Tim Kerrison

[the big ring]

hate to be pedantic but we have a wiggins / cadence thread. first 80 posts there already cover this.

 

[the big ring]

From what I've been reading here, I don't think you could say Kerrison, or Sky, "revolutionized" cycle training. They fine-tuned it, not revolutionized.

I would agree - from what we have read, it does not revolutionise. So what did I use that word?

Does Brad Wiggins have any experience at all with training for bicycle-based races?

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...m-Kerrison-with-revolutionising-training.html

Tour de France 2012: Bradley Wiggins credits sports scientist Tim Kerrison with revolutionising training
...
It took a lot of trust at the start for me to trust Tim's training methods, because he'd never worked in cycling.

"I'd go as far to say he's revolutionised training in cycling."

This essentially describes reverse periodisation, something we know Kerrison did with some swimmers, so no, not revolutionising. But the claim stands:

Wiggins's training programme began on 1 November but he did not merely begin riding his bike and bring in intensity later: he rode at intensities he would normally have hit in the racing season, which is anathema to most cyclists, who have always built up in a more measured way. "Tim took the swimming approach where they train the top end constantly throughout the year. He has totally revolutionised the way we train." This meant Wiggins hit the season running and was able to deal with higher training workloads later in the programme as the Tour drew nearer. That approach involved a huge amount of sacrifice for Wiggins and his family, requiring warm weather training camps at regular intervals in Mallorca and Tenerife.

It has to be a revolution, to help explain Brad's remarkable turn around in on-road performances.

Unlike the whole, "slow my cadence in a bigger gear something about the rolling resistance and going further on the same power" (paraphrased) quip, this is purely one very experienced cyclist's appraisal of the training he is doing now, thanks to his new trainer.

 

[The Hitch]

EBH is a class act, always has been

Translation - he rides for sky and always has (since i started watching cycling anyway).

 

[the big ring]

The Aussie swimmers he worked with were the ones tha came from Queensland. He worked for the Queensland Academy of Sport, not AIS. Most notably he worked with Jodie Henry and Leisel Jones and a little bit with Grant Hackett. He had next to nothing to do with Thorpe, who is from Sydney.

He was also at Sky from day one. They hired him in 2009 - he was about to go to England Cricket - not in late 2010 as you suggest.

If Sky have a doping program - and I don't think they do - it won't be run by Kerrison or Leinders, it will be run by someone you have never heard of.

Hi Parker. For a third post, that is solid gold info - thank you. As you can probably tell I have been doing my best to look into this guy, to little avail.

Is this information public knowledge? Or do you have some sort of "in" to the comings and goings? If it is public, could I trouble you for a link to the info(s) to read up myself?



My info comes from interviews, like this one with Kerrison himself: http://www.cyclesportmag.com/features/tim-kerrison-the-man-behind-bradley-wiggins’-tour/

Prior to joining Sky in early 2010, Kerrison worked for British Swimming from late 2004 to 2008, and, before that, with the Australian sprint swimming team, including Jodie Henry, a triple gold medallist at the Athens Olympics. Before that he worked with rowers; and he was previously a rower himself. He does point out that he “was one of those who didn’t achieve my goals as an athlete, for whatever reason.”

I did not make mention of it at the time (people roll their eyes at my conspiracy theories) but I was curious what he did for 2009... Turns out he may have been with Sky all along!



So Kerrison joined sky (according to the magazine interview) in early 2010, but only started training Wiggins late 2010:

Kerrison, the sports scientist who has been in charge of Wiggins’ training and conditioning since late 2010, is convinced that he can, because it is what he has been preparing him for all year.

This was the other interview (this one with Brad) that made me think it was late 2010 he joined:http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...m-Kerrison-with-revolutionising-training.html

"Since that 2010 disappointment in the Tour, from that moment on, we started working together.

"Shane brought Tim in and said 'I want all the numbers and what's the requirement to win the Tour de France'

ie after the 2010 Tour, Shane Sutton brought Tim in (to the team) and said, "get to work". If he was already in the team from 2009, what was he doing?

