USA Cycling spiraling downhill. My opoinion only on that front, but based based on the fact that I met these two Polish racers shortly after they moved to the States and were tearing legs off all over the US, and I subsequently with their help, spent the next year chasing my dream on a small Polish team. Things did not work out very well due to my unwillingness to have random needles shoved into my ***, but that is another story.
The point being that as an old time insider, I find it hard to believe that Lance concocted this idea on his own. Was he the mastermind of the US Postal fiasco? Quite possibly, but it is just my opinion that LA is going to come out with a serious blame game within minutes of being indicted. Weisel has got to be crapping his pants. There is going to be so much more to this story than most of you forum posters can even imagine.
Personally, I hope to see LA go down in handcuffs, but my bet is he walks away humiliated and a handfull of wealthy men do time, because they thought they were above the law.

What is your take?"

 

[Benotti69]

Any one who has been around elite cycling in the USA since the early 1990's, knows that the following, which I posted months ago is true. This is about some big fish that hijacked the sport, not a certian Texan with a high cadence.

"Now that it has come out that Lance had irregular test values as early as 1993, let's take a look back at his early career. A young Lance Armstrong leaves triathlon to become a world class cyclist under the care of one Tom Weisel and the Subaru-Montgomery team. By 1991, this team consisted of multiple riders that had less than stellar reputations as clean cyclists. Two notables, Krzystof Wiatr and Andrzej Mierzejewski.


http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ploegfiche.php?id=8342

Both went on to win many races here in the US and later test positive. Both were banned from racing and deported back to their home country of Poland. Wiatr was found to actually be married to someone in his home country, and fought deportation because he was simultaneously married to the daughter of a race promoter here in the US.
Another notable part of the equation was one Eddie B., enough said there. The Polish connection, and the association of a handfull of wealthy men that later took over USA Cycling may be the link that sent USA Cycling spiraling downhill. My opoinion only on that front, but based based on the fact that I met these two Polish racers shortly after they moved to the States and were tearing legs off all over the US, and I subsequently with their help, spent the next year chasing my dream on a small Polish team. Things did not work out very well due to my unwillingness to have random needles shoved into my ***, but that is another story.
The point being that as an old time insider, I find it hard to believe that Lance concocted this idea on his own. Was he the mastermind of the US Postal fiasco? Quite possibly, but it is just my opinion that LA is going to come out with a serious blame game within minutes of being indicted. Weisel has got to be crapping his pants. There is going to be so much more to this story than most of you forum posters can even imagine.
Personally, I hope to see LA go down in handcuffs, but my bet is he walks away humiliated and a handfull of wealthy men do time, because they thought they were above the law.

What is your take?"

Yeah for sure, but i would hazard that the info contained in the clinic has scratched well below the surface

 

[Race Radio]

ROFL. Wait, so how exactly was the government defrauded? They paid to sponsor a bike team that Lance was on, to win the tour. They did that and accomplished the goal. Maybe the government should investigate the postal service and how they defraud the american public, they lie, beg and steal taxpayers dollars daily?
.

There are two cases, the Federal case and the Qui Tam case.

USPS had specific clauses against doping. It appears Armstrong and his buddies actively lied about the doping program to USPS in order to continue to get millions of $$$ from them.

Why does this matter? Simple, watch any of the media reports and USPS' brand is all over it. Do you think USPS is happy to have their brand forever associated with organized criminal activity? They had those anti-doping clauses for a reason, to avoid this type of mess

 

[MacRoadie]

Do you think USPS is happy to have their brand forever associated with organized criminal activity? They had those anti-doping clauses for a reason, to avoid this type of mess

You mean they didn't bargain on this?

 

[skippythepinhead]

EPOuch. Great picture choice.

 

[VeloCity]

You mean they didn't bargain on this?

Ironic choice of ad to go with it - "LA Noire".

 

[Oldman]

Any one who has been around elite cycling in the USA since the early 1990's, knows that the following, which I posted months ago is true. This is about some big fish that hijacked the sport, not a certian Texan with a high cadence.

"Now that it has come out that Lance had irregular test values as early as 1993, let's take a look back at his early career. A young Lance Armstrong leaves triathlon to become a world class cyclist under the care of one Tom Weisel and the Subaru-Montgomery team. By 1991, this team consisted of multiple riders that had less than stellar reputations as clean cyclists. Two notables, Krzystof Wiatr and Andrzej Mierzejewski.


http://www.cyclingarchives.com/ploegfiche.php?id=8342

Both went on to win many races here in the US and later test positive. Both were banned from racing and deported back to their home country of Poland. Wiatr was found to actually be married to someone in his home country, and fought deportation because he was simultaneously married to the daughter of a race promoter here in the US.
Another notable part of the equation was one Eddie B., enough said there. The Polish connection, and the association of a handfull of wealthy men that later took over USA Cycling may be the link that sent USA Cycling spiraling downhill. My opoinion only on that front, but based based on the fact that I met these two Polish racers shortly after they moved to the States and were tearing legs off all over the US, and I subsequently with their help, spent the next year chasing my dream on a small Polish team. Things did not work out very well due to my unwillingness to have random needles shoved into my ***, but that is another story.
The point being that as an old time insider, I find it hard to believe that Lance concocted this idea on his own. Was he the mastermind of the US Postal fiasco? Quite possibly, but it is just my opinion that LA is going to come out with a serious blame game within minutes of being indicted. Weisel has got to be crapping his pants. There is going to be so much more to this story than most of you forum posters can even imagine.
Personally, I hope to see LA go down in handcuffs, but my bet is he walks away humiliated and a handfull of wealthy men do time, because they thought they were above the law.

