Tirreno - Adriatico 2016 09/03/16 - 15/03/16 2.UWT

[Alexandre B.]

So much snow here! https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jzcA_Th2N6k&feature=youtu.be

Showed it was dumb to cancel the race the day before, because expected forecasts are not reality.

So :
-Bad race design to begin with, because it was the only true opportunity for GC guys to battle for, eh, GC.
-You ruin all the dedication of these GC riders because of snow, while there was actually no snow on the road.
-You ruin all the essence of cycling because there is no proof that riders safety was that endangered.
-Even worse, the race will be mainly decided by a team effort.

Well, it's a great success!

 

[RedheadDane]

What I don't get is this:
Was it really so horrible to miss one race-day? There will be many more races, this stage getting cancelled probably won't matter much in the long run.
Sure, it sucked for Nibali since he lost a pretty big change for winning the race, but it's not like not winning the 2016 Tirreno-Adritico will makes his palmares look like nothing.

 

[Eshnar]

Re:

What I don't get is this:
Was it really so horrible to miss one race-day? There will be many more races, this stage getting cancelled probably won't matter much in the long run.
Sure, it sucked for Nibali since he lost a pretty big change for winning the race, but it's not like not winning the 2016 Tirreno-Adritico will makes his palmares look like nothing.

It is horrible for the race. Which is what the organizers should care about, since it's their job.

 

[SafeBet]

Eshnar I read somewhere that Slongo thinks they used the snow excuse because they had no idea on how to bring all trucks and structures up to the finish line. What do you think?

 

[Eshnar]

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Eshnar I read somewhere that Slongo thinks they used the snow excuse because they had no idea on how to bring all trucks and structures up to the finish line. What do you think?

Well, if you go a few pages back, I already said that I'm sure the weather was just an excuse. I thought that maybe it was because of bad tarmac. But from the pics it looks good. Slongo's idea is a possibility. Just like many others.
What I'm sure of, is that the weather was not the real reason.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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So is there anyway to unite against this blasphemy? This decision was ridiculous.... just never make these decisions the day before the stage.

This decision must be flamed really hard so that it will never happen again.

I don't think Vegni gives a damn about some random dudes on a forum flaming his decision really hard.

As long as the sponsors keep the cash flowing, that's all RCS cares about.

 

[veji11]

Re:

What I don't get is this:
Was it really so horrible to miss one race-day? There will be many more races, this stage getting cancelled probably won't matter much in the long run.
Sure, it sucked for Nibali since he lost a pretty big change for winning the race, but it's not like not winning the 2016 Tirreno-Adritico will makes his palmares look like nothing.

A stage cancellation would be just bad luck and accepted as such by the riders if it was warranted because of actual snow. It has happened before that a CG of a WT race was completely determined by weather, see Cataluny a few years back when Albasini won because the 2 big mountain stages were cut short.

It happens and players accept it.

This situation is really different. What is horrible isn't that a stage gest cancelled, but that it gets cancelled precociously with no factual base for it ! This is the big problem !

 

[hrotha]

Yeah, the real problem is that this is a very dangerous precedent.

 

[Kwibus]

Re: Re:

So is there anyway to unite against this blasphemy? This decision was ridiculous.... just never make these decisions the day before the stage.

This decision must be flamed really hard so that it will never happen again.

I don't think Vegni gives a damn about some random dudes on a forum flaming his decision really hard.

As long as the sponsors keep the cash flowing, that's all RCS cares about.

If all the people that were pissed about this unite and make a voice it will matter. Not when some random dudes on CN.com forum whine about it, not when some random dudes on a dutch cycling website whine about and some on a belgian cycling forum etc.
I think there are a lot of people that think this was a big miss. If they make a united voice it becomes a deal.
It's not going to happen though

 

[Metabolol]

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They are trying to destroy the racing spirit of cycling and turn everyone into mindless robots. Both Nibali and Contador were robbed in their respective races. The globalist powers always hide behind political correctness.

I'm highly entertained that you posted this borderline fascist drivel twice.

You sound offended.

 

[CheckMyPecs]

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They are trying to destroy the racing spirit of cycling and turn everyone into mindless robots. Both Nibali and Contador were robbed in their respective races. The globalist powers always hide behind political correctness.

I'm highly entertained that you posted this borderline fascist drivel twice.

It looks like (a poor) attempt at humour.

 

[Maaaaaaaarten]

It's also weird to me that the media are only mentioning NIbali and Astana as opposing this decision. Why not mention that half the peloton was against the cancellation? If people aren't in the know, they might think Nibali is just a selfish guy who doesn't care about rider safety and who is jsut bitter about his losing his chance to win the race. Why doesn't the media point out clearly that there wasn't any snow and that lots of riders oppose this decision that was supposedly taken for their safety? Even TJVG apparently wanted to race, despite his team and arguably himself benefiting massively from it! (I was never much of a fan of TJ, but this reflects well on him imo)

 

[veji11]

Re:

Yeah, the real problem is that this is a very dangerous precedent.