Hope you can help clear up my confusion!

 

[thehog]

Translation - he rides for sky and always has (since i started watching cycling anyway).

Brilliant!

 

[blackcat]

Kerrison was at OZ swimming when they were a powerhouse in international swimming. There were plenty of scandals however. Re Thorpe, a good friend, who was 6"7 and we called "Dolph" for his likeness to Dolph Lundgren raced Thorpe. He was in the lane next to him. The gun goes off, they dive in and he comes up and he's already 2 meters behind. You can't dope that. Not saying he didn't dope, but he was a phenom. Hackett, is another mater. Interesting how BAD Ozzy swimming is now. I don't have any gossip on Kerrison specifically but Thropes coach Gennadi Touretsk is as dirty as they come.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/olympics/swimming/3002998/Swimming-Coach-charged-with-possession-of-steroids.html

Thorpe may well have been a phenom. A natural phenom. But it is a false dichotomy to say phenom = natural performance, unaided by PEDs. 16yos will get dope from their counsel/mentor/coach/parents/pushers/circle. Was not Thorpe under an avuncular older coach, a teach your kids to swim/swim school coach. I dont buy it that he was fostered that young in a regime, under a person such as that. But Geneviève Jeanson proves, that when you get into the wrong relationship with those overseeing your training, teenagers can be doped before they reach a mental maturity. But I dont think Thorpe is in this clique. He would have risen to the top in any contest in the pool above 100 metres imo.

 

[thehog]

Thorpe may well have been a phenom. A natural phenom. But it is a false dichotomy to say phenom = natural performance, unaided by PEDs. 16yos will get dope from their counsel/mentor/coach/parents/pushers/circle. Was not Thorpe under an avuncular older coach, a teach your kids to swim/swim school coach. I dont buy it that he was fostered that young in a regime, under a person such as that. But Geneviève Jeanson proves, that when you get into the wrong relationship with those overseeing your training, teenagers can be doped before they reach a mental maturity. But I dont think Thorpe is in this clique. He would have risen to the top in any contest in the pool above 100 metres imo.

Thorpe tested positive for testosterone. Bonza mate Aussie Fed thought he was a good bloke so they cleared him mate.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/amateur/story/2007/03/30/doping-report-lequipe.html

 

[the big ring]

Kerrison is noted as an "expert at altitude training". I have looked for any studies with his name attached but cannot find any.

Does anyone know if he has done a PhD?

 

[sittingbison]

Krebs might know. He has a PhD, and they were both involved in lightweight rowing

 

[blackcat]

Thorpe tested positive for testosterone. Bonza mate Aussie Fed thought he was a good bloke so they cleared him mate.

http://www.cbc.ca/sports/amateur/story/2007/03/30/doping-report-lequipe.html

think it was luetenizing hormone. But whatev's. I think he did indulge from Sydney 2000 like GB 2012.

My point was, under his original coach, Doug Frost, I dont see them sticking a needle in his ****.

 

[blackcat]

swimming has always been a bit strange to me. There are "stables" of swimmers who belong to a specific coach, often since childhood. They use certain pools. These coaches are often father figures.

yep. And they mine the medals from those squads.

 

[the big ring]

Ok.

I tried a different search engine, and located some articles. 6 to be exact.

They were all journal articles, published in a magazine called "Masters athlete" which looks like it was a magazine printed for er yeah master's athletes.

Heart rate monitoring in masters rowers
Kerrison, T.
1 June 1995 8 Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.)

Biomechanics of rowing - part 2
Kerrison, T.
Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.) 16 Dec 1997 6; 10

Seasonal planning - preparing for the FISA masters
Kerrison, T.
Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.) 13 Jun 1997 6; 12

Ten tapering tips for veteran rowers
Kerrison, T.
Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.) 11 Feb 1997 7; 10

Training for 1000m
Kerrison, T.
Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.) 12 Apr 1997 9; 12

Warming up - the scientific way
Kerrison, T.
Masters athlete (Brisbane, Aust.) 21 Oct 1998 6

They are all hard-copy, so I can't access them electronically, but it's obvious what they are about and their intended audience.

