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Hmm ... MLB? Now you are just making yourself sound silly. You forgot to mention other american favourites such as the NFL and NBA. Who dominates in these sports? Or are you waiting for 'the great white hope' as well? :eek:

I guess the scientific literature is a little too advanced for you to understand. Apologies. Just look at the fact that every running distance from the mile up to the marathon has been set by an individual deriving from an african nation.

100 metres - 9.58 - Usain Bolt (Jamaica), west African decent
200 metres - 19.19 - Usain Bolt (Jamaica), west African decent
400 metres - 43.18 - Michael Johnson (USA), west African decent
800 metres - 1:41.01 - David Rudisha (Kenya), east Africa
1000 metres - 2:11.96 - Noah Ngeny (Kenya), east Africa
1500 metres - 3:26.0 - Hicham El Guerrouj (Morocco), north Africa
Mile - 3:43.13 - Hicham El Guerrouj (Morocco), north Africa
2000 metres - 4:44.79 - Hicham El Guerrouj (Morocco), north Africa
3000 m - 7:20.67 - Daniel Komen (Kenya), east Africa
5000 metres - 12:37.35 - Kenenisa Bekele (Ethiopia), east Africa
10,000 metres - 26:17.53 - Kenenisa Bekele (Ethiopia), east Africa
10 km (road) - 26:44 - Leonard Komon (Kenya), east Africa
Half marathon - 58:23 Zersenay Tadese (Eritrea), north Africa
Marathon - 2:03.59 - Haile Gebrselassie (Ethiopia) east Africa

Enough proof of genetic superiority? Or is it just that caucasians are lazy and thus don't like to train? :eek:

Thanks, you have only just proved that your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of physiology.

I made no mention of the 100 meters or athletes of west African descent. If you knew anything about Africa you would know how increasing genetically diverse it is, far more then Europe. A West African has as much in common with an East African as an Irish person has with a Chinese person.

You mention the NBA. You do realize the 3 of the past 5 NBA MVP have been skinny white guys right? What is in the genetic make up of the former Yugoslavia that has so many of them on NBA and Euro league teams? I assume it is something in the water that has them winning 5 of the last 10 World Championships.

What is next, it must be the Frites and mayo that makes people from Belgium win so many bike races?
 

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Hmm ... MLB? Now you are just making yourself sound silly. You forgot to mention other american favourites such as the NFL and NBA. Who dominates in these sports? Or are you waiting for 'the great white hope' as well? :eek:

http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=4280320&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

A recent study says that the percentage of black players in the Major Leagues increased last year for the first time since the 1995 season.


In 2008, black players in MLB increased to 10.2 percent after reaching a low of 8.2 percent the previous season, according to a report by The Associated Press. The study was done by Richard Lapchick, director of the University of Central Florida's Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports.
 
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something about feeding trolls...

guilty :eek:

To your other question earlier about norsemen, I´d say that actually means "northerner" or Scandinavian...so it would apply to many more countries than just Norway.

I tend to agree with most points that interview could be out of context and therefore a true non-story. As someone has already mentioned, what did we expect him to say?
 
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http://mlb.mlb.com/news/article.jsp?ymd=20090415&content_id=4280320&vkey=news_mlb&fext=.jsp&c_id=mlb

A recent study says that the percentage of black players in the Major Leagues increased last year for the first time since the 1995 season.


In 2008, black players in MLB increased to 10.2 percent after reaching a low of 8.2 percent the previous season, according to a report by The Associated Press. The study was done by Richard Lapchick, director of the University of Central Florida's Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports.

So ... the only point you are making is that the percentage of caucasian players is on the decline?
 
I'm confused, are you all talking about the year Thor won Boston or the year he played for the Portland Sea Dogs? I'm pretty sure its not the time he fought Klitschko, man did he get his *** kicked. Glass jaw I tell ya.
 

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guilty :eek:

To your other question earlier about norsemen, I´d say that actually means "northerner" or Scandinavian...so it would apply to many more countries than just Norway.

I tend to agree with most points that interview could be out of context and therefore a true non-story. As someone has already mentioned, what did we expect him to say?

Nonsense. When he goes out of his way to badmouth Landis but is being photographed with Armstrong? Give me a break. Why would Thor buy into this crap that a former mediocrity such as LA is a 7 time TdF champ and the he, Thor, should take the crumbs? A fierce competitor is going to accept his fate as GC pack fodder to an obvious fraud? C'mon, there's one explanation to that.

There is NO one in Pro cycling who is not aware of the way business is conducted. Otherwise, how could they even hear the name Lance Armstrong without blowing up?
 
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The 'd-word'? Please elaborate.

Uhm ... what makes you think that all Kenyans are 50-kg? :p Btw ... Pietro Piller Cottrer of Italy (XC skier) is only 72 kg (159 lbs), identical to that of David Rudisha of Kenya (runner).