And very luckily for us and cycling generally, it didn't snow and so it looked ridiculous. Had the snow been there on sunday, everybody would have said "see ? so much better to make a decision a day in advance, riders don't have to start in the sleet, no one gets a cold or a bad fall... ASO bad bad people, RCS good modern organiser !"

Let's just sigh with relief that this farce happened really.

 

[SafeBet]

Re: Re:

Well, if you go a few pages back, I already said that I'm sure the weather was just an excuse. I thought that maybe it was because of bad tarmac. But from the pics it looks good. Slongo's idea is a possibility. Just like many others.
What I'm sure of, is that the weather was not the real reason.

Yep, I read your previous post.
Just wanted to know what you thought of Slongo's take on this.

If all the people that were pissed about this unite and make a voice it will matter. Not when some random dudes on CN.com forum whine about it, not when some random dudes on a dutch cycling website whine about and some on a belgian cycling forum etc.
I think there are a lot of people that think this was a big miss. If they make a united voice it becomes a deal.
It's not going to happen though

Problem is the majority of cycling analysts are defending RCS choice, at least from what I can see on social media.

 

[liamito]

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

 

[May0maniac]

Re:

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

Sagan should go for them + bonus seconds at the finish and beat BMC and Etixx in the final ITT, that would be fun

 

[veji11]

Re: Re:

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

Sagan should go for them + bonus seconds at the finish and beat BMC and Etixx in the final ITT, that would be fun

It would be glorious !

 

[tomorrow]

Re: Re:

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

Sagan should go for them + bonus seconds at the finish and beat BMC and Etixx in the final ITT, that would be fun

It would be glorious !

Well, actually, sagan could win it even without the bonus seconds. If he does one of his better ITTs it might actually work. When he took it seriously, not like last year, he used to had good results there. And currently, the top tters are not in reach of sagan in 10km ITT. I might have overlooked somebody of course.
He should be able to do 14s on Stybar I think.

 

[Rollthedice]

Re: Re:

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

Sagan should go for them + bonus seconds at the finish and beat BMC and Etixx in the final ITT, that would be fun

Well, he shaved his legs on the snow scare cancel stage rest day. Finally he had the time so he should fly.

 

[Carols]

What a shame and a major muck up by the organizers . I feel for Nibali and all the GC riders who didn't get a chance to make the race. Hopefully a lesson has been learned, wait for the day, check the conditions and make a decision based on reality.

So we will most likely have a false winner, a fact that will be forgotten over time. And some guy will have a TA on his palmares and future generations will scratch their heads and say wow I never thought that guy could win a race like that!

Who will it be? Soon we will know .

 

[Taxus4a]

All my suport to Nibali and Pinot, this is not the sport I love. Security and caution are the first, but this has no sense.

Mininum an alternative route not bad for climbers.

 

[SafeBet]

Agnoli up the road means Nibali could try something today, even though it looks unlikely.

 

[liamito]

Re:

So we will most likely have a false winner, a fact that will be forgotten over time. And some guy will have a TA on his palmares and future generations will scratch their heads and say wow I never thought that guy could win a race like that!

Why? Tirreno was also a good show during the years guys like Freire could win the overall.

 

[Gloin22]

Re: Re:

So we will most likely have a false winner, a fact that will be forgotten over time. And some guy will have a TA on his palmares and future generations will scratch their heads and say wow I never thought that guy could win a race like that!

Why? Tirreno was also a good show during the years guys like Freire could win the overall.

How can you compare the two? Those editions were made for puncheurs and puncheurs targeted the GC. This race was not. The puncheur editions were much better imho as well, but that doesnt not change the fact this race results will be falsified.

 

[liamito]

Re: Re:

Back to todays stage, should Sagan go for the intermediate sprints?

Sagan should go for them + bonus seconds at the finish and beat BMC and Etixx in the final ITT, that would be fun

It would be glorious !

Well, actually, sagan could win it even without the bonus seconds. If he does one of his better ITTs it might actually work. When he took it seriously, not like last year, he used to had good results there. And currently, the top tters are not in reach of sagan in 10km ITT. I might have overlooked somebody of course.
He should be able to do 14s on Stybar I think.

Everybody should take todays stage as a one day race, so it would be stupid not to race for bonus seconds. I am also curious to see which team leaders are still protected although they have no chance in this race anymore. Chaves and Yates could easily work for Ewan today.