Clearly there's some missing, like "Biomechanics of rowing - part 1".

When I went looking for "Masters athlete" info I came up with geezerjock.com, but there's quite possibly more than one "Masters athlete" magazine in print.

 

[the big ring]

Kerrison is noted as an "expert at altitude training". I have looked for any studies with his name attached but cannot find any.

Does anyone know if he has done a PhD?

Krebs might know. He has a PhD, and they were both involved in lightweight rowing

No, he doesn't have a PhD. This is from a conference in 2011 that I posted earlier:

(PDF): http://israelirowingfederation.files.wordpress.com/2011/02/fisa-2011-scott-gardner2.pdf

Using performance based models to focus training;
Practical examples from Cycling and Swimming
Scott Gardner Ph.D.

Looks like Kerrison was at a conference with Krebs Cycles best mate:

• Dr David T. Martin
• Dr Matthew Parker
• Tim Kerrison

Not, "Dr Tim Kerrison".

 

[the big ring]

Get ready to roll your eyes at another conspiracy theory. This book is copyright 2012.


http://books.google.com.au/books?id=qnTDBoAxF_UC&printsec=frontcover#v=onepage&q&f=false

Former sport scientist?

 

[Parker]

Hi Parker. For a third post, that is solid gold info - thank you. As you can probably tell I have been doing my best to look into this guy, to little avail.

Is this information public knowledge? Or do you have some sort of "in" to the comings and goings? If it is public, could I trouble you for a link to the info(s) to read up myself?

There was a big article about Kerrison in the last issue of Pro Cycling magazine - so no link I'm afraid - perhaps it will get reprinted on Cycling News in time. And I personally have no 'in'.

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Alright, so Sky gets a guy who specialized in sports run over hundreds of metres, and immediately acheive 'revolutionary' results in a sport that runs over thousands of kilometres (GTs)?

This leads me to two possible conclusions:

a/: Kerrison is a beard for something a little more nefarious than merely modified training programs...

or

b/: Every physiologist and coach in cycling for the last forty years is f*cking ***...

 

[Franklin]

If Sky have a doping program - and I don't think they do - it won't be run by Kerrison or Leinders, it will be run by someone you have never heard of.

Indeed, they hired Geert "Chamoiscream" Leinders for his treatment of saddle sores and his extensive knowledge of (people actually not being in) Mexico.

I mean, Leinders, part of the management team of Rabo, awarded Carte blance to get a GT winner, involved in sport fraud (that was the statement of the judge in the Rabo vs. MR case).. a guy like that could never be running a dope scheme.

He looks like duck, quacks like a duck, so he most likely is hired to treat saddle sores

 

[blackcat]

Australian swimming has always been a bit strange to me. There are "stables" of swimmers who belong to a specific coach, often since childhood. They use certain pools. These coaches are often father figures.

It seems like Kerrison was never part of this set up. So that to me seems to increase the likelihood of the "Carmichael" phenomenon.

What specifically could Kerrison point to (his palmares lol) when going for the job at Sky? Or as appears more likely, what could Brailesford have seen that led him to headhunt Kerrison?

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national-old/libby-and-leisel/story-e6freooo-1111112626593

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Libby and Leisel by: Rebecca Williams and Jim Wilson From: The Courier-Mail December 03, 2006 11:00PM Increase Text SizeDecrease Text SizePrintEmail Share
Add to DiggAdd to del.icio.usAdd to FacebookAdd to KwoffAdd to MyspaceAdd to NewsvineWhat are these? 0 SUPERBLY fit ... Libby Lenton limbers up before the womens 100m butterfly semi. Picture: Michael Dodge Source: The Courier-Mail
POWERING through the water ... Libby Lenton in yesterday's 100m butterfly heat. Picture: Michael Dodge Source: The Courier-Mail

STRONG starter ... Libby Lenton leaves the blocks during the 100m butterfly heat at Chandler yesterday. Picture: Michael Dodge Source: The Courier-Mail