Also ... if you were to refer to my earlier posts you will note that the debate over VO2 max is mute, as those athletes from African nations can and do possess high VO2 thresholds.

Alright then ... next topic. Please and thank you. :eek:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Solinsky

VO2-max is THE determining factor in XC-skiing (+technique) with a record of 96 set by Björn Dählie.

You do know that PPC is rather short? You do know that the best XC-skiers are normally worse runners than the rest of the XC-skiers?
Why? They have physiology for skiing and not for running and survive on VO2-capacity rather than a good running mode.
You do know that skiers are normally heavier than European runners?

What do you know about skiing? Really?
 
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Genetic superiority?

Their superiority also comes out of an ampule. Doesn't Jos Hermens manage a couple of them? Didn't Bekele's fiance drop dead all of a sudden for no apparent reason?

How do you explain, Jim Ryan, Seb Coe, Steve Scott, Frank Shorter, Bill Rodgers? Waitz, Samuelson, Kristiansen?

All all stars of yesterday. All records have been obliterated. ;)
 

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So ... the only point you are making is that the percentage of caucasian players is on the decline?

The point I'm making is that blacks are not participating in MLB in very high numbers and after years of DECLINE that trend has been reversed.

You were trying to make some point about them dominating major American sports. Blacks definitely don't dominate MLB. And that's not a mute;)/moot point either.
 

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All all stars of yesterday. All records have been obliterated. ;)

Seb Coe's 800 meter best is still very close to the WR. EPO/blood doping is prevalent is T&F at this point. Look at the way the Track 10,000 and 5,000 record's fell precipitously at the height of the EPO era. Look at HG and who his manager is. Wake up.
 

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Monopoly said:
All all stars of yesterday. All records have been obliterated. ;)

What did Samuelson run 2:21, 2:22 and 2:23. Who has beaten those without dope? But blacks are genetically superior to whites. Never mind that, as has been pointed out to you, there are huge differences between Nigerians, and Ethiopians.
 

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Didn't you guys get my last post? It was a veiled attempt to ensure that you guys go back on-topic, or at least back to cycling. If not I'll close this thread
 
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Thanks, you have only just proved that your knowledge of geography is as poor as your knowledge of physiology.

I made no mention of the 100 meters or athletes of west African descent. If you knew anything about Africa you would know how increasing genetically diverse it is, far more then Europe. A West African has as much in common with an East African as an Irish person has with a Chinese person.

You mention the NBA. You do realize the 3 of the past 5 NBA MVP have been skinny white guys right? What is in the genetic make up of the former Yugoslavia that has so many of them on NBA and Euro league teams? I assume it is something in the water that has them winning 5 of the last 10 World Championships.

What is next, it must be the Frites and mayo that makes people from Belgium win so many bike races?

Nice grammar. Increasing? Boy Darwin was wrong in estimating the length of time it takes for a species to evolve. Although ... I guess the athletes would evolve quite quickly if you handed them a pair of skis or a bicycle.

Yes athletes of the African nations are genetically diverse thus just making them superior in many different components related to physiology when compared to that of caucasians.

Oh ... and sorry friend but you are wrong on you NBA stats.

Former NBA MVP:
2009-10 LeBron James
2008-09 LeBron James
2007-08 Kobe Bryant
2006-07 Dirk Nowitzki
2005-06 Steve Nash
2004-05 Steve Nash
2003-04 Kevin Garnett
2002-03 Tim Duncan San
2001-02 Tim Duncan San
2000-01 Allen Iverson
1999-00 Shaquille O'Neal
1998-99 Karl Malone Utah
1997-98 Michael Jordan
1996-97 Karl Malone
1995-96 Michael Jordan
1994-95 David Robinson
1993-94 Hakeem Olajuwon
1992-93 Charles Barkley
1991-92 Michael Jordan
1990-91 Michael Jordan

Steve Nash is merely an anomaly. Although he is a Canuck. ;)
 

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Didn't you guys get my last post? It was a veiled attempt to ensure that you guys gop back on-topic, or at least back to cycling. If not I'll close this thread

Thanks, Thor does what he has to do to get by and he also knows what goes on. How on earth could he not?
 
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Nonsense. When he goes out of his way to badmouth Landis but is being photographed with Armstrong? Give me a break. Why would Thor buy into this crap that a former mediocrity such as LA is a 7 time TdF champ and the he, Thor, should take the crumbs? A fierce competitor is going to accept his fate as GC pack fodder to an obvious fraud? C'mon, there's one explanation to that.

There is NO one in Pro cycling who is not aware of the way business is conducted. Otherwise, how could they even hear the name Lance Armstrong without blowing up?

I don´t disagree with your premise, so to speak. I agree that there is likely knowledge there, perhaps even witnessed but I also think it plausible that he´s never seen it.