What is your take?"

The wealthy men may do time but they will pay money because that's how you hurt them.
Note to those following this history that has been much discussed for over a year: Weisel raced Masters level events and Eddie B coached him as the fledgling Montgomery Subaru team was being formed. I mentioned some time ago that Lance was a participant in a "vitamin injection" session administered by Eddie B to the National TTT squad training for the Pan Am games as represented to me by a former teammate. This was pre-Barcelona Olympics step and Lance was a willing and knowing participant but no way an organizer. My teammate asked, naively; "why did we get vitamin injections two weeks before an event?" as he did know something about nutrition. Over the next training week he understood what he'd been given.
Oh, this session was reportedly housed in Mr. Weisel's Park City home. When my teammate voiced concerns over the administration of medication his contract offer was withdrawn by MS with the evaluation that he "lacked a Professional attitude". He quit racing after Barelona.

 

[TrackCynic]

Now wondering if karma will come back to bite Thom Weisel. Problem is he still controls USA Cycing and still has a say in our sport at grass roots level as well as awarding his own team tin cups now and again, The Specialized Masters team: http://www.teamspecializedracing.com/members.php

BTW, for those who don't know, here's some of the team:

T. Weisel - Tailwind, USPS, USAC
W. Weisel - Son and heir
Dylan Casey - USPS
Matt Barger - worked at Hellman & Friedman, treasurer at USAC
Marco Hellman - worked at Hellman & Friedman, trustee at USAC
Kenny Carpenter - ex-Pro, famously missed drug test in San diego, worked for Weisel
Mike McCarthy - ex-pro, worked for Weisel
Chris Lyman - Lyman PR (Hincapie Sports happens to be a client)

Is there realistically any way we can cut USAC out of our local cycling racing? I really do not like giving this weasel my money to fund his power-grabbing hobbies.

 

[Deagol]

Now wondering if karma will come back to bite Thom Weisel. Problem is he still controls USA Cycing and still has a say in our sport at grass roots level as well as awarding his own team tin cups now and again, The Specialized Masters team: http://www.teamspecializedracing.com/members.php

BTW, for those who don't know, here's some of the team:

T. Weisel - Tailwind, USPS, USAC
W. Weisel - Son and heir
Dylan Casey - USPS
Matt Barger - worked at Hellman & Friedman, treasurer at USAC
Marco Hellman - worked at Hellman & Friedman, trustee at USAC
Kenny Carpenter - ex-Pro, famously missed drug test in San diego, worked for Weisel
Mike McCarthy - ex-pro, worked for Weisel
Chris Lyman - Lyman PR (Hincapie Sports happens to be a client)

Is there realistically any way we can cut USAC out of our local cycling racing? I really do not like giving this weasel my money to fund his power-grabbing hobbies.

I hope so, but unfortunately, USAC took over our local federation, the ACA (Colorado New mexico, Wyoming), about a year ago...

I can't help thinking that if the ACA would have resisted takeover, maybe the threat of being consumned by USAC would have diminished by now. Steve Johnson of the ACA threatened our local association with starting a rival league in order to intimidate the ACA into agreeing to being absorbed. He later gloated about threatening them to a USAC employee.

Of course, some in the ACA may not have mineded this takeover, but I feel others were afraid to try and fight.

Here is the BS statement
http://www.usacycling.org/forms/ACA 2011-08-18.pdf

Notice the anti-doping statement on Page 8, very ironic. While the statement may be well written, it doesn't represent reality.

Here is how USAC really works
http://velonews.competitor.com/2006/04/news/exit-interview-bisceglia-speaks-part-1_9712

 

[howsteepisit]

Weisel is a win at all costs guy. I am in the process of reading a pdf book I found called Wiley-Capital-Instincts-LIfe as An Entrepreneur- Financier- and Athlete, its about Weisel and it very clear he will totally push any limit to win. Says he is all about honesty, but my read is he is about honesty if there is a chance of detection, and discovery would hurt his ultimate goal. The story is rife with how he steps on/over others to win. Book was written by Richard L Brandt and Thomas Weisel, 2003. Its a bit scary.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Weisel is a win at all costs guy. I am in the process of reading a pdf book I found called Wiley-Capital-Instincts-LIfe as An Entrepreneur- Financier- and Athlete, its about Weisel and it very clear he will totally push any limit to win. Says he is all about honesty, but my read is he is about honesty if there is a chance of detection, and discovery would hurt his ultimate goal. The story is rife with how he steps on/over others to win. Book was written by Richard L Brandt and Thomas Weisel, 2003. Its a bit scary.

PDF Link: http://www.bizknowledge.info/My-boo...s-an-Entrepreneur,-Financier,-and-Athlete.pdf

 

[mewmewmew13]

PDF Link: http://www.bizknowledge.info/My-boo...s-an-Entrepreneur,-Financier,-and-Athlete.pdf

Fascinating...
I enjoyed reading the forward written by mr Armstrong...


"If not for Thom’s generosity and vision, there would be no Tour de France titles behind my name."
Lance Armstrong Winner of the Tour de France, 1999, 2000, 2001, 2002 U.S. Postal Service cycling team