DIFFERENCES ... a toned Libby Lenton, left, and the suspect Chinese swimmer Le Jingyi at the 1994 World Championships in Rome. She was banned for a period shortly afterwards from competitive swimming when she tested positive to anabolic steroids. Source: The Courier-Mail

STRONG physique . . . Libby Lenton smiles after her 100m Butterfly heat. Source: The Courier-Mail

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LIBBY Lenton and Leisel Jones's coach says he can look his swimmers in the eye and know they have nothing to hide after their physiques were compared to the drug-tainted East Germans and Chinese.
Stephan Widmer yesterday dismissed veiled accusations about his swimmers after attention was drawn to their physical appearance ahead of the world championship trials.

Lenton and Jones, who train together at the Valley Pool in Brisbane, won nine gold medals between them at the Commonwealth Games.

But Widmer said their results should not equal suspicion.

"I know one thing, we can look each other in the eye and know that we have nothing to hide and nothing to worry about," Widmer said.

I think the Bruyneel brain-hypnotism control meme is a big winner eh

Australian swimming = dirty like US Postal

 

[sittingbison]

ahhh the old Phil Liggett "I looked him in the eye" dope test, also employed by Bill Strickland the journo in Lances camp who changed his mind recently:

"Did you dope?" He looked me in the eye and told me he was looking me in the eye and telling me he never had.

 

[BroDeal]

Back view of Hulk Hogan and Randy "Machoman" Savage.

 

[Galic Ho]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/national-old/libby-and-leisel/story-e6freooo-1111112626593



I think the Bruyneel brain-hypnotism control meme is a big winner eh

Australian swimming = dirty like US Postal

Libby Trickett's shoulders always freaked me out. Her latissimus dorsi muscles are abnormally large. Even for a female siwmmer. So are Leisel Jones. Like the 80s were in male body building. It was all about the back. I've been around a lot of female gym enthusiasts (figure and bikini model competitors who take their fitness to uber obsessive levels), seen a lot of them, they don't have backs like that. And don't get me started on the arms. They'd put Sam Stosur to shame. And she has a nice set of guns...for a man.

I do find it interesting that when Kerrison leaves Australia, around 2006, guess who retires? Thorpe and Henry. I really liked watching them swim. They were great in the pool. Good temperaments to. Particularly compared to the darlings of the pool today. Today's crop, the glamour ones, think they're King ***. And are treated like they are. Note Thorpe and Trickett were mere shadows of their former selves on their returns. Not even close to how good they once were. Plus that is considering their prime was before the 2008 super floating buoyancy Speedo suits. IMO, FINA needed to get harsh on drug taking in 2008, strip EVERY world record and set a clean slate, so clean athletes could compete. But no, the records remain. How to beat them then? Yeah, dope. Like the Chinese girl in the 400IM. She beat Rice's WR by over a second and minus the super suit. Yeah, definitely juicing.

 

[sittingbison]

...Like the Chinese girl in the 400IM. She beat Rice's WR by over a second and minus the super suit. Yeah, definitely juicing.

garlic ho, you are forgetting she had hands like buckets

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/swim...-question-chinese-success-20120731-23b6j.html

"Her teacher noticed she had hands like buckets and she was soon using them to paddle up and down the pool"

 

[Benotti69]

garlic ho, you are forgetting she had hands like buckets

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/swim...-question-chinese-success-20120731-23b6j.html

big hands, the new high cadence!

 

[Galic Ho]

garlic ho, you are forgetting she had hands like buckets

http://www.smh.com.au/olympics/swim...-question-chinese-success-20120731-23b6j.html

You now what they say about 'big hands' don't you? Same thing they say about big feet. Wait, that's with the men.

Actually come to think of it...didn't she swim faster than the Gold Medal male winner in the final 100M of the same event, the 400IM... I know what is said about 'women' with 'big hands.' Something might not be right...someone should check under the hood, just to be certain.

 

[the big ring]

big hands, the new high cadence!

From memory, a slower swim stroke was indicative of a more efficient stroke, yes