And while I am a fan of Thor I did not particularly appreciate his comments with regards to Landis in Geelong either. And someone also mentioned that the bad blood goes back a ways between them...could be a cause.

But to my statement (and others), what did we expect him to say to the media? honestly? Regardless of whether or not he has the knowledge, and/or is complicit in it...what do you honestly expect him to have said to the media other than what he did say?
 

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I don´t disagree with your premise, so to speak. I agree that there is likely knowledge there, perhaps even witnessed but I also think it plausible that he´s never seen it.

And while I am a fan of Thor I did not particularly appreciate his comments with regards to Landis in Geelong either. And someone also mentioned that the bad blood goes back a ways between them...could be a cause.

But to my statement (and others), what did we expect him to say to the media? honestly? Regardless of whether or not he has the knowledge, and/or is complicit in it...what do you honestly expect him to have said to the media other than what he did say?

I expect him to say the truth or no comment.
 
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Didn't you guys get my last post? It was a veiled attempt to ensure that you guys gop back on-topic, or at least back to cycling. If not I'll close this thread

Please don´t. I recognized my digression and stopped. This thread holds interest for me on many levels. I will behave :D
 
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The point I'm making is that blacks are not participating in MLB in very high numbers and after years of DECLINE that trend has been reversed.

You were trying to make some point about them dominating major American sports. Blacks definitely don't dominate MLB. And that's not a mute;)/moot point either.

Your stats were stating percentage increases, not the stats of the percentage of the total population that is made up of players of African descent.
 
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I expect him to say the truth or no comment.

Ok sure...but he can´t and you know that. Especially not now. The world champ has to talk to the press.

A "no comment" would send the media into frenzy would it not?
 

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Your stats were stating percentage increases, not the stats of the percentage of the total population that is made up of players of African descent.

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Didn't you guys get my last post? It was a veiled attempt to ensure that you guys gop back on-topic, or at least back to cycling. If not I'll close this thread

You win.:)
 
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Didn't you guys get my last post? It was a veiled attempt to ensure that you guys gop back on-topic, or at least back to cycling. If not I'll close this thread

I will not digress any further. Apologies.

Thor is a doper. His doping regime is just as sophisticated as those that compete in the GT's. It is further complicated by the fact that most illegal substances utilized by sprinters (albeit in cycling or athletics) are more easily detectable via testing procedures if the doping program is not properly implemented.
 
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Your stats were stating percentage increases, not the stats of the percentage of the total population that is made up of players of African descent.

No, the stats do NOT represent percentage increases:

In 2008, black players in MLB increased to 10.2 percent (of the total population) after reaching a low of 8.2 percent (of the total population) the previous season, according to a report by The Associated Press. The study was done by Richard Lapchick, director of the University of Central Florida's Institute for Diversity and Ethics in Sports.

I added some parenthetical clarification, and here is a link to "parenthetical" in case you don't have a dictionary handy or they skipped that in "grad school":

Parenthetical
 
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chris_Solinsky

VO2-max is THE determining factor in XC-skiing (+technique) with a record of 96 set by Björn Dählie.

You do know that PPC is rather short? You do know that the best XC-skiers are normally worse runners than the rest of the XC-skiers?
Why? They have physiology for skiing and not for running and survive on VO2-capacity rather than a good running mode.
You do know that skiers are normally heavier than European runners?

What do you know about skiing? Really?

Earlier in this thread, I claimed that Northug loses 30s on Johan Kjolstad in 3km running, but this was incorrect. He actually loses closer to a full minute. But put em on a pair of skis and he is both the superior sprinter and a far superior long-distance skier.

We can look at women's biathlon as well. The two best skiers in that sport, Neuner and Olofsson-Zidek aren't even the best runners on their respective teams.
 

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Ok sure...but he can´t and you know that. Especially not now. The world champ has to talk to the press.

A "no comment" would send the media into frenzy would it not?

I suppose. Taken alone the interview is not much. To me, he's either a real dumb guy or a fraud, and I think fraud is more likely. His offering on FL is kind of offensive. Why wouldn't he say something along the lines, that 'if Floyd is for cleaning up the sport, I'm all for that?'

I know I'd have a visceral reaction to having my picture taken with Armstrong, especially if I were in his shoes and was really clean, knowing Armstrong is 80% of what I am.:mad:
 
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No, the stats do NOT represent percentage increases:



I added some parenthetical clarification, and here is a link to "parenthetical" in case you don't have a dictionary handy or they skipped that in "grad school":

Parenthetical

I stand corrected. However, it's merely a reflection of the long-standing documented trend that African American youths are gravitating toward basketball and football more than baseball. Thus, the superior athletes are merely moving onto other sports. Watch out cycling world!

More importantly however, is the fact that you fail to honour Mr. Barrus's request. Time to move on!!! ;)
 
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