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Thor has "never seen doping"

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I think what Thor is trying to tell us is that he likes to look away when he makes injections into his arm because he really doesn't like needles. So he doesn't actually see the drugs entering his body and in that sense he has never seen any drugs and he is telling us the truth.
 
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Have you got any evidence, proof, links or connections? I'll take circumstantial if you've got it.

Otherwise this is just typical Clinic bullsh!t.

What a minute, you think the World Champion is clean? Hey that's cool. By the way I've got some very cheap mortgage backed securities to sell you, they're going for pennies on the Dollar right now but surely you'll believe they'll recover their full face value!
 
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thats because up to now he's not had transitions lenses. He will be able to see much clearer from next season.
 
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What a minute, you think the World Champion is clean? Hey that's cool. By the way I've got some very cheap mortgage backed securities to sell you, they're going for pennies on the Dollar right now but surely you'll believe they'll recover their full face value!

Legeay was always anti drugs even before the Festina affair.Unfortunately for cycling his efforts went unreworded.because he ended up with no sponsor and no team.
 
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loydfloyd32 said:
don't need any evidence, just common sense. I don't have any problems with thor having been on the juise, hell I don't even have problems with him lying about it. But i have problems with people who think that the top riders don't dope.
Ah, I thought as much. Good old fashioned Clinic BS.

If you've got something to offer:- inside info, reports, lab leaks, whatever, then we'll talk, yes? If all you've got is a crappy reiterarion of the old 'all top riders are on drugs' theme tune then we may as well call it quits right now because that's not a discussion worth having.
 
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Many of you like to refer to the famous IM exchange between Vaughters and Andreu to prove that there was doping at US Postal - quite rightly.

But there was also this bit:

Cyclevaughters: once I went to CA and saw that now all the teams got 25 injections every day

Cyclevaughters: hell, CA was ZERO

FDREU: you mean all the riders

Cyclevaughters: Credit Agricole

FDREU: it's crazy

Cyclevaughters: So, I realized lance was full of **** when he'd say everyone was doing it


I suppose to some of you, all of the exchange was true, except this section which is all lies.
 
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Tor has never seen drugs, neither in cycling nor elsewhere?

This guy had a very sheltered life so far. Next time when he's in Oslo, I'd suggest for him to take a walk behind the central station.
 
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Right, sprinters don't benefit from doping

I'd suggest that Ben Johnson and Marion Jones could both probably teach Thor a bit about how dope can help his sprinting.
 
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warmfuzzies said:
I'd suggest that Ben Johnson and Marion Jones could both probably teach Thor a bit about how dope can help his sprinting.

I don't what to p1ss on your chips here, but that's a completely different sport.
 
“I think overall that it has a greater effect on the riders who must be good every day for a long period of time, and who must consistently ride very fast. It's harder for them than it is, for example, for us sprinters,” he told the Norwegian website NRK Sport.

he's simply saying-between the lines- the sprinter's doping program isn't as deep as the GT contenders- but what bothers me is how he has the nerve to say he hasn't seen/come across to dope in his whole sporting career.... :mad:
 
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I suppose to some of you, all of the exchange was true, except this section which is all lies.

For those out there who continuously misinterpret the exchange, Vaughters point, which is hard to read in the jumbled IM exchange, was that Lance had said everyone (every team) was doing "it" (dope) and that was the rationale for also doing it at USPS.

Once Vaughters went to Credit Agricole (CA), he saw that it was zero.

That first text is a bit confusing, I think he meant to type:

"Once I went to CA and saw that NOT all the teams got 25 injections every day. Hell, CA was ZERO"

Which then makes sense. Obviously, CA can't be getting 25 injections per day, AND be getting zero. Also, the last text then makes sense:

So, I realized lance was full of **** when he'd say everyone was doing it

and everything fits in context.

The whole idea of the exchange was that Vaughters was stressing how DIFFERENT Credit Agricole was from what Armstrong had tried to sell to everyone on USPS.
 
hfer07 said:
he's simply saying-between the lines- the sprinter's doping program isn't as deep as the GT contenders- but what bothers me is how he has the nerve to say he hasn't seen/come across to dope in his whole sporting career.... :mad:

I think its a bit much to say he has never seen doping, I think thats almost impossible for a pro. Credit Agircole did have a good reputation and Hushovd also, but still its unrealistic.

Who remembers Armstrong's classic line "doping may be happneing but I know there is none on my team"

Yeah right.
 
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The strong believers who follow the "winners always dope" opinion need to reexamine the public record on guys who later say they did not dope and generally could not reach their winning potential as a result.

Riders not interested in doping seem to never get the opportunity to receive the doping protocols and drugs. The published exception would be Pharmstrong berating riders who would not fully commit to his program. Dedicated clean riders seem to immediately steer clear of the people who do the supplying and teaching.

Thor's results are consistent with a clean rider. He wins at events where dopers would not substantially change the outcome, especially in what appears to be less doped fields.

We only seem to find out little bits of truth years after. So, maybe we'll learn something later.
 
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MacRoadie said:
Vaughters point, which is hard to read in the jumbled IM exchange, was that Lance had said everyone (every team) was doing "it" (dope) and that was the rationale for also doing it at USPS.

Once Vaughters went to Credit Agricole (CA), he saw that it was zero.

That first text is a bit confusing, I think he meant to type:

Which then makes sense. Obviously, CA can't be getting 25 injections per day, AND be getting zero. Also, the last text then makes sense:

and everything fits in context.

The whole idea of the exchange was that Vaughters was stressing how DIFFERENT Credit Agricole was from what Armstrong had tried to sell to everyone on USPS.


Yes, I know. That was exactly my point. You seem to have completely missed it.

I was pointing out that the same people who are saying that Thor is lying and there was doping at CA are probably the same people that bring up this exchange to point to doping at USP.

In other words, the sort of people who make up their minds (i.e everyone's doping) and then pick and choose their evidence to suit.
 
Mambo95 said:
Yes, I know. That was exactly my point. You seem to have completely missed it.

I was pointing out that the same people who are saying that Thor is lying and there was doping at CA are probably the same people that bring up this exchange to point to doping at USP.

In other words, the sort of people who make up their minds (i.e everyone's doping) and then pick and choose their evidence to suit.

I understood your point. I was simply providing some clarity to those who consistently misinterpret the nature and content of the exchange.

I have edited my original post to add some clarity.
 
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Thor's results are consistent with a clean rider. He wins at events where dopers would not substantially change the outcome, especially in what appears to be less doped fields.

Yeah, doping surely would not help at a long, hard race of attrition like a Roubaix-like Tour stage...or the Worlds. :rolleyes:

Jeebus, people are gullible.
 
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BroDeal said:
Yeah, doping surely would not help at a long, hard race of attrition like Roubaix...or the Worlds. :rolleyes:

Jeebus, people are gullible.

And Viagra helps you get a hard-on, but plenty of people get by fine without it.
 
Mambo95 said:
Many of you like to refer to the famous IM exchange between Vaughters and Andreu to prove that there was doping at US Postal - quite rightly.

But there was also this bit:




I suppose to some of you, all of the exchange was true, except this section which is all lies.

So wait a minute Mambo: you're using an example of two ex-pros talking about drugs to show that Thor is clean? Yes Vaughters is saying that CA did not have a team doping program at the time Jonathan rode for them. But that's a very far cry from a top rider saying that he's "never seen doping" in the sport.

Furthermore, one man's assertion that CA did not have a team program 10 years ago says exactly zero about Thor being clean today.

I honestly cannot believe how absolutely gullible some of you people remain despite all the constant doping news that comes out regarding doping in cycling over the years. Have you ever heard the term "willfull ignorance" Mambo?
 
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